Pro-life

[Pure]

i wouldn't say people only care if you attempt or succeed in taking your life . how many millions of families out there care alot about there kids and they never want to commit suicide? its only this small group that this that way i think personally, and its too late once someone is dead. I would think thats common sense to most people.

No what I mean is that people think you're histrionic if you experience chronic suicidality without concrete plans. Or at least it gets exhausting for them and they end up pulling back. Which is why I've never practiced the "tell someone in your life!!" thing that professionals recommend. normies arent equipped with dealing with that so they either think you're not serious orrr they pull back bc it's understandably draining to be around someone like that much. Hence why SS plays such a big role in my mental health right now. I can word vomit how I'm feeling and shit and no matter what I know someone is gonna understand what it's like and at least one person is gonna reply.

 

[checkouttime]

Fine if you already have an account but you can't use a vpn to make one.

use TOR???? and then VPN afterwards??

i mean if anyone is reading this they would have figured out a way to get on the site anyway, so not much point in posting about it really! thing is nowadays these young ens are wizzes and can do all sort, i imagine most know how to use TOR. it might be a bit harder for older people in these countries, but i'm sure anyone desperate enough can find what they want in the end.

 

[Alwaysbadtime]

, i mean we already had 2 members ctb because of them.

What are you talking about?

 

[checkouttime]

No what I mean is that people think you're histrionic if you experience chronic suicidality without concrete plans. Or at least it gets exhausting for them and they end up pulling back. Which is why I've never practiced the "tell someone in your life!!" thing that professionals recommend. normies arent equipped with dealing with that so they either think you're not serious orrr they pull back bc it's understandably draining to be around someone like that much. Hence why SS plays such a big role in my mental health right now. I can word vomit how I'm feeling and shit and no matter what I know someone is gonna understand what it's like and at least one person is gonna reply.

I won't judge other members on if they have plans or not, i won't start claiming people on this site are "histrionic if you experience chronic suicidality without concrete plans" i mean how funny is it that a pro lifer thinks like that. there are thousands of member still on this site. funny how they would look at members like that, i imagine their aren't many mental health professionals that think like that, hence why they should leave things upto the professionals.

I mean what do they expect people to just jump on this site get some chemicals and ctb??? shows how much knowledge they have on mental health or other various issues, thats why its best to leave things upto professionals and not just be bitter and twisted cause your kids ctb

I know some people get bullied though and are effected by what others say. fortunataly me personally i have never been bothered what others think, especially not someone on the internet. and especially not sum numpty who thinks cause they got a dead kid they are some expert in suicide. they wanna get over it, its too late to start pretending your arsed now. should of made more effort while they were alive like any normal person would do. i mean honestly it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, plenty of other families don't have a problem with it.

don't forget there are also many members who also aren't mentally ill, some may have terminal illness or be disabled are they just expected CTB after 2 minutes. I'm not surprised one of these brain dead groups would think like that, just goes to show how little they know about members and just 'assume' things, why am i not surprised one bit by these retards thinking like that. some people do just commit suicide impulsively though, and thats there decision aswell. like i said i won't judge members on how long they are here for its not some sort of race and only goes to show and prove that we don't encourage on this site.


Its like all these old profiles that have popped back up again. it shows how valuable this site is as alot of members have been here a while, it shows how helpful the site can be for members as they haven't CTB despite being suicidal. it only goes to show the value of this site if people are still here and its not all doom and gloom like the pro lifers make out doesn't it?

 

[9BBN]

Do you really think that if, right now, assisted suicide is implemented our lifes are gonna be taken with the respect and dignity they deserve if we choose it? Are we even prepared for it with the current understanding of mental health that we have?

I do, because right-to-die (RTD) laws are implemented in other countries around the world with success. I recommend reading this article for the latest developments and statistics. It is written by a renowned philosopher, Peter Singer, the father of the Effective Altruism movement:

Extending the Right to Die | by Peter Singer - Project Syndicate

Peter Singer highlights the two main questions still surrounding physician-assisted suicide and voluntary euthanasia.

www.project-syndicate.org

I don't want to devalue human life just as much as you do. Please understand that death being a human right does not devalue human life, but instead restores the value of autonomy in many needlessly suffering individuals. Again, I would rather remove the systems that make people vulnerable than simply legalize RTD laws for the vulnerable. But it's not either/or, and both need to be done.

You sound like a wonderful person who recognizes the good value of life. Unfortunately, that side of life is not guaranteed for everyone. RTD laws provide people with the option of suicide, and we encourage everyone to make an informed, non-impulsive decision with this option available to them. Statistically, suicides do not run rampant in RTD countries, and in fact it has been shown that mere access to suicidal resources improves life satisfaction (see the article I linked).

Also, think of the elderly. Many of them aren't on here (because they still use white pages, LOL, and you can't even find this site using Google), but it turns out that many of them would rather die with dignity than let cancer or infections like Covid-19 take them away. This is why organizations like Exit International are popular and gain traction.

 

[checkouttime]

What are you talking about?

jeremy the nonce a member with numerous fake profiles doxxed a member on here and in turn she ctb, he had been banned from here and was obviously seeking revenge by doxxing the member. he claimed to be a young autistic female, even though he was a middle aged male, we all know what type of people do this, fucking disgusting sexual predators

then another member called rue was mocked and things posted about her all over social media and she ctb, whilst she was dying these groups mocked her and wished her to be suffering, she was guilty of talking to a family member of one of these groups. another case of wanting revenge. any they claim this site is unethical, they wanna take a look in the mirror!!!

 

[Alwaysbadtime]

jeremy the nonce a member with numerous fake profiles doxxed a member on here and in turn she ctb, he had been banned from here and was obviously seeking revenge by doxxing the member. he claimed to be a young autistic female, even though he was a middle aged male, we all know what type of people do this, fucking disgusting sexual predators

then another member called rue was mocked and things posted about her all over social media and she ctb, whilst she was dying these groups mocked her and wished her to be suffering, she was guilty of talking to a family member of one of these groups. another case of wanting revenge. any they claim this site is unethical, they wanna take a look in the mirror!!!

This sounds awful and I'm having trouble understanding how one could go on and take it that far...and that 2 people were affected by horrible trolls. Terrible.

 

[littlelungs]

the pro lifers should try telling that to the people that have been raped/molested or that have terminal illness's etc .....i think they would disagree

Right? I would lose my everloving mind if someone said that to me.

I spent over 20 years in therapy. I've tried every treatment that has been accessible to me. I've seen more health professionals than I could possibly list. I've pissed into so many cups, filled so many vials with my blood, had god knows how many different things injected into my arms, legs, back and ass, been tipped upside down on so many different medical machines, been poked and prodded with so many different medical tools, and taken so many goddamn pills, disgusting drinks, supplements etc that I'm probably a walking chemical experiment by now. I've been hypnotized, I've visited naturopaths, I've done drugs, I've drunk myself stupid, I've attended those quack seminars, I've exercised (which only made my physical condition significantly worse)... it just goes on and on and ON, and it eventually gets to the point where, even if things could theoretically get better in the future, what I know for sure right now is that things have only ever been downhill for me, and that I'm not going to sit around and suffer for an indefinite amount of time on the off-chance that hell's gonna freeze over and that things will get better enough for me to want to keep going. I've suffered for long enough.

Of course, people can have whatever opinion they want on the matter, whether it's pro-life, pro-choice or otherwise, and such (civil) discussions like these can be incredibly valuable, but at soon as someone – who has absolutely NO idea what I've been through and how much suffering comes with me simply existing – tells me how to deal with it, offers me generic solutions and unsolicited advice, and/or tells me that "life is a gift" or "it gets better with time", this is where I really start to have a problem, because this is simply not the reality for me, and unfortunately many others.

I'd love to trade places with some anti-choicers or those who spout the usual platitudes about "learning how to dance in the rain" or "life is what you make of it", and I'd be willing to bet my left tit that, after an hour of being in my shoes, or those of anyone else who has been suffering so badly to the point they make the (often incredibly difficult) decision to end their life, they'd see REAL QUICK that, for many, life is far from a gift, and that for some, things can't get better, and that even if they could, there's only so much suffering a person can take for so long. Any dignity that I once had was stripped from me a LONG time ago, and I really don't think I'm asking for much when I say that I, at the very least, would like to have the option to access a dignified death, or at the bare minimum, not have someone tell me what I ought to do with my own body that has given me hell practically my whole life.

"Any situation can improve with time." Coming from a person who's been molested/raped/abused in every way, shape and form, is sick with a severe chronic illness that has no known cure alongside a whole other list of other physical/psychological problems, has a permanently messed up spine from having the living fuck beaten out of them when their body was still developing, has severe PTSD that can be triggered at any moment, etc ETCETERA... god, I SO wish that that were true.

 

[checkouttime]

Right? I would lose my everloving mind if someone said that to me.

I spent over 20 years in therapy. I've tried every treatment that has been accessible to me. I've seen more health professionals than I could possibly list. I've pissed into so many cups, filled so many vials with my blood, had god knows how many different things injected into my arms, legs, back and ass, been tipped upside down on so many different medical machines, been poked and prodded with so many different medical tools, and taken so many goddamn pills, disgusting drinks, supplements etc that I'm probably a walking chemical experiment by now. I've been hypnotized, I've visited naturopaths, I've done drugs, I've drunk myself stupid, I've attended those quack seminars, I've exercised (which only made my physical condition significantly worse)... it just goes on and on and ON, and it eventually gets to the point where, even if things could theoretically get better in the future, what I know for sure right now is that things have only ever been downhill for me, and that I'm not going to sit around and suffer for an indefinite amount of time on the off-chance that hell's gonna freeze over and that things will get better enough for me to want to keep going. I've suffered for long enough.

Of course, people can have whatever opinion they want on the matter, whether it's pro-life, pro-choice or otherwise, and such (civil) discussions like these can be incredibly valuable, but at soon as someone – who has absolutely NO idea what I've been through and how much suffering comes with me simply existing – tells me how to deal with it, offers me generic solutions and unsolicited advice, and/or tells me that "life is a gift" or "it gets better with time", this is where I really start to have a problem, because this is simply not the reality for me, and unfortunately many others.

I'd love to trade places with some anti-choicers or those who spout the usual platitudes about "learning how to dance in the rain" or "life is what you make of it", and I'd be willing to bet my left tit that, after an hour of being in my shoes, or those of anyone else who has been suffering so badly to the point they make the (often incredibly difficult) decision to end their life, they'd see REAL QUICK that, for many, life is far from a gift, and that for some, things can't get better, and that even if they could, there's only so much suffering a person can take for so long. Any dignity that I once had was stripped from me a LONG time ago, and I really don't think I'm asking for much when I say that I, at the very least, would like to have the option to access a dignified death, or at the bare minimum, not have someone tell me what I ought to do with my own body that has given me hell practically my whole life.

"Any situation can improve with time." Coming from a person who's been molested/raped/abused in every way, shape and form, is sick with a severe chronic illness that has no known cure alongside a whole other list of other physical/psychological problems, has a permanently messed up spine from having the living fuck beaten out of them when their body was still developing, has severe PTSD that can be triggered at any moment, etc ETCETERA... god, I SO wish that that were true.

Even if a person has been through the same type of situation or is in the same circumstance. they will never truly understand how another human being feels, its impossible as every person is unique and will react to each circumstance differently. Also like you mentioned, things could get better for some people, but some people aren't interested in waiting for it to happen or don't even want it to happen. I have a guaranteed job if i wanted it, i could walk straight into a £50,000 + job tomorrow, but i don't want to. thats my decision to make though and what i choose. now i'm not saying money is the answer as alot of people it has nothing to do with money, it doesn't for me. but i was just making a point in how i could improve my life in a flash, but i'm not bothered. I'm quite happy in how my life as played out and am not interested in 'making it better'.