First pro-mortalist terrorist attack? (Guy Edward Bartkus)

[Adûnâi]

On May 17, 2025, a car bombing occurred at a reproductive center in Palm Springs, California, leaving one person near the vehicle dead and four others injured. [...]

A suspect was self-identified as 25-year-old Guy Edward Bartkus, a citizen of Twentynine Palms, California. Bartkus described himself as a pro-mortalist, saying people did not give consent to exist in his manifesto. He reportedly left a 30-minute audio recording in which he explained his reasoning behind the attack.

2025 Palm Springs fertility clinic bombing - Wikipedia

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Me: I don't condone violence, and SaSu doesn't either, BUT THAT SAID, it's huge to see pro-mortalism mentioned! I'm autistic and I'm flattered because I [morally] support pro-mortalism! Go Team M <3

 

[deathneutrality]

a little bit odd to say "go team m" after talking about a mass killer dont u think

On May 17, 2025, a car bombing occurred at a reproductive center in Palm Springs, California, leaving one person near the vehicle dead and four others injured. [...]

A suspect was self-identified as 25-year-old Guy Edward Bartkus, a citizen of Twentynine Palms, California. Bartkus described himself as a pro-mortalist, saying people did not give consent to exist in his manifesto. He reportedly left a 30-minute audio recording in which he explained his reasoning behind the attack.

2025 Palm Springs fertility clinic bombing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Me: I don't condone violence, and SaSu doesn't either, BUT THAT SAID, it's huge to see pro-mortalism mentioned! I'm autistic and I'm flattered because I [morally] support pro-mortalism! Go Team M <3

on another note tho, wikipedia links to an article that says "all the frozen embryos are safe" insane world

 

[Adûnâi]

on another note tho, wikipedia links to an article that says "all the frozen embryos are safe" insane world

Which one lmao?

By the way, I have archived his dead gf's tiktok videos! Maybe I can resell them in 10 years and buy a robowaifu.

 

[noname223]

WTF. I already was against pro-mortalism but this is insane. A fucking terror attack. We are not on 4chan to support that.
I think this act shows that pro-mortalism can be pretty dangerous. I would also condemn all religious terrorism. Such attacks fully backfire in most cases. And the average person will lock down even more on anti-natalists (related to pro-mortalism)

 

[leloyon]

Nah, I'd say that the Sandy Hook shooting was a pro-mortalist attack. See Also. (Lanza had a youtube channel and that's a pretty good analysis of it, that video is made by a researcher.) He identified as an antinatalist however he really just seemed to be a pro-mortalist instead.
I'm not posting that to glorify him by the way nor propagate his views (he was a sick fuck), just to illustrate how exactly he was pro-mortalist since that is a relatively new revelation that wasn't covered much in the mainstream.

Me: I don't condone violence, and SaSu doesn't either, BUT THAT SAID, it's huge to see pro-mortalism mentioned! I'm autistic and I'm flattered because I [morally] support pro-mortalism! Go Team M <3

Huge in a bad way. Even if you want to just conveniently ignore everything else here, claim you don't support violence, don't you think this is terrible optics? For your cause? Hell, for SaSu? People call this website the pro-mortalist suicide encouragement website, demonise us all the time, so you go and post this garbage?
I swear, being an antinatalist gets more embarrassing by the day. I wish I could go back to listening to David Benatar and Tropical Mainlander in peace rather than hearing about crotch goblins and reddit. And now cheering "Go Team M <3" in response to a bombing attack.

 

[someplace better]

I believe he was a member here and posted right before doing it. It's a shame he unnecessarily injured bystanders.

 

[noname223]

I believe he was a member here and posted right before doing it. It's a shame he unnecessarily injured bystanders.

What really? Is this true? I thought the one person who stabbed other people (not killing them) was member here. But also other terrorists?

 

[someplace better]

What really? Is this true? I thought the one person who stabbed other people (not killing them) was member here. But also other terrorists?

I believe so, the username he used is plastered everywhere now. His reddit and youtube account are now banned.

 

[Dot]

On May 17, 2025, a car bombing occurred at a reproductive center in Palm Springs, California, leaving one person near the vehicle dead and four others injured. [...]

A suspect was self-identified as 25-year-old Guy Edward Bartkus, a citizen of Twentynine Palms, California. Bartkus described himself as a pro-mortalist, saying people did not give consent to exist in his manifesto. He reportedly left a 30-minute audio recording in which he explained his reasoning behind the attack.

2025 Palm Springs fertility clinic bombing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Me: I don't condone violence, and SaSu doesn't either, BUT THAT SAID, it's huge to see pro-mortalism mentioned! I'm autistic and I'm flattered because I [morally] support pro-mortalism! Go Team M <3

Slf d/ nt undrstnd pro-mortlism

If ppl d/ nt agree wth havng childrn thn fne

If ppl wnt2 ctb bcse of vrious factrs thn tht = thr decsn

Pro-mortlsm & elifsm r abt th/ deths of othr ppl

Hw cn n.e1 spport tht

Sme1 = ded & 5 ppl r injurd s/ thnk tht celbr8tng smethng lke tht = hghly insenstve evn if = spports a questnble caus tht u agree wth

 

[The Unanswered Q]

Manifesto is just your usual delusional anarchist larp that will never work in the real world. Most people have the memory of a goldfish, this will be completely forgotten within a week.

 

[rainwillneverstop]

Bit tone deaf to say "go team m," after a terror attack.

 

[Dot]

Which one lmao?

By the way, I have archived his dead gf's tiktok videos! Maybe I can resell them in 10 years and buy a robowaifu.

Sh/ ws nt hs grlfrnd & tht = grss on multple levls

 

[Namelesa]

The fact that 4 people that got injured and only 1 person died already shows this doesn't achieve promortalistic goals at all. This just caused more pain as they still alive and now suffering even more. Also who knows if dead person has loved ones so they going to suffer more when this person probably didn't want to die. And I also assumed the death was painful so thats bad cus that dead person didn't ask for that pain. Also the physical damage of the bombing as well causing a negative impact.

This whole event has just caused more suffering, not decreased it.

 

[getoutgirl]

The fact that 4 people that got injured and only 1 person died already shows this doesn't achieve promortalistic goals at all. This just caused more pain as they still alive and now suffering even more. Also who knows if dead person has loved ones so they going to suffer more when this person probably didn't want to die. And I also assumed the death was painful so thats bad cus that dead person didn't ask for that pain.

This whole event has just caused more suffering, not decreased it.

Pretty sure the only one who died is the perpetrator himself.
If so he got what he wanted. I still feel bad for his loved ones and definetly the people he injured.
I don't like the ideology honestly but I can respect it in theory. In practice I hate this, which should be obvious and I'm glad ppl agree here.

 

[MelancholyMagic]

This is bad news for promortalism. The guy just seems sad and is using this as an outlet. Some of what he says and what he did is not in line with our movement.

 

[Namelesa]

Pretty sure the only one who died is the perpetrator himself.
If so he got what he wanted. I still feel bad for his loved ones and definetly the people he injured.
I don't like the ideology honestly but I can respect it in theory. In practice I hate this, which should be obvious and I'm glad ppl agree here.

wow so this bombing achieved literally nothing if he was the only one who died. Would have totally been better and absolutely fine if he just blown himself up alone if he wanted to actually achieve promortalistic goals.

 

[leloyon]

I believe so, the username he used is plastered everywhere now. His reddit and youtube account are now banned.

Could just link the damned thing.