Unpopular opinion about suicide

[Dani Paradox]

As mom said, "I just forgot to take my birth control pill that day"

I believe we all choose who we reincarnate as and who our parents are. Your parents may not have planned to have you, but you spirit chose to be born

 

[Xerxes]

I believe we all choose who we reincarnate as and who our parents are. Your parents may not have planned to have you, but you spirit chose to be born

Yet we have all these mental issues. Possibly a weakened spirit or a brain-dead spirit who despite all circumstances must keep us alive while our heart and mind isn't into it anymore. Self-preservation is a bitch.

 

[Dani Paradox]

Yet we have all these mental issues. Possibly a weakened spirit or a brain-dead spirit who despite all circumstances must keep us alive while our heart and mind isn't into it anymore. Self-preservation is a bitch.

A weakened spirit? I think the opposite.

 

[Xerxes]

Well, to each it's own I suppose. I don't even think we have spirits. We're just here, one chance in life is all we have, then afterwards we're dust. Not to stomp all over your belief system but that's how I interpret things in life.

 

[Heina]

Why is life itself not considered a chronic terminal illness? If nothing else, it is most certainly terminal. Being alive is the number one cause of death.

At anyrate, you have every right to your opinion. Thank you for being kind.
I'm sorry you are forced to cut short a life you find value in.

I wish you lots of peace.

I loved your response, in fact, im going through a crisis now (self-injury) and reading you actually helped me. Thank you from Perú!

 

[Sundayafternoon]

What makes you think it was without your permission? Just because you don't remember making the choice to be born to your parents?

I'm pretty certain if given a choice i would've scrolled pass those 2 nut jobs quicker than one half of the duo skeeted me out.

 

[Trashcan]

We can't compare suffering. No one but the person living their life knows what's it like to be them. Even if they could hypothetically suffer more, they might be at their threshold. And the idea of them suffering even more might scare them, they might want to avoid that. If they're reaching their breaking point already, what tells them they can handle more suffering? It doesn't mean they're weak. If just means they're humans. Humans have thresholds to suffering, and that's just the nature of being alive. We're supposed to not like suffering. We're meant to avoid things that cause pain and suffering, and when it's your mind that's causing it due to a disorder, you can't get away from it.

People also have different perspectives about suffering. Some people who've had both cancer and depression say the depression is worse. Others say the cancer is worse. Some people who've once been homeless and later became depressed said that when they were homeless, at least they were happy. Others who've been in that situation will tell you that being homeless is far worse than depression. It really comes down to the individual. So not only can the only person knowing how much they're suffering is them, but each individual will have a different idea of how much suffering something causes. X might be nothing compared to Y for one person, but another will think Y is more tolerable than X.

With that said, you are very respectful of others opinions on here which is appreciated. I'm also sorry that you have a terminal illness that is even worse than schizophrenia. The suffering must be uncomprehendable.

 

[worldexploder]

I believe we all choose who we reincarnate as and who our parents are. Your parents may not have planned to have you, but you spirit chose to be born

what the fuck was my spirit thinking!

 

[bigj75]

The thing is depression changes you mentally over a long period of time to the point where you can become far more susceptible to homelessness, jail, injury, sickness, etc. It's not about just myself it's about the people around me i may effect due to my severe depression. That's why suffering is subjective. The "I dont think it's right to kill yourself unless you have a chronic or terminal physical illness that causes pain or unbearable suffering." Just doesn't cut it when you truly understand how the world and depression works in my opinion.

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

How is this opinion unpopular ? It's the most simplistic yet status-quo and consensus society view (minus the respecting others right to suicide)

Simplistic because it assumes but doesn't specitfy why the suffering cause by physical illness should factor more than mental pain or disgust with life.

 

[TheDarkness]

I believe we all choose who we reincarnate as and who our parents are. Your parents may not have planned to have you, but you spirit chose to be born

Unless there is actual evidence for this I don't need to believe it.


To OP:

I believe that life has value of course but unless I can or people are willing to help people and I mean actually help people by providing them with what they need. Then I don't want to hear about life having any sort of value when we don't value people in meaningful ways.

Do we as a society provide housing for the homeless?
Do we as a society provide food and shelter for starving people?

If the answer is no not really or really poorly then is there truly value in human life?

 

[Mr2005]

I dont think it's right to kill yourself unless you have a chronic or terminal physical illness that causes pain or unbearable suffering.

This is mostly in line with the Dutch euthanasia laws or swiss laws.

I do however support your right to end your life and believe you should have access to nembutal for a painless exit.

I have schizophrenia and wanted to kill myself but ended up with a terrible physical condition that made me see that even with schizophrenia life is inherently valuable. But now due to this illness I have one week left until I exit.

First of all I'm sorry. Second of all hats off to you for having the courage to write this. It just goes to show how so many of our views on things are formed from our experiences so we should take the time to listen

 

[Dani Paradox]

Unless there is actual evidence for this I don't need to believe it.


To OP:

I believe that life has value of course but unless I can or people are willing to help people and I mean actually help people by providing them with what they need. Then I don't want to hear about life having any sort of value when we don't value people in meaningful ways.

Do we as a society provide housing for the homeless?
Do we as a society provide food and shelter for starving people?

If the answer is no not really or really poorly then is there truly value in human life?

I didn't ask you to believe it. Nor was I even talking to you. I simply stated what I believe. Also, your response has nothing to do with what the OP said.

 

[TheDarkness]

I didn't ask you to believe it. Nor was I even talking to you. I simply stated what I believe. Also, your response has nothing to do with what the OP said.

I was mainly responding to the life is inherently valuable part simply expanding my beliefs on that.

 

[Dani Paradox]

I was mainly responding to the life is inherently valuable part simply expanding my beliefs on that.

So the fact that the government does not provide housing for the homeless means that life isn't valuable? What kind of twisted logic is that? It doesn't even make sense.

 

[Retched]

The thing is depression changes you mentally over a long period of time to the point where you can become far more susceptible to homelessness, jail, injury, sickness, etc. It's not about just myself it's about the people around me i may effect due to my severe depression. That's why suffering is subjective. The "I dont think it's right to kill yourself unless you have a chronic or terminal physical illness that causes pain or unbearable suffering." Just doesn't cut it when you truly understand how the world and depression works in my opinion.

My life has been flipped over on its edge because of depression and other mental issues. I think that suicide is what it is. If we used terms like "died of depression" rather than "committed suicide" some people may wake up to the fact that depression and other mental illnesses are debilitating.

 

[Rose]

How do we weigh current life against future life?
How do we measure one life against many?
Humans are overpopulated, we are using up our resources. There aren't enough to go around. We are destroying this Earth
Why should we preserve life at all costs now if that could potentially lead to all life being wiped off the board?
By living as I am now, I'm contributing to a system that is killing other people and removing a hope for the future of our species. I do not want to live as I am now. I do not want to live.
Should I be forced to continue living, in a system I don't want to be a part of, that's harming our species and the ability of our planet to host any form of life in the near future?
Should I be made to continue in my suffering, just so I can live a life that has a negative impact on all future life on Earth, human or not?

If life has inherent value, then we need to stop gambling with it. If we're not careful, sooner or later everything we know of will lose the ability to be alive.

Even without that, I don't see any reason for someone to live a life that they do not want to live just because someone else thinks it has value. We should all be allowed to value our own lives however we please, as everyone is the primary person impacted by their own life. Give me a legal way out, and maybe I won't cause so much pain to others in leaving (by having to hide my intent). It's win-win.

Life, as a concept, goes on without any individual person. It would go on without humanity as a whole, if that were ever to occur. I suggest we rethink whether individual lives have value or if life, as a thing that exists in the universe has value, but this is only if you value life already. Personally, I don't think it matters.

 

[Schopenhauer]

This is the dumbest thing I've read in ages

Ditto. It's a shame so many people believe in this nonsense (my own mother is one of them).

 

[bigj75]

I believe we all choose who we reincarnate as and who our parents are. Your parents may not have planned to have you, but you spirit chose to be born

 

[Dani Paradox]

Ditto. It's a shame so many people believe in this nonsense (my own mother is one of them).

It's a shame so many people like yourself are filled with so much hatred.

 

[Dani Paradox]

???

Another person who can't grasp what I'm saying?

 

[AlePizarnik]

LOL? I think you're too dumb to understand what I am saying.

Yes, that's probably it. And if not you will fool yourself with whatever to make you feel better about yourself.
You're entitled to your silly stories m8. If it makes you happy, good for you.
But I'm entitled to call you out on your bs.

 

[AlePizarnik]

Not to mention it's cruel bs. So (according to "dani paradox") a baby raped or beaten or neglected to death by its parent (s) chose that life. Its fault for chosing thosr parents. Silly baby.
Let's set all parent-child abusers free they were just teaching those damn babies a lesson. // sarcasm

The funniest is that you feel entitled to call others out for "being full of hatred"

These "karma" "you chose your life" people are just trying to mask their own lack of empathy.

 

[Dani Paradox]

Yes, that's probably it. And if not you will fool yourself with whatever to make you feel better about yourself.
You're entitled to your silly stories m8. If it makes you happy, good for you.
But I'm entitled to call you out on your bs.

To make ME feel better about MYself? Good one lol you're the one bullying me because you didn't like my response.

 

[AlePizarnik]

To make ME feel better about MYself? Good one lol you're the one bullying me because you didn't like my response.

It's not that I "didn't like it" (which I didn't) it's just made up shit and you actually think someone has to "understand" it.
Provide proof or accept your theory is just made up shit.

I don't intend to waste more time on this. Your delusions are your own. I'm not on a crusade to change them. Whatever man.

 

[Dani Paradox]

Not to mention it's cruel bs. So (according to "dani paradox") a baby raped or beaten or neglected to death by its parent (s) chose that life. Its fault for chosing thosr parents. Silly baby.
Let's set all parent-child abusers free they were just teaching those damn babies a lesson. // sarcasm

The funniest is that you feel entitled to call others out for "being full of hatred"

These "karma" "you chose your life" people are just trying to mask their own lack of empathy.

LOL everything out of your mouth is a projection. I'm the one with a lack of empathy? I'm "entitled" to call someone out for being full of hatred, but you're NOT entitled for bullying me with your response and "calling out my bullshit"? And yes spirits choose their incarnations to learn from the experience. Pain teaches you things. You are far too twisted to have this discussion with. I will pray for you and send healing energy to your soul.

 

[weedoge]

LOL everything out of your mouth is a projection. I'm the one with a lack of empathy? I'm "entitled" to call someone out for being full of hatred, but you're NOT entitled for bullying me with your response and "calling out my bullshit"? And yes spirits choose their incarnations to learn from the experience. Pain teaches you things. You are far too twisted to have this discussion with. I will pray for you and send healing energy to your soul.

Sorry but feels like everything you say is a mega double ultra projection. You twist and contradict yourself while accusing other people of doing the same thing. You tell people they being oversensitive is bad and people should thicken their skin and we should be able to say what we want, yet you think someone disagreeing with you, in a much calmer way than you instigate disagreements with others I might add, you call that bullying. Please slow down dude, good lord.

 

[skitliv]

Talking to a brick wall guys, don't bother

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

I think it just comes down to belief system and/or conditioning. Life has as much meaning as someone is willing to attach to it, or has accepted as part of their faith.

If you believe the Michael Newton stuff, you believe in Dani Paradox's theory. If you're religious, you are spoon fed the value of life from the moment you are born.

So is it naive or bullshit to believe in this stuff? Who's to say.

Perhaps blindly accepting any of it without proof is silly, but forcing your belief on to others certainly is.

Life having meaning can be as straightforward as fear of hurting those around us if we ctb. Our deaths will hurt our families, so life is valuable. That's a little basic for me, but I think it's the cornerstone of why so many of us keep living.

 

[weedoge]

but forcing your belief on to others certainly is.

I was about to respond to your post before I read it all but, you already said it. This also not being willing to accept that your beliefs may be wrong because there is absolutely no proof at all. I fully accept that while I may hold certain beliefs 99% there is always a chance that I'm wrong because we just can't confirm or deny "metaphysical" stuff right now.

Also agree on life having meaning or value, it's a personal thing, nothing really to do with being an inherent fact or truth so to speak.