Resource Butanediol megathread

[gingerplum]

how much alcohol do you need to take it with?

We don't know.

Can I just drink one ounce (for me to get alcohol would be tricker)
will that still be lethal?

Maybe. I wish I had verifiable answers; this method is in a very nascent stage of being understood.

Edit: Sorry, I read that as an ounce of alcohol; an ounce of 1,4 B should be enough to take out 3 people.

 

[Jane Doe]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...l-tulse-hill-london-inquest-a8696911.html?amp

This may be of use.

 

[TiredHorse]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...l-tulse-hill-london-inquest-a8696911.html?amp

This may be of use.

"Dr Andrews said Keane had 518mg of GHB per millilitre of blood in her system; more than 260mg of the drug can put an individual in a "deep sleep".

The inquest heard the drug comes in either a powder or liquid form, and the dose can be as small as a teaspoon. Dr Andrews said this was one of the dangers of GHB."

I suspect those are actually micrograms per mililiter rather than miligrams per. The numbers are difficult to interpret for doseage predictive purposes, since we don't know her bodyweight, and they become even more vague when we don't know if she had used alcohol (a potentiator), too. Perhaps I have that wrong, though. Hopefully someone more knowledgable will chime in here.

 

[JohnDoe1]

1l for 35 euros....1 LITER FOR 35 EUROS AHAHAAHAHAHAH YOU COULD KILL HOW MANY PEOPLE WITH 1L???




how much do you have to pay for n these days? 400 dollars? not to mention the pain with the bitcoins...

lol...yeah...you could kill 200 people with a litre...considering a lethal dose of 5 ml...


N was $500 for 2 bottles, a year ago...maybe, he raised his prices now...

 

[creationisdeath]

Just found this German Distributor..Carl Roth...

https://www.carlroth.com/en/en/Chemicals/A-Z-Chemicals/B/1,4-Butanediol/1,4-Butanediol/p/0000000800008be800040023_en

They have distributors in many other countries too...So, those not living in USA, can contact Carl Roth Distributor in their country, and ask them if they have 14BDO....They have a list of distributors on their website

https://www.carlroth.com/en/en/Distributors-abroad

Still banned in Europe. You'd need someone willing to smuggle/send concealed as usual.

Read this: https://www.carlroth.com/en/en/registration

 

[JohnDoe1]

Still banned in Europe. You'd need someone willing to smuggle/send concealed as usual.

Read this: https://www.carlroth.com/en/en/registration

It's not illegal in Germany...

From wikipedia...

In Germany, the drug is not explicitly illegal, but might also be treated as illegal if used as a drug.

 

[Ayeitsalaska]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B...4df-15aac5223b10&pf_rd_r=KF1X7HN4RBQYRC6R3BET

this one ounce of bottle will kill me with alcohol? (and how much should i drink)

 

[311]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B...4df-15aac5223b10&pf_rd_r=KF1X7HN4RBQYRC6R3BET

this one ounce of bottle will kill me with alcohol? (and how much should i drink)

You should probably drink 2-4oz and like 4 shots.

 

[TiredHorse]

Those side effects just sound like a more horny version of the side effects of sn lol. This method needs its own megathread:)

I think this thread has become, de facto, its own megathread.

@Threads, @iHeartRockArt, (and other mods), @311, should the title of this thread be changed to reflect its potential importance?

 

[Cody111]

You can import it but not for personal use.

From what i found you need to be a registered imported. There has been some high profile cases of people importing by the drum and getting done.
Also every australian site you can buy from says they will need further documentation.

 

[BellaKAT]

You should probably drink 2-4oz and like 4 shots.

wait.. so you can buy this on amazon here in the u.s?

 

[311]

wait.. so you can buy this on amazon here in the u.s?

Ye

 

[Threads]

I'm not home.

When I get home, I'll recheck this thread and change this post to reflect my opinions and feelings on it.

 

[Threads]

I've edited this thread into a 'Mega Thread'

I've also sent out 311 a PM giving him instructions if he'd like to DM me to edit the thread.

I've linked this thread in the Resources and FAQ.

 

[Fcancer]

If this is like GHB, then there is a very fine line between ok and not ok from my experiences. I have never mixed alcohol with it, because that can make things go south very fast.

It doesn't show up in normal drug tests as it metabolises too fast. I don't know what sort of tests coroners do, but I would suggest this would be unlikely to show up either unless they did some sort of special test.

I don't know what a lethal dose would be, but I imagine if you get the right stuff something like half a cup would be heeeaps.

Who wants to be a guinea pig?? Might turn out to be better than N if it works, as can come across as accidental due to not showing up in tests.

 

[311]

If this is like GHB, then there is a very fine line between ok and not ok from my experiences. I have never mixed alcohol with it, because that can make things go south very fast.

It doesn't show up in normal drug tests as it metabolises too fast. I don't know what sort of tests coroners do, but I would suggest this would be unlikely to show up either unless they did some sort of special test.

I don't know what a lethal dose would be, but I imagine if you get the right stuff something like half a cup would be heeeaps.

Who wants to be a guinea pig?? Might turn out to be better than N if it works, as can come across as accidental due to not showing up in tests.

I'm likely going to try.

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

Hmm i remember taking, i think ghb when it was legal back in '98 or so. Just made you feel kinda drunk, it came in these big capsules you could barely swallow, and id take 3 or 4 at a time. I also thought they would be good for weight training.

 

[ausboy96]

This sounds great but looks like I can't import this into Australia :(

 

[Cody111]

This sounds great but looks like I can't import this into Australia :(

You could buy this off the street if you know a dealer, but prices will be much higher.

 

[ausboy96]

You could buy this off the street if you know a dealer, but prices will be much higher.

I'm not gonna trust a dealer, no idea what they're selling you.

 

[creationisdeath]

That ebay seller excuses himself by stating "it is only to be used for technical purposes". Now if it's really THAT easy this sure would be a nice Christmas present.
Suddenly hundreds of amateur chemists pop up all over that need it for their technical projects.. haha

Affordable, better tasting N, without supporting that shady Mexican dude.

I'm not gonna trust a dealer, no idea what they're selling you.

Yeah please don't trust dealers. I've never been into drugs myself but I grew up in that scene. They'd sell you any crap to make money.

 

[gingerplum]

That ebay seller excuses himself by stating "it is only to be used for technical purposes". Now if it's really THAT easy this sure would be a nice Christmas present.
Suddenly hundreds of amateur chemists pop up all over that need it for their technical projects.. haha

Affordable, better tasting N, without supporting that shady Mexican dude.



Yeah please don't trust dealers. I've never been into drugs myself but I grew up in that scene. They'd sell you any crap to make money.

eBay? Which country? Link please?? Thank you!

 

[creationisdeath]

eBay? Which country? Link please?? Thank you!

This was posted a few posts above https://www.ebay.de/itm/Butandiol-B...hash=item41d2ac83cf:m:mwCfMbuYYC_MXkq0u6-ubRg

The guy quotes German wikipedia at the bottom. I saw that earlier when I said it would be difficult to obtain. Translated it seems to say:

- It's not explicitly in the list of banned substances because it can be used for industrial purposes.
- It is however illegal if used medically/as a recreational drug

Then just "this is only intended for technical blabla".

Maybe a disclaimer really is enough

And he says to contact him if you want to order more than 200kg.

 

[ausboy96]

This was posted a few posts above https://www.ebay.de/itm/Butandiol-B...hash=item41d2ac83cf:m:mwCfMbuYYC_MXkq0u6-ubRg

The guy quotes German wikipedia at the bottom. I saw that earlier when I said it would be difficult to obtain. Translated it seems to say:

- It's not explicitly in the list of banned substances because it can be used for industrial purposes.
- It is however illegal if used medically/as a recreational drug

Then just "this is only intended for technical blabla".

Maybe a disclaimer really is enough

And he says to contact him if you want to order more than 200kg.

It won't sell to Australia :(

 

[gingerplum]

This was posted a few posts above https://www.ebay.de/itm/Butandiol-B...hash=item41d2ac83cf:m:mwCfMbuYYC_MXkq0u6-ubRg

The guy quotes German wikipedia at the bottom. I saw that earlier when I said it would be difficult to obtain. Translated it seems to say:

- It's not explicitly in the list of banned substances because it can be used for industrial purposes.
- It is however illegal if used medically/as a recreational drug

Then just "this is only intended for technical blabla".

Maybe a disclaimer really is enough

And he says to contact him if you want to order more than 200kg.

Wow, thank you. Sorry, I didn't see it linked earlier. So, 500 mL (enough for 100 people) for under $40 dollars. That. Is. In-fucking-credible. I sent him a query to see if he'll ship to the US, but sellers typically stick to their own country unless otherwise specified.

Edit: There's at least one other seller that ships internationally:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.de/ulk/itm/263516390174

 

[creationisdeath]

Wow, thank you. Sorry, I didn't see it linked earlier. So, 500 mL (enough for 100 people) for under $40 dollars. That. Is. In-fucking-credible. I sent him a query to see if he'll ship to the US, but sellers typically stick to their own country unless otherwise specified.

Edit: There's at least one other seller that ships internationally:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.de/ulk/itm/263516390174

I can't wait for someone to confirm this method really works. This seems like a massive loophole that isn't on anyone's radar yet.

But don't forget the post about a couple surviving 50mL. The claims are wildly varied so far.

 

[311]

I can't wait for someone to confirm this method really works. This seems like a massive loophole that isn't on anyone's radar yet.

But don't forget the post about a couple surviving 50mL. The claims are wildly varied so far.

That's why I think people should take 2-4 ounces

 

[OnlyMercy]

Would it be possible to use a small quantity of this product to induce loss of consciousness for Sodium Nitrite?
My concern is that I'll be in unbearable pain (headache, stomach) before sodium nitrite takes full effect and loss of consciousness occurs. I'm not in possession of any benzos at the moment.

 

[gingerplum]

I can't wait for someone to confirm this method really works. This seems like a massive loophole that isn't on anyone's radar yet.

But don't forget the post about a couple surviving 50mL. The claims are wildly varied so far.

Honestly, that's the only anecdote I've seen so far where the dosage didn't jibe. I am sure they were mistaken, and I wonder if they weren't somehow confusing mg with mL. Everything I'm reading says there's a miniscule difference between a high and death:

"GHB ban had sparked a heavy rise in the use of its far more dangerous—but legal—alternative, GBL. The substance has an even steeper dosing curve than GHB, meaning that a couple of milligrams too many, especially if mixed with alcohol, can be the difference between getting high and overdosing."

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbxexv/dark-side-of-ghb-narcomania-003

 

[gingerplum]

Would it be possible to use a small quantity of this product to induce loss of consciousness for Sodium Nitrite?
My concern is that I'll be in unbearable pain (headache, stomach) before sodium nitrite takes full effect and loss of consciousness occurs. I'm not in possession of any benzos at the moment.

I don't see why not. Bear in mind that apparently 1,4 B has a very slow onset... in a number of anecdotal reports, individuals get in over their heads and take an additional dose, thinking the first dose was inadequate when it just hadn't taken effect yet.