Method Questions about Nitrogen gas method? Insights from experts?

[thehorizons]

I'm starting to get a better picture of the nitrogen method in terms of where to source it, what I need, its effectiveness, etc. That said, I have several questions that I hope some of the experts on SaSu could shed some light on. There are three things I'm not clear on.

First, how could you actually restrain yourself when using this method? I'm looking at the PPH and from my understanding is that when we pull the exit bag down after hyperventiliating for 1–2 minutes, we would lose consciousness after taking one deep breath. If we lose consciousness we technically can't restrain ourselves after pulling the bag down. Or, do we pull the bag down first, restrain ourselves, and then take one deep breath to lose consciousness? The PPH doesn't mention anything about restraining oneself too. By restraining, I mean sitting in a chair with some chest straps to prevent convulsing after I lose consciousness.

Second, when we go unconscious, isn't there the possibility of our head thrashing about and tearing the exit bag open or the hose becomes loose?

Lastly, so when the nitrogen seeps out of the collar of the exit bag, would it be a danger to those entering the room later after we CTBed? I guess I have sense of altruism still. I was wondering, wouldn't the nitrogen fill the room? Do we leave a note to any coming into the room beforehand?

I probably have more questions than these, but these are just some lingering ones that I can't find an answer to on this forum.

Additionally, my equipment list is pretty bare bones right now:

– Nitrogen cylinder
– Regulator
– Exit bag that's a clear turkey bag (using a sweat band instead of an elastic collar since I can't find videos online on how to make it and this seems relatively effective)
– Chair (with the chest strap)

 

[Chito and Yuuri]

I'd recommend seeing if you could restrain yourself first, and if not possible, you could also just lie down in bed so that you convulse a lot on the bed.

Also, sure, your head may thrash around, but you could also just lose consciousness, and unless you thrash around super severely you won't tear open the bag. Also, you could use duct tape in order to keep the hose in place and keep the bag tight around your neck.

Also, I don't believe that the nitrogen should really leak out but feel free to leave a note if you want to.

 

[thehorizons]

Based on the PPH and from my understanding, wouldn't all the nitrogen eventually leak out? I mean initially the oxygen and carbon dioxide are leaking out after being displaced by the nitrogen, but then as the nitrogen keeps flowing into the bag as lose consciousness and CTB it'll leak out as well.

 

[Chito and Yuuri]

Based on the PPH and from my understanding, wouldn't all the nitrogen eventually leak out? I mean initially the oxygen and carbon dioxide are leaking out after being displaced by the nitrogen, but then as the nitrogen keeps flowing into the bag as lose consciousness and CTB it'll leak out as well.

Hm... I'm not too sure about that, but I guess it wouldn't really matter as even if it all did leak out people could just air the room out, no? And again, you could leave a note and all.

Oh, and don't forget how other people have done similar things and when they were discovered the whole room didn't feel full of nitrogen or whatever they were inhaling, at least according to the forensics reports. And remember, you could always open a window if you feel like it. And if you somehow have no windows, you could open the door and then open another window if possible. And if it's a closet, then, well, the exact same procedure as the no windows thing lmao, but my point still stands.

 

[behindtheveil]

Nitrogen is not a hazardous gas; it is present in the air we breathe. It only becomes dangerous when inhaled in a closed environment. Any gas that leaks out of the exit bag would het mixed with air and hence render neutral.
From my failed first attempt, I can say that you don't lose consciousness right away. You have enough time to strap yourself.

 

[thehorizons]

Nitrogen is not a hazardous gas; it is present in the air we breathe. It only becomes dangerous when inhaled in a closed environment. Any gas that leaks out of the exit bag would het mixed with air and hence render neutral.
From my failed first attempt, I can say that you don't lose consciousness right away. You have enough time to strap yourself.

You're right that makes sense. I was thinking earlier too how it would be hazardous only if it's in a closed off environment such as when we use the exit bag.

When you mentioned your first failed attempt, could you elaborate on that? Did you regain consciousness later on or were you discovered? Is this a reliable method then?

 

[Chito and Yuuri]

Nitrogen is not a hazardous gas; it is present in the air we breathe. It only becomes dangerous when inhaled in a closed environment. Any gas that leaks out of the exit bag would het mixed with air and hence render neutral.
From my failed first attempt, I can say that you don't lose consciousness right away. You have enough time to strap yourself.

Whoa, you had a failed first attempt utilizing an exit bag? That must've felt horrible, right?

 

[behindtheveil]

My attempt failed because I was under the notion that it is fast acting which it most def is not. But then I forgot to hyperventilate as well so that contributed to the situation. I never lost consciousness. I myself took it off after 20 or 30 seconds.
Plus, SI is a pain.

 

[thehorizons]

I see. I haven't gotten the supplies, but I definitely know that hyperventilating is key since it induces this hypoxic state. Just a final question, do you think you would have passed out eventually if you didn't take it off? Thanks for all your input.

 

[cocobutter]

My attempt failed because I was under the notion that it is fast acting which it most def is not. But then I forgot to hyperventilate as well so that contributed to the situation. I never lost consciousness. I myself took it off after 20 or 30 seconds.
Plus, SI is a pain.

Think you not have the pure nitrogen gas? It could be a possibility.

Based on the PPH and from my understanding, wouldn't all the nitrogen eventually leak out? I mean initially the oxygen and carbon dioxide are leaking out after being displaced by the nitrogen, but then as the nitrogen keeps flowing into the bag as lose consciousness and CTB it'll leak out as well.

What is PPH? And weher to buy the nitrogen cylinder and regulator? And what size should it be?

 

[behindtheveil]

I see. I haven't gotten the supplies, but I definitely know that hyperventilating is key since it induces this hypoxic state. Just a final question, do you think you would have passed out eventually if you didn't take it off? Thanks for all your input.

To be honest, I was pretty riled up after that experience. Just trying to gather strength for the next and hopefully final one. The time spent in the bag really enhanced my adrenaline. I couldn't sleep for a whole day after that.

Think you not have the pure nitrogen gas? It could be a possibility.

What is PPH? And weher to buy the nitrogen cylinder and regulator? And what size should it be?

Its 99 * food grade. My doubt lies on not hyperventilating.

 

[thehorizons]

To be honest, I was pretty riled up after that experience. Just trying to gather strength for the next and hopefully final one.

Its 99 * food grade. My doubt lies on not hyperventilating.

That's fair. Sorry that you had to go through that and whatever it is that you're experiencing right now. There's no clock for this. I've been grounded in science for a majority of my life, but recently I've started believing in fate. I believe when it's time it's time.

For me, I have some serious illnesses in which I don't see a way out in the future since there ultimately won't be a meaningful cure for me. I'm in a moment in time that I feel I have enough power and agency to CTB (might be overly optimistic about that one since I need to do a lot of logistic work still). It might not be something I could do in the future. If I didn't have these illnesses and if the problems were purely mental like most of the problems I had in the past, I would definitely reason it out.

Thanks for all your help though.

 

[jackiebrown67]

I went to the Dollar tree today and looked up at the balloons and had a wonderful thought, how wonderful is it called nitrous oxide? You said Nitrogen. How blissful.

 

[thehorizons]

Think you not have the pure nitrogen gas? It could be a possibility.

What is PPH? And weher to buy the nitrogen cylinder and regulator? And what size should it be?

It's the Peaceful Pill Handbook (ironic since the peaceful pill is now a myth). I've been reading it to find out more about inert gases. It doesn't go in enough detail, so I'm using SaSu and other resources as well. As to where you can obtain the cylinder and regulator, it depends on your country. In my country it's not regulated and it's used for basic stuff like food, but that doesn't mean it's a walk in the park to obtain either cause I have to find a way to transport the cylinder to the place I want to CTB (it's not like you're buying some sneakers from Foot Locker).