Resource Butanediol megathread

[Itstimeforpeace]

Yes. It seems this is my way. I was going to order N but it's so expensive.

 

[Itstimeforpeace]

@311

 

[Retched]

I wonder how mixing methods would work. SN + this stuff?

 

[311]

I wonder how mixing methods would work. SN + this stuff?

I wouldnt recommend it.

 

[Retched]

I wouldnt recommend it.

K, just wondering.

 

[TiredHorse]

From the threads @gingerplum sent me, 2oz/60ml will kill you just as dead as a post.

Even the recreational frequent fliers on Reddit --long term users with (presumably) established tolerances-- are reporting 10ml as a hefty dose, and they don't seem to be using alcohol as a potentiator. Mixing 14B with other drugs/alcohol makes the game a lot more dangerous, and these folks aren't into danger, they're into surviving their rush.

I'll let GingerPlum present her synopsis when she's ready. I don't want to give misinformation.

 

[Johnnythefox]

I've been watching this thread for some time and it seems like a good method!
Unfortunately it's another thing that's unavailable in the UK. Amazon did have it but now out of stock and unavailable, so maybe they had to pull it off the site.

 

[gingerplum]

I think 60ml should be the minimum tbh. The more the better and 2oz isnt alot to swallow.

Fair enough; better to err on the side of too much, and that should be enough to take down an elephant. Plus, you're right, 2 oz is only 1/4 cup. This is what 2 oz looks like:

 

[Stillnotsure]

Ok, here's what I found....

1mL of 99.0-99.9 % 1,4 butanediol is equal to 1 gram of GHB the recreational drug. This is helpful because we can compare the effects of the 1,4 Butaanedol to GHB. 1-2 grams of GHB is the standard dose users take for the euphoric and sedative effects. To overdose and cause death gets a bit trickier because of our individual bodies ability to break down the GHB. The same chemicals in our stomachs and blood (liver) that break down alcohol, also break down GHB.

The caveat! Many sites I found say it takes 5-10 grams of GHB to overdose, and any dose over 10 grams can be fatal. Since 1,4 butanediol has a few steps to take in the body to become GHB, it could take more than 5-10 mL to overdose or die!

The fix. Since 1,4 butanediol is broken down in the body by the same chemicals and enzymes that break down alcohol, mixing your 1,4 butanediol with alcohol has a drastically increased fatality rate because the body doesn't have enough chemicals and enzymes to break both down. In theory, you should need less 1,4 butanediol by pairing it with alcohol, but should stick to the highest purity rate available and at least 10 mL to be safe.

Now the mega downside. 1,4 butanediol is chemical and very bitter tasting. Those traits alone make a person nauseous and can cause vomiting. Real GHB tastes salty because it is a different chemical chain mixed with a salt chain. It's easier to drink real GHB. If you are going to use either to CTB you should mix it with alcohol. The best way to overcome the nausea and vomiting that are caused by GHB or 1,4 butanediol is by taking the full fatal dose of either quickly in one big swallow, not over time. That way you should fall asleep before your body has time to become nauseous.

To overcome the bodies natural response to the bitter chemical taste of 1,4 butanediol, you may have to consider the antiemetic regimen prescribed by A for Overdose on B.

 

[Moms_Spaghetti]

I wonder what it tastes like

I've used GHB before it was super fucking salty, but never tried 1,4 BDO. from what I've heard it can either range from tastless when mixed in a drink to bitter plastic and gasoline. I'm assuming quality has something to do with this too. If you can find a reagent grade of this stuff it would probably be better. I know that BDO will disolve some plastics so maybe storage can be an issue and why a plastic taste could be there. If this shit doesn't kill you though be prepared to wake up extremely fucking sick and in withdrawal.

 

[311]

Ok, here's what I found....

1mL of 99.0-99.9 % 1,4 butanediol is equal to 1 gram of GHB the recreational drug. This is helpful because we can compare the effects of the 1,4 Butaanedol to GHB. 1-2 grams of GHB is the standard dose users take for the euphoric and sedative effects. To overdose and cause death gets a bit trickier because of our individual bodies ability to break down the GHB. The same chemicals in our stomachs and blood (liver) that break down alcohol, also break down GHB.

I've caveat! Many sites I found say it takes 5-10 grams of GHB to overdose, and any dose over 10 grams can be fatal. Since 1,4 butanediol has a few steps to take in the body to become GHB, it could take more than 5-10 mL to overdose or die!

The fix. Since 1,4 butanediol is broken down in the body by the same chemicals and enzymes that break down alcohol, mixing your 1,4 butanediol with alcohol has a drastically increased fatality rate. In theory, you should need less 1,4 butanediol by pairing it with alcohol, but should stick to the highest purity rate available and at least 10 mL to be safe.

Now the mega downside. 1,4 butanediol is chemical and very bitter tasting. Those traits alone make a person nauseous and can cause vomiting. Real GHB tastes salty because it is a different chemical chain mixed with a salt chain. It's easier to drink real GHB. If you are going to use either to CTB you should mix it with alcohol. The best way to overcome the nausea and vomiting that are caused by GHB or 1,4 butanediol is by taking the full fatal dose of ei5er quickly in one big swallow, not over time. That way you should fall asleep before your body has time to become nauseous.

To overcome the bodies natural response to the bitter chemical taste of 1,4 butanediol, you may have to consider the antiemetic regimented prescribed by A for Overdose on B.

2oz is like 60 grams then which is overkill and that's like one shot which isnt tough.

 

[Stillnotsure]

I'm an experienced nurse and I couldn't figure this shit out. Are you medical? A chemical engineer? A suicidal Mensa member??

Haha just a critical care medic.... spent my whole life trying to save people's lives and can't successfully end my own......

 

[311]

https://juniperpublishers.com/jfsci/pdf/JFSCI.MS.ID.555786.pdf

Good read on the subject. Apparently if you dont like the taste you can put it up your ass.

 

[Moms_Spaghetti]

Ok, here's what I found....

1mL of 99.0-99.9 % 1,4 butanediol is equal to 1 gram of GHB the recreational drug. This is helpful because we can compare the effects of the 1,4 Butaanedol to GHB. 1-2 grams of GHB is the standard dose users take for the euphoric and sedative effects. To overdose and cause death gets a bit trickier because of our individual bodies ability to break down the GHB. The same chemicals in our stomachs and blood (liver) that break down alcohol, also break down GHB.

The caveat! Many sites I found say it takes 5-10 grams of GHB to overdose, and any dose over 10 grams can be fatal. Since 1,4 butanediol has a few steps to take in the body to become GHB, it could take more than 5-10 mL to overdose or die!

The fix. Since 1,4 butanediol is broken down in the body by the same chemicals and enzymes that break down alcohol, mixing your 1,4 butanediol with alcohol has a drastically increased fatality rate. In theory, you should need less 1,4 butanediol by pairing it with alcohol, but should stick to the highest purity rate available and at least 10 mL to be safe.

Now the mega downside. 1,4 butanediol is chemical and very bitter tasting. Those traits alone make a person nauseous and can cause vomiting. Real GHB tastes salty because it is a different chemical chain mixed with a salt chain. It's easier to drink real GHB. If you are going to use either to CTB you should mix it with alcohol. The best way to overcome the nausea and vomiting that are caused by GHB or 1,4 butanediol is by taking the full fatal dose of ei5er quickly in one big swallow, not over time. That way you should fall asleep before your body has time to become nauseous.

To overcome the bodies natural response to the bitter chemical taste of 1,4 butanediol, you may have to consider the antiemetic regimented prescribed by A for Overdose on B.

From what I've read I if you mix BDO with alcohol your body will metabolize the alcohol first causing the BDO to take longer to kick in but once the alcohol wears off then you'll get the full dose of BDO. Apparently this is the main reason that makes it so dangerous to mix because people keep re-dosing thinking they need more when they already have taken an overdose.

 

[Moms_Spaghetti]

https://juniperpublishers.com/jfsci/pdf/JFSCI.MS.ID.555786.pdf

Good read on the subject. Apparently if you dont like the taste you can put it up your ass.

I bet rectal administration would be the most efficient way to maximize the chances of not waking up just like how you can die real easily from alcohol poisoning this way because it absorbs faster into your bloodstream.

 

[311]

I bet rectal administration would be the most efficient way to maximize the chances of not waking up just like how you can die real easily from alcohol poisoning this way because it doesn't pass through your liver.

This is ghb so I'm not sure tho. But the rest is a good read.

 

[Moms_Spaghetti]

Yeah I saw this too. I'm gonna mix with my soma tablets and valium instead.

Yeah I was thinking maybe a benzo and a some opiates would work better than alcohol in this case. Yeah soma would work great and you can purchase them online from some online pharmacies. Soma are notorious for overdoses with alcohol.

 

[Moms_Spaghetti]

It's not as easy to retain liquids rectally as you might think. Try it.

Yeah I guess that would make sense especially with a drug that would probably relax your sphincter.

 

[Stillnotsure]

Yeah I was thinking maybe a benzo and a some opiates would work better than alcohol in this case. Yeah soma would work great and you can purchase them online from some online pharmacies. Soma are notorious for overdoses with alcohol.

Rest assured alcohol is the best pairing with GHB or 1,4 butanediol because the body doesn't differentiate between the two. You are right that people keep dosing because they don't think they are feeling high yet, but that's because they wrongfully assume all GHB is the same concentration or use GHL instead. Using alcohol is best because it uses up all the enzymes and chemicals used by the body to break down the GHB and alcohol. You fall asleep and loose your respiratory drive quicker because of the pairing. To say the GHB waits until the alcohol is broken down isn't true. They actually work together to be fatal.

 

[gingerplum]

But it's such a small amount.

Even a couple oz is more uncomfortable than you think. It's not that big of a deal if you waste 1,4 B, but something like N would be an expensive loss.

Either way, if you're determined to do this, get a pediatric enema kit (they're smaller) from the drugstore & do a trial run.

 

[Stillnotsure]

I think rectally administrating GHB would be fine because of its salt content, we are naturally salty....


Rectally administering the chemical 1,4 butanediol would be challenging. It might have a suppository laxatives effect and that causes the unbelievable urge to push and poop. You have to keep all the liquid inside your colon for awhile to give it time to absorb.

If someone buys it and doesn't mind being a Guinea pig, rub a finger full on your rectum and tell us how it feels.

 

[gingerplum]

Rest assured alcohol is the best pairing with GHB or 1,4 butanediol because the body doesn't differentiate between the two. You are right that people keep dosing because they don't think they are feeling high yet, but that's because they wrongfully assume all GHB is the same concentration or use GHL instead. Using alcohol is best because it uses up all the enzymes and chemicals used by the body to break down the GHB and alcohol. You fall asleep and loose your respiratory drive quicker because of the pairing. To say the GHB waits until the alcohol is broken down isn't true. They actually work together to be fatal.

I agree that this sounds right. It doesn't make sense to me that if they're both ingested at the same time, the alcohol is metabolized first. It's not like your liver prioritizes; they're both being processed at once.

 

[Moms_Spaghetti]

I agree that this sounds right. It doesn't make sense to me that if they're both ingested at the same time, the alcohol is metabolized first. It's not like your liver prioritizes; they're both being processed at once.

Apparently 1,4 BDO and ethanol compete with each other in the liver but alcohol does enhance the effects. I guess I'm just not understanding these studies right. I was going off personal accounts of people who have mixed alcohol with it and all of them say the same about it taking longer to take effect but being stronger once it does so I think what I'm saying is still partially correct. Someone help explain to me this to me better.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0741832986900558

 

[TiredHorse]

I bet rectal administration would be the most efficient way to maximize the chances of not waking up just like how you can die real easily from alcohol poisoning this way because it doesn't pass through your liver.

@Stillnotsure, @gingerplum, don't I understand that the 14B needs to get to the liver to be metabolized into the fatal GHB? In which case administering rectally to bypass the liver might be counterproductive, yes?

 

[311]

@Stillnotsure, @gingerplum, don't I understand that the 14B needs to get to the liver to be metabolized into the fatal GHB? In which case administering rectally to bypass the liver might be counterproductive, yes?

I believe there is a hepatic vein in the rectum. I'm not sure.

 

[Moms_Spaghetti]

@Stillnotsure, @gingerplum, don't I understand that the 14B needs to get to the liver to be metabolized into the fatal GHB? In which case administering rectally to bypass the liver might be counterproductive, yes?

This study talks about toxicity appearing faster in rectally administered rats.
https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+1112

 

[gingerplum]

@Stillnotsure, @gingerplum, don't I understand that the 14B needs to get to the liver to be metabolized into the fatal GHB? In which case administering rectally to bypass the liver might be counterproductive, yes?

That doesn't bypass the liver. It skips first pass metabolism (the gut), and is absorbed directly into the bloodstream via mucosal tissue, then reaches the liver. It's slower and a literal pain in the ass, but it's great way to skip over any potential nausea & vomiting.

 

[gingerplum]

This study talks about toxicity appearing faster in rectally administered rats.
https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+1112

Poor rats. Maybe rectal absorption speed is comparable to oral; I was always under the impression that digestion was more efficient, but maybe not. Mucosal tissue is so highly vascular.

 

[Stillnotsure]

@Stillnotsure, @gingerplum, don't I understand that the 14B needs to get to the liver to be metabolized into the fatal GHB? In which case administering rectally to bypass the liver might be counterproductive, yes?

Things administered rectally do make it to the liver. Let me explain....

When you take a substance that can permeate the colon, that is, can be absorbed through the rectal tissue, it enteres the blood stream. All blood in the body is filtered through the liver, that is how things we ingest or swallow make it to the liver too. The difference is time. When you swallow a pill for pain for example, it has to go through your mouth and into the stomach where it starts dissolving, unless it is specifically designed to break down in the stomach it then moves on to the small intestines then the colon or large intestines. In the intestines it passes through into the blood stream and into the liver and kidneys.

If you take the same pain drug, designed to be taken rectally, it works faster by being absorbed through the rectum directly into the blood stream.

Not all drugs will work rectally for many reasons. The molecules of the drug need to be small enough and the right formula to pass through wall of the rectum. Glycerin for example or fiber, cannot pass through the wall so it causes you to poop instead. Some drugs cause a burning sensation that stimulates the large intestine to cramp and move more rapidly causing an incredible urge to empty your bowls.

 

[Stillnotsure]

Apparently 1,4 BDO and ethanol compete with each other in the liver but alcohol does enhance the effects. I guess I'm just not understanding these studies right. I was going off personal accounts of people who have mixed alcohol with it and all of them say the same about it taking longer to take effect but being stronger once it does so I think what I'm saying is still partially correct. Someone help explain to me this to me better.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0741832986900558

Ok I see what you mean here. According to this article the enzymes may break down alcohol faster because it is a more simple chain. But, the 1,4 butanediol is still being broken down, but at a slower rate. My reading further shows the main issue is people not using the more concentrated forms of GHB or 1,4 butanediol. Thankfully, if you take either in excess with alcohol, we still get the effects we are after here on SS. We are drinking the alcohol and 1,4butanediol for the central nervous system depressing effects. The key to the process seems to be excess of both substances.