Venting Pro-life narratives/agendas piss me off so much

[Ricoshay]

It's obvious why countries/societies around the world push the whole "life is a gift" shtick, they need their servants to work and make the rich bastards/corporations richer. That's the real reason why nearly every country does everything in their power to stop suicide methods and try to contain it like some sort of disease. Not because they actually value human life. Over 7 billion people are competing for 15% (shrinking by the day) of the world's wealth and resources, a large chunk are GUARANTEED to lose out in the rat race. So we already know many people aren't living their best quality of life all because of human greed. Even if you want to argue material possessions aren't everything, loneliness (now considered a global epidemic) and suicidal rates is on a steady rise. They are all connected, people who don't have the money are more likely to stay at home or work multiple jobs and not have the time to make new relationships/develop existing connections. So physical, emotional, and spiritual wellbeing are all going south globally.

Then there's the individual pro-lifer, when I ask them this simple question: "Did I ask to be born?" They always answer, "No, you didn't." Ok, then why the fuck can't I choose to exit on my own damn terms then? Then I'm met with every variation of "but life is a gift!" or "It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem!" Not every problem is temporary, did you people know that chronic, lifelong illnesses and physical disabilities exist? So a permanent solution to a permanent problem is a GOOD thing. Even if the problems are temporary, it's still none of your damn business what people do with THEIR LIVES. If a stranger on the internet was gifted a scarf and they said they don't wear it because they never asked for it and don't like it, would most people care? No. So if someone says they want to throw away the "gift" of life because they never asked for it and are not having a good time. Why does it suddenly matter? And no, it's not selfish. Selfish is wanting a person to exist and suffer just to keep you happy. Non-existence is literally the most peaceful place to be, where you don't have to worry about fulfilling any needs, wants, or obligations. Just because there are people who enjoy life aka have all their voids filled, doesn't mean everybody else has the same opportunities. A large part of it, if not all of it is based on luck when you live in chaos after all. Accidents and misfortunes also happen, meaning there is no guarantee someone stays joyful for the rest of their lives.

Not to mention, a person dying of their own free will alleviates not only their own suffering but benefits others who are living as well; that's one less person to feed/compete with for wealth, lowers the carbon footprint, one less person to compete with to find love etc. Yes, just living and breathing causes suffering to others. So while most suicidal people just want the pain to end, there are still benefits for the ones alive. However, suicide should neither be encouraged or shunned, just accepted like it should have always been on Day 1! Even apathy towards suicide is infinitely better than the pro-life garbage pushed by the rich elites onto tv screens and schools.

I think pro-lifers just have this crab-in-the-bucket mentality personally, they know this Earth is a living Hell and just want others to rot with them. If you think life is truly a gift,then go live it and leave us suicidal/vulnerable people alone. There are people out there, who are living in poor conditions but still want to live, why don't you go help them? Too much effort apparently.

 

[ilovenewyork]

Non-existence is literally the most peaceful place to be, where you don't have to worry about fulfilling any needs, wants, or obligations.

To appreciate peace or the absence of needs, wants, or obligations, you have to exist. You need to be conscious.

 

[Mors.Mors.Mors]

To appreciate peace or the absence of needs, wants, or obligations, you have to exist. You need to be conscious.

No need for one thing nor the other if there happens there is no consciousness in the first place. The parent of all horrors, consciousness.

 

[pony No.2]

It's obvious why countries/societies around the world push the whole "life is a gift" shtick, they need their servants to work and make the rich bastards/corporations richer. That's the real reason why nearly every country does everything in their power to stop suicide methods and try to contain it like some sort of disease. Not because they actually value human life. Over 7 billion people are competing for 15% (shrinking by the day) of the world's wealth and resources, a large chunk are GUARANTEED to lose out in the rat race. So we already know many people aren't living their best quality of life all because of human greed. Even if you want to argue material possessions aren't everything, loneliness (now considered a global epidemic) and suicidal rates is on a steady rise. They are all connected, people who don't have the money are more likely to stay at home or work multiple jobs and not have the time to make new relationships/develop existing connections. So physical, emotional, and spiritual wellbeing are all going south globally.

Then there's the individual pro-lifer, when I ask them this simple question: "Did I ask to be born?" They always answer, "No, you didn't." Ok, then why the fuck can't I choose to exit on my own damn terms then? Then I'm met with every variation of "but life is a gift!" or "It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem!" Not every problem is temporary, did you people know that chronic, lifelong illnesses and physical disabilities exist? So a permanent solution to a permanent problem is a GOOD thing. Even if the problems are temporary, it's still none of your damn business what people do with THEIR LIVES. If a stranger on the internet was gifted a scarf and they said they don't wear it because they never asked for it and don't like it, would most people care? No. So if someone says they want to throw away the "gift" of life because they never asked for it and are not having a good time. Why does it suddenly matter? And no, it's not selfish. Selfish is wanting a person to exist and suffer just to keep you happy. Non-existence is literally the most peaceful place to be, where you don't have to worry about fulfilling any needs, wants, or obligations. Just because there are people who enjoy life aka have all their voids filled, doesn't mean everybody else has the same opportunities. A large part of it, if not all of it is based on luck when you live in chaos after all. Accidents and misfortunes also happen, meaning there is no guarantee someone stays joyful for the rest of their lives.

Not to mention, a person dying of their own free will alleviates not only their own suffering but benefits others who are living as well; that's one less person to feed/compete with for wealth, lowers the carbon footprint, one less person to compete with to find love etc. Yes, just living and breathing causes suffering to others. So while most suicidal people just want the pain to end, there are still benefits for the ones alive. However, suicide should neither be encouraged or shunned, just accepted like it should have always been on Day 1! Even apathy towards suicide is infinitely better than the pro-life garbage pushed by the rich elites onto tv screens and schools.

I think pro-lifers just have this crab-in-the-bucket mentality personally, they know this Earth is a living Hell and just want others to rot with them. If you think life is truly a gift,then go live it and leave us suicidal/vulnerable people alone. There are people out there, who are living in poor conditions but still want to live, why don't you go help them? Too much effort apparently.

Yeah I agree with everything you've said, another one I hear is "It gets better" when that really depends on several factors in your life and the person themselves. And by better what exactly do they mean? Are they talking about situations that take very long to get out of that can make you depressed while dealing with them? Or you getting "better" by temporarily not being suicidal? These people assume that everyone can be saved. Not everyone is cut out for dealing with the stressors and problems throughout life, and they can't accept that because they care more about preserving life and convincing you to live rather than the root cause.

 

[FuneralCry]

I understand, there's just so much terrible extreme cruelty in how these people do all they can to force others to suffer against their wishes in this existence so torturous and futile even know this existence was imposed in the first place. All these people want is for others to be tortured and trapped for as long as possible in this dreadful horrific world where there is all this endless suffering with no limit as to how much one can be tortured, all that these people do is just cause way more suffering, it's all so terrible.

 

[Ricoshay]

Yeah I agree with everything you've said, another one I hear is "It gets better" when that really depends on several factors in your life and the person themselves. And by better what exactly do they mean? Are they talking about situations that take very long to get out of that can make you depressed while dealing with them? Or you getting "better" by temporarily not being suicidal? These people assume that everyone can be saved. Not everyone is cut out for dealing with the stressors and problems throughout life, and they can't accept that because they care more about preserving life and convincing you to live rather than the root cause.

Nearly forgot about that one, seems to be the go-to for psychologists/psychiatrists...like they all think they have psychic abilities and can predict the future. I was told this years ago, now family members, friends and gf all left me because they were freaked out when I said I hear demon voices, which of course made the voices worse. 10 damn voices in my head blaring off at once sometimes. Not a single person stayed by me. That's "better", yea, it's going to be better once I leave this Hell behind forever. They say that because they just want to pat themselves on the back and think they've done a good thing. Yet, won't lift a finger to actually put in the effort to help those that actually need their help, once they realise true kindess takes their resources and time.

 

[Leidensgenosse]

Honestly telling a suffering person 'it gets better' should be a legally binding statement. If it remains the same or gets worse you now owe them financial compensation for false advertising. As it is it's just a thought terminating cliche they can throw at you to end the conversation and never think about it again. Notable that they never specify 'how' it's supposed to get better, the same way nobody actually offers alternative solutions to your 'temporary' problems. They put it back on you to figure out yourself.

 

[Forever Sleep]

The more confusing thing to me is why people choose to bring children here in the first place. Especially if they are already struggling themselves. If they can already see what life is like- why inflict that on someone you claim you love and want to protect?

 

[whywere]

I 100% agree with @Forever Sleep ,as I have genetic depression, BPD and a host of other mental health issues and have kids and have them be tortured by genetics? Heavens NO!

After finding out that I had a great aunt "use" a gun on herself and another being locked up for life as a "guest" of the state and then bring that hell upon others? NO, NO, NO!

I am 70 and I have had for the last 50 or so years ALWAYS have had that question thrown in my face of: No kids? Why?

It is the same as other genetic diseases like type 1 diabetes and the like. Have kids and have that hanging over their heads HELL NO!

I had a classmate in high school who had type 1 inherited diabetes and before he passed on, he lost both of his legs and arms to the damn genetic disease and yes, he had kids.

I always told myself that my crappy genes move on from this earth without effecting some other poor soul.

Walter

 

[Liebestod]

Life is an imposition and the only purpose children have to parents (slave owners) is to propagate the dominant cultural values in a society. Civilization can only be maintained through the constant cultural indoctrination of children so that they'll accept it for what it is.

 

[StarryEyed]

Thank you, @rickoshay.

It's obvious why countries/societies around the world push the whole "life is a gift" shtick, they need their servants to work and make the rich bastards/corporations richer. That's the real reason why nearly every country does everything in their power to stop suicide methods and try to contain it like some sort of disease. Not because they actually value human life. Over 7 billion people are competing for 15% (shrinking by the day) of the world's wealth and resources, a large chunk are GUARANTEED to lose out in the rat race. So we already know many people aren't living their best quality of life all because of human greed. Even if you want to argue material possessions aren't everything, loneliness (now considered a global epidemic) and suicidal rates is on a steady rise. They are all connected, people who don't have the money are more likely to stay at home or work multiple jobs and not have the time to make new relationships/develop existing connections. So physical, emotional, and spiritual wellbeing are all going south globally.

Then there's the individual pro-lifer, when I ask them this simple question: "Did I ask to be born?" They always answer, "No, you didn't." Ok, then why the fuck can't I choose to exit on my own damn terms then? Then I'm met with every variation of "but life is a gift!" or "It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem!" Not every problem is temporary, did you people know that chronic, lifelong illnesses and physical disabilities exist? So a permanent solution to a permanent problem is a GOOD thing. Even if the problems are temporary, it's still none of your damn business what people do with THEIR LIVES. If a stranger on the internet was gifted a scarf and they said they don't wear it because they never asked for it and don't like it, would most people care? No. So if someone says they want to throw away the "gift" of life because they never asked for it and are not having a good time. Why does it suddenly matter? And no, it's not selfish. Selfish is wanting a person to exist and suffer just to keep you happy. Non-existence is literally the most peaceful place to be, where you don't have to worry about fulfilling any needs, wants, or obligations. Just because there are people who enjoy life aka have all their voids filled, doesn't mean everybody else has the same opportunities. A large part of it, if not all of it is based on luck when you live in chaos after all. Accidents and misfortunes also happen, meaning there is no guarantee someone stays joyful for the rest of their lives.

Not to mention, a person dying of their own free will alleviates not only their own suffering but benefits others who are living as well; that's one less person to feed/compete with for wealth, lowers the carbon footprint, one less person to compete with to find love etc. Yes, just living and breathing causes suffering to others. So while most suicidal people just want the pain to end, there are still benefits for the ones alive. However, suicide should neither be encouraged or shunned, just accepted like it should have always been on Day 1! Even apathy towards suicide is infinitely better than the pro-life garbage pushed by the rich elites onto tv screens and schools.

I think pro-lifers just have this crab-in-the-bucket mentality personally, they know this Earth is a living Hell and just want others to rot with them. If you think life is truly a gift,then go live it and leave us suicidal/vulnerable people alone. There are people out there, who are living in poor conditions but still want to live, why don't you go help them? Too much effort apparently.

Thank you. Absolutely perfectly put. I hate how for my whole life people have been saying how life is a gift and it makes me want to scream because my life has been fucking hell from day one, for 62 years. And they keep ramming their hope down my choking asphyxiated throat. Asphyxiated from all the torture rammed down my throat. And the other day I was telling the secretary of my osteopath how I am struggling and she said, But life is a gift. And for the first time I just, as a new reflex, immediately said, Your life is, but mine isn't. That's my new line. It's my most civil fuck you. Gawd just take me away! My guess is you're gone by now, with such clarity you write with here.

 

[StarryEyed]

(Silly me! Just dismiss the last sentence, as I was looking at your join date as your post date.)