ReadyasEver

ReadyasEver

Elementalist
Dec 6, 2018
828
I don't think IQ tests are worthless. I also don't dispute their predictive value in the areas mentioned of education level, occupation level, income level, and job performance. My issue with them is the numbers they generate don't exist in a vacuum. They have societal consequences and those consequences have ramifications on various demographics that result in unwholesome outcomes both in the past and present. Especially now amongst people with learning difficulties, who through these tests then get pushed into 'special classes' they are far too intelligent for. Wind up bored out their skull and essentially give up, becoming the very thing they have been assigned as. Even if that pigeonholing has been arrived at erroneously due to them simply being deficient in certain areas. That is one of my main gripes. Plenty of geniuses have existed that demonstrates this issue, failures academically but revolutionaries nonetheless.

There are also dangers in these numbers and the value that may well be placed on them. So much so they had to be legislated against in the realm of employment in some countries. Ironically, the thing they are good at measuring success for. We don't need more discriminatory tools. It's bad enough being too old for a job, to overqualified for a job, without being told your IQ number means you can't be employed by us or we have to let you go. If people want to use IQ scores as a dick waving contests to get into Mensa fine, I don't care about that. But I do care about people being thrown on scrap heaps because of arbitrary tests that don't take into account the wide range and sorts of intelligence. IQ tests also do not take into account the barriers to education. I really detest labelling culture in general. I think we would be better served if IQ tests were renamed puzzle tests.

Here, here. They can be used to be predictive in some instances, but never ever as a decision making factor or to draw conclusions.
 
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Mrs.O'Leary'sCow

Mrs.O'Leary'sCow

SanitizingDeodorantCakes
Aug 20, 2018
305
Wow. Just wow.
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WayOut

WayOut

Experienced
Oct 26, 2018
281
People still believe in superstition, genital mutilation, and not being able to understand why things happen. They just make up their own ideas which can be pretty scary.
A bit harsh. All those christians and jewish people in the US mean well.
 
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JustAboutDone

Illuminated
Jan 1, 2019
3,532
I would like to award @Chinaski a small bar of dark chocolate for his outstanding self-control

@Smilla receives a glass of her preferred Mountain Dew for similar
 
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Othermind

Othermind

Specialist
Dec 26, 2018
301
They matter, even the military uses or used them to determine which men would go to the front lines. Basically they would send the less intelligent guys to the front lines. They matter insofar as to determine what your abilities are when it comes to employment and creating stuff, inventions, civilization. The lower the iqs the more likely the people will not be very advanced with regards to these things. I know we are all intrinsically valuable no matter your IQ, but it does matter if you want the modern comforts and technology that we have been able to achieve. Nobody really wants to move to Subsaharan Africa for the most part and it's because the average IQs are like in the 70's. People still believe in superstition, genital mutilation, and not being able to understand why things happen. They just make up their own ideas which can be pretty scary.
I get it that gobbling right-wing propaganda is kind of a crutch to you, and maybe it helps you get through the day or something but can you at the very least try and refrain from regurgitating it here 24/7 in every thread? There's people who are hurting here who might feel unwelcome in what is supposed to be a safe haven because of this stuff, hell they had to close down a thread the other day because you made it so toxic.
I don't mean to say you should not speak your mind ever again, just tone it down ffs.
 
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Johnnythefox

Johnnythefox

Que sera sera
Nov 11, 2018
3,129
@Johnnythefox Brother I have seen some low scores in my day...but 6? I'd have at least expected double digits from you and don't really think you tried very hard.
I only answered the one question and then it timed out.
 
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Firecaste

Firecaste

Experienced
Jan 5, 2019
216
Late 60's early 70's. The Beatles were a good band.
 
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Sixfeetunder

Sixfeetunder

Specialist
Jan 12, 2019
319
Probably below average
 
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Johnnythefox

Johnnythefox

Que sera sera
Nov 11, 2018
3,129
5 feet 8 inches
 
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Life sucks

Visionary
Apr 18, 2018
2,136
Intelligence isn't something like length and size and assigning an unrelated integer as a measurement to uncertain thing is absurd and inaccurate. And I don't care about this number. Brain is similar to muscle, sure some has genetic advantage but it means nothing if one doesn't think and put efforts and train it, it can improve and it can decay. And this can apply to many of the other brain functions and not "intelligence" only.

And no you don't need to be "smart" to delve in mathematics. I never consider myself smart and can think about it because of efforts and keep trying to know and understand. Actually you underestimate yourself, if you fail to understand something once or give a wrong answer, don't blame yourself and keep learning and improving. I've lied about myself in my whole life as a lesser person because of the crappy academics and exam results. Then when I read and think about it freely and putting effort to understand, I became better in understanding. I spent years believing in myself and improving and thinking logically instead of blaming myself and the shitty academic results and superficial stuff.
 
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Logic

Student
Dec 20, 2018
172
Mine 115. I'm pretty god damned stupid though.

IQ is a garbage way of measuring human intelligence. It has always seemed to be odd that we like to call the human brain the most complex supercomputer existence we know of by far, yet many of us are still prepared to accept that we can measure brain function by doing a few so-called IQ tests.

IQ is in innacurrate way to measure how smart you are because IQ mostly measures your memory and how much junk you know, rather than the size of the frontal lobes of your brain/how efficient they are and so on, which will indicate your cognitive capabilities. That part of the brain is the only thing that differs us from apes (and not even close to all of us). You can have flawless memory and know a lot of bullshit but still have the cognitive abilities of a chimp.
 
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Help_Me

Help_Me

Gene pool mistake
Oct 21, 2018
516
It was just 100 last time I checked it, but this does not really affect me, cause I personally think IQ tests is not a reliable way to tell something real about human intelligence. However, I find myself pretty decent human specie and think I am stupid enough) But as for IQ tests, I am more to share @Logic 's opinion. Those low IQ results should not be another reason to be worried of.
 
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Logic

Student
Dec 20, 2018
172
It was just 100 last time I checked it, but this does not really affect me, cause I personally think IQ tests is not a reliable way to tell something real about human intelligence. However, I find myself pretty decent human specie and think I am stupid enough) But as for IQ tests, I am more to share @Logic 's opinion. Those low IQ results should not be another reason to be worried of.

I know many geniuses in real life according to IQ test. They generally are morons in many areas and were very motivated to take the iq test. What they don't tell you is motivation/habbits can effect your iq score significantly. The most important factor in success is life is generally grit.
 
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Exile

Predator, criminal, emotional blackmailer
Jan 28, 2019
181
Checking charts of a university entrance exam against IQ scores, I'm at 148. In related professionally applied tests, I've always been in the top percentile for everything except spatial relations.
 
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Meretlein

Meretlein

Moderator
Feb 15, 2019
1,199
I don't remember my full scale IQ but my spatial IQ and verbal IQ were about 60 points apart.
 
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Deleted member 1768

Enlightened
Aug 15, 2018
1,107
Last time it was measured 199, but IQ is just knowledge based. The more you know the higher it goes.
 

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