Unpopular opinion about suicide

[Sundayafternoon]

Having a precondition for "allowing" suicide always seems so reasonable, but it seems to end with having to justify your desire to die before some kind of board of inquiry. I do not think I could stomach meeting with some kind of panel to debate the topic.

Exactly. It's my life. Why is it necessary to justify why i don't want it. How about they all ask my dad why he thought it was necessary for me to exist if he wasn't going to take care of me and in turn provide me with a good shot at enjoying this bs game. Ask HIM why it made sense to procreate with a woman that suffered from depression, bipolar and drug addiction. Ask him why he didn't atleast pull out after hearing her say from her own mouth that she hates life and doesn't plan to live past forty.

Don't ask me any Goddamn questions. I don't want this life. Full stop!

 

[bigj75]

???

Another person who can't grasp what I'm saying?

I mean are you saying we chose to be born?

 

[Xerxes]

Why couldn't I have chosen to be born as a strapping, successful young man with rich parents....but nope I'm stuck in a skinny asian guy with drug addicted father and a prostitute mom.

 

[creationisdeath]

I dont think it's right to kill yourself unless you have a chronic or terminal physical illness that causes pain or unbearable suffering.

This is mostly in line with the Dutch euthanasia laws or swiss laws.

I do however support your right to end your life and believe you should have access to nembutal for a painless exit.

I have schizophrenia and wanted to kill myself but ended up with a terrible physical condition that made me see that even with schizophrenia life is inherently valuable. But now due to this illness I have one week left until I exit.

I'm sorry for you, but suffering doesn't have to be physical in origin to be unbearable.

 

[Wannadie]

It's not true that that's the view of the Dutch euthanasia law. You can get euthanasia with a mental illness too, as long as it's clear that you are suffering unbearably and there are no treatment options left. Just wanted to add this

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

Unless there is actual evidence for this I don't need to believe it.


To OP:

I believe that life has value of course but unless I can or people are willing to help people and I mean actually help people by providing them with what they need. Then I don't want to hear about life having any sort of value when we don't value people in meaningful ways.

Do we as a society provide housing for the homeless?
Do we as a society provide food and shelter for starving people?

If the answer is no not really or really poorly then is there truly value in human life?

The funny thing is that even if one believes in reincarnation, his claim still makes no sense, because those "reincarnated souls" or whatever (in that scenario) would still need a vehiecule and senses to go and suffer through life, and this vehicle can only be given through procreatoion. Therefore even if reincarnation exists, it still doesn't excuse the parents, unless you assume that those souls suffer in the realm where they are more than they suffer in their bodies, but this is an ADDITIONAL ASSUMPTION that one have to prove, even if we assume reincarnation exists, it's still an additional assumption.

Additionaly : based on what priors/knowledge/experience do those "souls" or "potentialities" or whatever make their decision to be "born" ?

 

[creationisdeath]

It's not true that that's the view of the Dutch euthanasia law. You can get euthanasia with a mental illness too, as long as it's clear that you are suffering unbearably and there are no treatment options left. Just wanted to add this

Unfortunately that isn't realistic as a doctor has to sign it off. Don't think it ever occurred for that reason.

 

[Dani Paradox]

Talking to a brick wall guys, don't bother

Lol. Maybe learn how to have a conversation normally without immediately bullying and ganging up on someone. You guys are the brick wall. Covered in poisonous vines with scorching flames blowing over the top. And no...I'm not going to bother anymore. This is a pointless conversation with most of you people. Hell, it's not even a conversation. Even a simple statement of spiritual knowledge is met with a brutal attack from an angry mob. Disrespect and pure vile hatred. Fucking insanity. I'm the one talking to a brick wall. It's pointless, and I'm not going to bother anymore.

Blessings.

 

[Sundayafternoon]

I'm sorry for you, but suffering doesn't have to be physical in origin to be unbearable.

Not to mention physical suffering, if endured long enough, will morph into mental suffering.

Should physical suffers be denied relief because it's only their brain telling them the pain is unbearable. Rhetorical question of course.

 

[MAIO]

How is this opinion unpopular ? It's the most simplistic yet status-quo and consensus society view (minus the respecting others right to suicide)

Simplistic because it assumes but doesn't specitfy why the suffering cause by physical illness should factor more than mental pain or disgust with life.

Ditto. It's a shame so many people believe in this nonsense (my own mother is one of them).

Believing in visits from ghost, angels or God(s) in perfectly normal and reasonable, but if you question if life is worth it you are insaine.

 

[Dani Paradox]

I mean are you saying we chose to be born?

Just sharing my own beliefs. Yes, I believe our spirits are eternal, and we continually reincarnate into different lives or perhaps as different versions of ourselves...as our spirits "level up" and gain spiritual knowledge. I believe our higher selves choose these lives before we return, as each life is a new and unique, intelligent test that is beneficial to our spiritual growth. I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone. All I did was share my beliefs and I was attacked by an angry mob.

 

[Retched]

To make ME feel better about MYself? Good one lol you're the one bullying me because you didn't like my response.

Not replying to the right post but I used to think that we assigned ourselves to a life. As I grow older though, I have lost all hope of the reincarnation thing and that we "choose" to come back. I used to say we filled out bubble sheets with a number two pencil and were assigned our life the way we filled out the form. Now? The thought terrifies me. Why would I choose to go through all of this and be in my mid-life (but if this is only half way through my life, someone shoot me now) and why would I have put myself through so much anguish? I can't fathom that belief anymore, but totally get why you believe it. On the downside, there are a lot of people who believe if one dies by their own hand then your next life is just a sucky version of the one you lived in this life, or some go as far as saying that how you commit suicide will fashion how you live your next life.

 

[Dani Paradox]

Why couldn't I have chosen to be born as a strapping, successful young man with rich parents....but nope I'm stuck in a skinny asian guy with drug addicted father and a prostitute mom.

And what would you have learned from such an easy life?? Pain exists to wake you up and teach you things. People with such easy lives just flow right through. Rich and successful people like that are often scummy assholes who think their shit doesn't stink and they are totally clueless about existence. They go their whole lives chasing money and then when they're on their death bed they realize that it was all meaningless, and they're filled with regret over the fact that they wasted their lives and forgot to even live.

 

[Retched]

And what would you have learned from such an easy life?? Pain exists to wake you up and teach you things. People with such easy lives just flow right through. Rich and successful people like that are often scummy assholes who think their shit doesn't stink and they are totally clueless about existence. They go their whole lives chasing money and then when they're on their death bed they realize that it was all meaningless, and they're filled with regret over the fact that they wasted their lives and forgot to even live.

That doesn't make me feel any better.

 

[Dani Paradox]

Not replying to the right post but I used to think that we assigned ourselves to a life. As I grow older though, I have lost all hope of the reincarnation thing and that we "choose" to come back. I used to say we filled out bubble sheets with a number two pencil and were assigned our life the way we filled out the form. Now? The thought terrifies me. Why would I choose to go through all of this and be in my mid-life (but if this is only half way through my life, someone shoot me now) and why would I have put myself through so much anguish? I can't fathom that belief anymore, but totally get why you believe it. On the downside, there are a lot of people who believe if one dies by their own hand then your next life is just a sucky version of the one you lived in this life, or some go as far as saying that how you commit suicide will fashion how you live your next life.

Have you considered the possibility that you did in fact choose this life, and yet failed the test? That is the way that I view mine. I do not believe that our fates are predetermined. But rather, life is an intelligent test. The choices that you make are very important. You can either pass, or you can fail. I was on the right track and everything was happening perfectly....just the way it should have. And I reached the point where I came to a crossroad, and I had to make a left or a right. I should have made a left. But I didn't. I made a right, and it led me to a dead end. I failed. This is not what I chose for myself. It's all wrong. I chose these parents, and I chose this life...but I did not choose this. This wasn't supposed to happen. I failed.

 

[Dani Paradox]

Unfortunately that isn't realistic as a doctor has to sign it off. Don't think it ever occurred for that reason.

Doctors at Dignitas sign it off. It's just a long process. If you choose to handle it all right at Dignitas then you have to plan on living in Switzerland for three months or so to go through the evaluation process.

 

[Retched]

Exactly. It's my life. Why is it necessary to justify why i don't want it. How about they all ask my dad why he thought it was necessary for me to exist if he wasn't going to take care of me and in turn provide me with a good shot at enjoying this bs game. Ask HIM why it made sense to procreate with a woman that suffered from depression, bipolar and drug addiction. Ask him why he didn't atleast pull out after hearing her say from her own mouth that she hates life and doesn't plan to live past forty.

Don't ask me any Goddamn questions. I don't want this life. Full stop!

Are you my long l

Have you considered the possibility that you did in fact choose this life, and yet failed the test? That is the way that I view mine. I do not believe that our fates are predetermined. But rather, life is an intelligent test. The choices that you make are very important. You can either pass, or you can fail. I was on the right track and everything was happening perfectly....just the way it should have. And I reached the point where I came to a crossroad, and I had to make a left or a right. I should have made a left. But I didn't. I made a right, and it led me to a dead end. I failed. This is not what I chose for myself. It's all wrong. I chose these parents, and I chose this life...but I did not choose this. This wasn't supposed to happen. I failed.

Naw. I don't think I failed. I think I was conditioned to think the way I do and I was fucked in the head by psychiatric drugs. I shame myself a lot, but don't think I failed at a predetermined life. There are too many other factors that play into it. And what constitutes a failure in one person's eyes may be success in another's.

 

[Sundayafternoon]

LOL everything out of your mouth is a projection. I'm the one with a lack of empathy? I'm "entitled" to call someone out for being full of hatred, but you're NOT entitled for bullying me with your response and "calling out my bullshit"? And yes spirits choose their incarnations to learn from the experience. Pain teaches you things. You are far too twisted to have this discussion with. I will pray for you and send healing energy to your soul.

Dani, i hope you aren't over this discussion. I'm not picking on you. I think it's interesting and I'm curious to understand. I actually held this same belief for a short amount of time. I genuinely thought i had to be on my last life because i am so over it.

But things started to not add up. I just want to know if you've grappled with any of the questions that caused me to dismiss the idea.

Where do our spirits reside before making the choice to incarnate in a physical form?

Did my preself (spirit) always exist? If so, Is it possible to determine what number life your on?

How do the lessons learned benefit me after I've died? Will I be reincarnated? Do I get a better set of circumstances to choose from? Will i remember the lessons learned in my previous life? Is there no option to opt out of participation?

Someone mentioned babies being tortured and raped. I think asking if that baby chose that life? A life no one else (sans the sadistic fucks that get off on that) would choose for anyone let alone a baby.

I was molested before i could talk. And it didn't stop (being frequent) until i was 11 or so. I can't imagine i chose that for myself. My life has been nothing but misery. Why would one choose this?

Again, I'm not being combative. I really would like to hear your opinion.

 

[Retched]

Dani, i hope you aren't over this discussion. I'm not picking on you. I think it's interesting and I'm curious to understand. I actually held this same belief for a short amount of time. I genuinely thought i had to be on my last life because i am so over it.

But things started to not add up. I just want to know if you've grappled with any of the questions that caused me to dismiss the idea.

Where do our spirits reside before making the choice to incarnate in a physical form?

Did my preself (spirit) always exist? If so, Is it possible to determine what number life your on?

How do the lessons learned benefit me after I've died? Will I be reincarnated? Do I get a better set of circumstances to choose from? Will i remember the lessons learned in my previous life? Is there no option to opt out of participation?

Someone mentioned babies being tortured and raped. I think asking if that baby chose that life? A life no one else (sans the sadistic fucks that get off on that) would choose for anyone let alone a baby.

I was molested before i could talk. And it didn't stop (being frequent) until i was 11 or so. I can't imagine i chose that for myself. My life has been nothing but misery. Why would one choose this?

Again, I'm not being combative. I really would like to hear your opinion.

Sorry to hear about your story. I don't think you chose that life for yourself. And I don't think you failed at anything either. I hope there is a chance to opt out. My mother believes in the whole reincarnation thing. I no longer do. I just want to fade into the void of nothing. No more living.

 

[Dani Paradox]

I think it just comes down to belief system and/or conditioning. Life has as much meaning as someone is willing to attach to it, or has accepted as part of their faith.

If you believe the Michael Newton stuff, you believe in Dani Paradox's theory. If you're religious, you are spoon fed the value of life from the moment you are born.

So is it naive or bullshit to believe in this stuff? Who's to say.

Perhaps blindly accepting any of it without proof is silly, but forcing your belief on to others certainly is.

Life having meaning can be as straightforward as fear of hurting those around us if we ctb. Our deaths will hurt our families, so life is valuable. That's a little basic for me, but I think it's the cornerstone of why so many of us keep living.

I wasn't conditioned to believe anything. I began my spiritual journey at 14 all on my own and discovered myself. I developed my own belief system. What's interesting is that all of those who set out on a journey in search of the Truth always seem to come back saying mostly the same thing. The intuitive mind is a sacred gift. I don't need proof for what I can feel in my heart and soul. I see God all around me. I see Love. It's the ways of the world that are cold. All else that is shrugged off by many as "spiritual/mystical hocus pocus" I have way more than enough first hand experience with to know that it is not bullshit. That's all the proof that I need.

 

[Sundayafternoon]

Are you my long l

Naw. I don't think I failed. I think I was conditioned to think the way I do and I was fucked in the head by psychiatric drugs. I shame myself a lot, but don't think I failed at a predetermined life. There are too many other factors that play into it. And what constitutes a failure in one person's eyes may be success in another's.

Sorry to hear about your story. I don't think you chose that life for yourself. And I don't think you failed at anything either. I hope there is a chance to opt out. My mother believes in the whole reincarnation thing. I no longer do. I just want to fade into the void of nothing. No more living.

Long lost what?! The suspense is agonizing. Lol

Thank you for your kind words. I don't think any of us failed. There aren't any grades or prizes to be won.

I'm sorry for all the circumstances in your life that led you here.

Death will come!

 

[Retched]

Long lost what?! The suspense is agonizing. Lol

Thank you for your kind words. I don't think any of us failed. There aren't any grades or prizes to be won.

I'm sorry for all the circumstances in your life that led you here.

Death will come!

Lol long lost child?

 

[Retched]

Lol long lost child?

In relation to the thread it didn't make sense thought I erased it. . .

 

[Shewaitsforme]

If this is correct and i choose this then tbh it makes me feel even worse about myself Why would i want to be born into this, why? If this is correct then i see a whole line of people commiting suicide in a bid to 'level up'. Be a good suicide note tho, sorry im just levelling up.

Any emprical evidence i can look at, im actually interested.

 

[weedoge]

How can you end a post filled with vitriolic insults with a fake message of well wishes?

 

[weedoge]

How do you make a journey in search for The Truth?

I think we're all on that journey whether we realise it or not, until we die anyway

 

[Sundayafternoon]

I wasn't conditioned to believe anything. I began my spiritual journey at 14 all on my own and discovered myself. I developed my own belief system. What's interesting is that all of those who set out on a journey in search of the Truth always seem to come back saying mostly the same thing. The intuitive mind is a sacred gift. I don't need proof for what I can feel in my heart and soul. I see God all around me. I see Love. It's the ways of the world that are cold. All else that is shrugged off by many as "spiritual/mystical hocus pocus" I have way more than enough first hand experience with to know that it is not bullshit. That's all the proof that I need.

That's about the same time i started my journey. My little sister/cousin had just died and i had to leave Jersey. I didn't have friends but adults always seemed to gravitate towards me. The music teacher and a particular guidance counselor took a strong liking to me and gifted me two books.

"The game of life and how to play it"
"You can heal your life"

Those two led me down the path of reincarnation and the concept of choosing parents and circumstances. Fortunately
(or unfotunately, depending on who you ask) the more i read, the more i observed the lives of others, the more i deconstructed the bible and what I'd been taught about god and religion, the more questions i had. And the less it made sense.

Anyway, you're right. You aren't obligated to justify your beliefs to anyone as long as they don't harm others. You don't have to explain what helps you to dismiss the the aspects of your belief system that cause many to abandon it.

I was only curious to know how you overcame those logical hurdles.

 

[Sundayafternoon]

Lol long lost child?

Will you be my mother?!

 

[Dani Paradox]

Dani, i hope you aren't over this discussion. I'm not picking on you. I think it's interesting and I'm curious to understand. I actually held this same belief for a short amount of time. I genuinely thought i had to be on my last life because i am so over it.

But things started to not add up. I just want to know if you've grappled with any of the questions that caused me to dismiss the idea.

Where do our spirits reside before making the choice to incarnate in a physical form?

Did my preself (spirit) always exist? If so, Is it possible to determine what number life your on?

How do the lessons learned benefit me after I've died? Will I be reincarnated? Do I get a better set of circumstances to choose from? Will i remember the lessons learned in my previous life? Is there no option to opt out of participation?

Someone mentioned babies being tortured and raped. I think asking if that baby chose that life? A life no one else (sans the sadistic fucks that get off on that) would choose for anyone let alone a baby.

I was molested before i could talk. And it didn't stop (being frequent) until i was 11 or so. I can't imagine i chose that for myself. My life has been nothing but misery. Why would one choose this?

Again, I'm not being combative. I really would like to hear your opinion.

I'm sorry to hear about what happened to you. Though I never dealt with sexual abuse, my childhood was mostly terror. My mother was extremely physically and mentally abusive. She used to torment me. I didn't get away from her until I was about 12 and a half. Looking back, I am grateful for all of my pain and suffering as it has made me who I am today. I would live my entire life over again just to be given another chance.

I was always on the fence about astral projection because the idea of it sounds so....out there. Until I began experiencing spontaneous astral projection which opened up my eyes to whole different world. I never saw existence the same ever again. Mystics have said for thousands of years that upon death our spirits pass from the physical plane to the astral plane... So, the pieces just seem to fit together. I now also believe that is where I will end up. From there.....there is no way of knowing how many planes there, or what process our spirits may have to go through before we are ready to make a choice. I do personally believe that we can choose to not reincarnate again. We can choose to stay on the other side, or we can choose to be born again. But it's not "us" making that choice...it's our higher selves. I believe once we return to our higher selves we are able to remember everything...all of the different lives we have lived...lessons learned...people we knew...parents and children we've had...dreams, purposes...everything. I believe this is all divine, cosmic, quantum knowledge that exists within our DNA and helps to guide us through each incarnation. It is difficult to say what one would consider a "better set of circumstances," as the most difficult paths often lead to the most beautiful destinations. I, personally, would choose another troubling and abusive childhood. I love my life and who I am. If I had an easy childhood then I wouldn't have been who I am in the first place. So, really, it is subjective to an extent. But I do believe it is all connected and that each lived incarnation affects the next in one way or another...if your higher self does decide to continue. As you "level up" through incarnations your higher self evolves to a higher frequency and vibration which affects your experience on the other side in the spiritual plane. Everything is energy. The higher the frequency and vibration.....the more bliss your higher self will experience. I believe we are all one and connected to the same Source (God). Each new soul breaks away from Source and the spiritual energy is incarnated as a new soul. And then the cycle begins. There are new souls and old souls. So while our spiritual energy has always been around, we didn't begin to develop our own soul until our first incarnation. But each and every one of us is and always will be one with Source (God.)

Again, these are just my beliefs. I'm not forcing them on anyone.

 

[Xerxes]

And what would you have learned from such an easy life?? Pain exists to wake you up and teach you things. People with such easy lives just flow right through. Rich and successful people like that are often scummy assholes who think their shit doesn't stink and they are totally clueless about existence. They go their whole lives chasing money and then when they're on their death bed they realize that it was all meaningless, and they're filled with regret over the fact that they wasted their lives and forgot to even live.

But not all lives are predetermined to end in failure. We have a choice. We made plenty of mistakes in life, paid for it, and reaped the rewards of a failed existence. Rich or not, death and suicide doesn't discriminate. Successful people can succumb to depression and lost of will to live. You seem to have a greater understanding of how the world works, but you still failed in this life time. May your next life time or whatever believe in is better.