The police came to my house

[Backwood_tilt]

There is no use in telling others you're going to kill yourself if you're not interested in them doing anything but agreeing with the endeavor.

I completely agree with you, but a lot of people come here in times of desperation. Emotions running that high, you are bound to make some mistakes. And to be honest, judging by the kinds of threads that pop up regularly on the "suicide" discussion a lot of people just want to vent, and want someone to talk to. Maybe someone listening will make them change their minds about CTB.

Since i have first decided to CTB, there are definitely a few phone/in person conversations i wish i could take back. They haven't complicated my life too much but i realize it reflects that impulsively suicidal, desperate headwind.

CTB is a matter that should be taken calmly, with all the necessary preparations and rationalizing done beforehand. But when we've done all that, we shouldn't forget that there are still really raw human emotions that first drive us to that place.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

why no class-action suit. Can anyone explain why?

because there have been lawsuits

Novartis Pharmaceuticals Corp. to Pay More Than $420 Million to Resolve Off-label Promotion and Kickback Allegations

Novartis Pharmaceuticals Corporation has agreed to pay $422.5 million to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from the illegal marketing of certain pharmaceutical products.

www.justice.gov

Judge to Unseal Documents on the Eli Lilly Drug Zyprexa (Published 2008)

A federal judge in Brooklyn decided to unseal confidential materials about Eli Lilly’s top-selling antipsychotic drug, citing questions about the way drugs are approved for new uses.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Quarky00]

Trying to keep track of this thread .

 

[ctbUniquectb]

There is no use in telling others you're going to kill yourself if you're not interested in them doing anything but agreeing with the endeavor.

This falls ~90% into "agree with the endeavor," but there's something to be said for informing (trustable) long LONG term close friends to rest easy in your absence.

Trying to keep track of this thread .

Where I'm from, doing maths gets you called a terrrrrrrrist

 

[Deleted member 1768]

because there have been lawsuits

Novartis Pharmaceuticals Corp. to Pay More Than $420 Million to Resolve Off-label Promotion and Kickback Allegations

Novartis Pharmaceuticals Corporation has agreed to pay $422.5 million to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from the illegal marketing of certain pharmaceutical products.

www.justice.gov

Judge to Unseal Documents on the Eli Lilly Drug Zyprexa (Published 2008)

A federal judge in Brooklyn decided to unseal confidential materials about Eli Lilly’s top-selling antipsychotic drug, citing questions about the way drugs are approved for new uses.

www.nytimes.com

Thank you very much unique. The first one appears to deal with off-label use of meds. The second one I shall have to read a number of times to glean the necessary information, but I am speaking about the efficacy of these drugs to make positive change. Do not get me wrong. I know two people who were really helped, one on lithium-carbonate, and the other on citalopram. The lady on lithium will probably have to use it for life. The citalopram was used for 1 or 2 weeks. But the vast majority of patients suffered tremendously. Most were worse using the anti-depressants. Used to work in a pharmacy.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

Thank you very much unique. The first one appears to deal with off-label use of meds. The second one I shall have to read a number of times to glean the necessary information, but I am speaking about the efficacy of these drugs to make positive change. Do not get me wrong. I know two people who were really helped, one on lithium-carbonate, and the other on citalopram. The lady on lithium will probably have to use it for life. The citalopram was used for 1 or 2 weeks. But the vast majority of patients suffered tremendously. Most were worse using the anti-depressants. Used to work in a pharmacy.

I prob could've done better on the olanzapine link, but if it prompts you googling then you'll see why I slam it.

As for off label use: one thing to do it, another to advertise for off label use. It's serious shit, and I was substantially agreeing with you.

 

[Quarky00]

Where I'm from, doing maths gets you called a terrrrrrrrist

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Conversation #5 appears to start with disagreement...

;)

I was actually complementing you all (in my absurd way) -- thread deals with several big issues, handled rather well.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

I prob could've done better on the olanzapine link, but if it prompts you googling then you'll see why I slam it.

As for off label use: one thing to do it, another to advertise for off label use. It's serious shit, and I was substantially agreeing with you.

I need more information re. class-action lawsuits. Pharmaceutical companies and mental health acts need to be changed radically and globally. I have been thinking that a lawsuit may be the best way to go. I am not on any of those types of drugs, but if there is a way to legally expose a very dangerous system I gotta try.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

I have been thinking that a lawsuit may be the best way to go

Don't make all the lawyers who are drunk here on a Saturday night piss themselves laughing.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

Don't make all the lawyers who are drunk here on a Saturday night piss themselves laughing.

Lmho! Damn, not until/unless I can get shares in 'poise'...wink. Can you tell me what to look for/read to find out what criteria would have to be met? Thanks Unique. I really appreciate this.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

Can you tell me what to look for/read to find out what criteria would have to be met?

I AM NOT LICENSED TO PRACTICE IN ANY JURISDICTION

what, to make drunken lawyers soil their expensive pants? (not worn: used as a drop cloth)

I AM NOT LICENSED TO PRACTICE THE LAW IN ANY JURISDICTION

 

[SinisterKid]

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Conversation #5 appears to start with disagreement...

;)

I was actually complementing you all (in my absurd way) -- thread deals with several big issues, handled rather well.

But sadly, the thread is somewhat derailed as the OP is scared after a visit from LE and the impending visit to therapy.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

A well thought out and written proposal given to civil liberties society may well set the wheels in motion. I want to expose them soooo badly.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

scared after a visit from LE

scared? by the cops?

 

[Deleted member 1768]

I AM NOT LICENSED TO PRACTICE IN ANY JURISDICTION

what, to make drunken lawyers soil their expensive pants? (not worn: used as a drop cloth)

I AM NOT LICENSED TO PRACTICE THE LAW IN ANY JURISDICTION

It is okay. I am not a doctor, but I can sometimes lead people to worthy research sites. My apologies if I came across too strongly. It is my passion to alleviate suffering, and I see far too much of it. But anything anyone can add to my knowledge has my greatest thanks.

 

[Quarky00]

@Verklempt , How are you doing?

Can you ask family to give you some space and time? And/or tell them you just need someone to talk to etc? Take the pressure of you ..

 

[Verklempt]

@Verklempt , How are you doing?

Can you ask family to give you some space and time? And/or tell them you just need someone to talk to etc? Take the pressure of you ..

Thank you for checking up on me. My mom is being really clingy right now and I'm trying to tell her to leave me alone. But, I know she just want the best for me. They are going to a book me therapist some time next week but, I'm planning to book a schedule for tomorrow or Monday. I kinda don't want to be at home.

 

[Quarky00]

I understand you can get away for a while .. I don't know how things are, you may try to tell her that you appreciate everything but tired, need peace and to rest. You seem to be handling it in the meantime, or am I wrong.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Very sportsmanlike of you, no apology needed.

The aggressive paragraph was put well to those who would've had it coming. Communicating in text removed nuance from my point, so no harm and no foul on either of us.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOUR DAYS LONGER THAN YOU

RESPECT MY AUTHORITY

:-p

OMG I laughed out loud at that. And at a moment when it was much needed.

The rest was perfect. Thank you. I do so love a good conflict resolution.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

OMG I laughed out loud at that. And at a moment when it was much needed.

The rest was perfect. Thank you. I do so love a good conflict resolution.

Oops just saw this

I tried to post them as separate items, but hey

 

[mesohappy]

Ive often wondered about that,and expected that it would happen..I don't discuss CTB with ANYBODY anymore since I got my first and only 51/50..Also tried talking to a relative about my feelings once and she sent the cops to my house too.And then they wonder why so many people do it and it comes out of the blue."Why didn't they ask for heeelp? They knew they could talk to meeee…"

 

[WhyIsLife56]

It's always risky telling someone about personal issues. And plus telling someone doesn't always make me feel better. It usually makes me feel worse.
There's a reason why I keep them to myself now.

 

[Innereye]

Yeah been there. Stay away from traditional mental help if you ask me, severely underdeveloped field.

 

[Bandzbandz]

Punch your sister and then tell her people have worse pain than that, quit complaining like a baby.

J/k

Seriously, though, her message is a defense. She's minimizing your pain so she can manage.

Therefore she's not in your support system, nor is the crisis line. SS peeps are! Who else?

Maybe you can say this to your family (or even to yourself):

"You're making this about you. I am in pain and seeking solutions, hence the crisis line. I am working with my therapist. Please give me space. If you need support, please see your own therapist. I will not discuss this further until you are able to recognize what is about me and what is about you."

You know, this is seemingly a good way to approach the matter in family discussions but I think that the time and energy that is wasted trying to explain things to them is just too much for a person in this frame of mind. I think that OP should try and explain the situation but not focus on them and their reaction at all. What we often do is put ourselves last rather than first, and that is frequently one of the reasons that we end up feeling the way we do in the first place. So, I suggest that OP should focus on themselves rather than trying to appease others around them.
Much love and light

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I don't mean to blame OP, sorry if I made anyone feel that way, but I believe OP was a sincere person believing the system could save her. I cherish the fact that there are still sincere people in this world. I was the same as well, but went through similar experiences until i realized the current system in place is against you, isn't that why we all suffer? It's not just the system but life itself and how we are as humans is the cause of suffering, thats why i choose to end it.

My post definitely was not directed at you.