The police came to my house

[Broken Chimera]

That's my main concern about this site

That's why I'm reluctant to make a goodbye thread when I decide to ctb or be open here.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

however a crisis line's purpose is to prevent suicides. If you told them you were going to kill yourself, it should not be unexpected that they try to do just that. It's not surprising that they work with some local gov't and law enforcement to find addresses of people that call.

Often people on this message board get angry that they receive kitschy and platitudinous responses when they tell people they're suicidal. But what exactly do these people expect? Them to nod in agreement and encourage you to do it? There is no use in telling others you're going to kill yourself if you're not interested in them doing anything but agreeing with the endeavor.

Respectfully, people cannot know what they do not know.

People are not responsible for others assaulting their boundaries or their private lives.

Please consider how you would feel if someone blamed you for what you did not know and could not control.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

What is a crisis text line?

Similar to the crisis lines for the phone. You contact whoever and vent like crazy...not always wise.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

Respectfully, people cannot know what they do not know.

People are not responsible for others assaulting their boundaries or their private lives.

Please consider how you would feel if someone blamed you for what you did not know and could not control.

Yes, but as a good rule of thumb, caveat emptor

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I'm really concerned that people are commenting with tones of victim blaming.

The OP was attacked - while vulnerable- by two sources of supposed support: the crisis line and her sister.

Please refrain from re-victimizing her when she is shaken. She is here for support, not to give others an opportunity to feel self-righteous and powerful.

How would you like it?

Peace.

 

[Quarky00]

Yes I contacted them first. I was going through something deep and I just wanted to talk to someone. I used that crisis line before and nothing happen, except for what happen last night. I won't use that crisis again, I'm traumatized.

I'm saddened to say that, but I will never contact helpline (SS Survey):



My personal experience was also horrible considering the reply I got ("Go to work").

These are not professionals (not that they are much better) and it's all well scripted, well established protocols, and some cliches. Same as talking to a robot.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

Yep...so-called mental health workers are sick puppies, and lie at the drop of a hat. Makes them feel superior I suppose. Little people with way too much power.

I call them jailers

your post

This

 

[Deleted member 1768]

I call them jailers

I call them incompetent.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

I call them incompetent.

They're very good at keeping people alive, I guess?

I've said it before and will say it again: there is no suicide epidemic, rather an epidemic of feeling like shit that results in suicides. Address the cause and you'll minimize the effect, not the other way around.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

I'm saddened to say that, but I will never contact helpline (SS Survey):

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My personal experience was also horrible considering the reply I got ("Go to work").

These are not professionals (not that they are much better) and it's all well scripted, well established protocols, and some cliches. Same as talking to a robot.

Professionals are no different.

 

[S1mpleme]

Similar to the crisis lines for the phone. You contact whoever and vent like crazy...not always wise.

So you just text them from your phone? And no matter where you are they will find and save you?

 

[Deleted member 1768]

They're very good at keeping people alive, I guess?

I've said it before and will say it again: there is no suicide epidemic, rather an epidemic of feeling like shit that results in suicides. Address the cause and you'll minimize the effect, not the other way around.

They are very good at supplying the pharmaceutical companies with cash.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

They are very good at supplying the pharmaceutical companies with cash.

Granted, and sometimes those meds make folks not wanna end it. Meds worked for me for years and years, then failed out of the blue.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

So you just text them from your phone? And no matter where you are they will find and save you?

They will find you, but save you...no. Incarcerate, force you to take drugs, but help, not in their vocabulary.

 

[Quarky00]

Professionals are no different.

They are.. Some are really empathic, understanding, insightful, helpful, and honest. Around 10% I'd say

(being serious: you are right, sadly.. many are even abusive.. but some can help some people recover; do not mention ctb though)

 

[Deleted member 1768]

Granted, and sometimes those meds make folks not wanna end it. Meds worked for me for years and years, then failed out of the blue.

I am glad to hear that but the vast majority of people are seriously damaged, not helped. There is a wealth of solid evidence re. the data of harm due to anti-depressants, anti-psychotics and benzoes. I still fail to understand why people do not start a class action law suit, but then I know little about lawsuits.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

people are seriously damaged, not helped

That fucking sucks. It really does, but as I say and many here say: I don't give a shit, I'm trying to help myself.

anti-depressants and anti-psychotics

Not what worked for me, and taking them was shitty. I give you this as well.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

And exactly what else would happen calling a crisis line? Jesus.

They used to be trained to listen to the person, not read a list of items to check off, which is what they do now. So...yep...you are right. They follow policy, get extra grades for volunteering, and care absolutely nothing for the person they are conversing with. Of course I am referring to N.A.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Yes, but as a good rule of thumb, caveat emptor

Your response doesn't make sense. It sounds like "You're kind of right, but as a general rule, it's her own damn fault."

Do let me know when you make an honest mistake so I can make you feel worse. I really need to feel right at someone else's expense, all this being rational and supportive has really made me feel weak, so please let me feed off your pain soon so that I can get strong again.

(Making sense yet?)

EDIT: That was a assertiveness with a little aggression. I would have done better to have only posted the first paragraph. I apologize to @ctbUniquectb , whose posts I usually genuinely value. I leave the asser-gressive paragraph because if I were deservedly on the receiving end, it would get through to me, so it might get through to someone else who gets caught up in social media storms of self-righteous victim blaming. It's so easy to be a keyboard warrior and temporarily forget the other person's equal humanity and vulnerability. Peace.)

 

[ctbUniquectb]

They are.. Some are really empathic, understanding, insightful, helpful, and honest

Yeah, I have an extremely good clinician. This clinician is one of few people I give a shit about, with regards to people being upset after my death. They've even called me out on "I can't keep you from killing yourself ... your situation is super challenging"

as contrasted against #lifeisbeautiful

 

[Deleted member 1768]

That fucking sucks. It really does, but as I say and many here say: I don't give a shit, I'm trying to help myself.

Not what worked for me, and taking them was shitty. I give you this as well.

All you can do unique...try to help yourself.

 

[Quarky00]

Yeah, I have an extremely good clinician. This clinician is one of few people I give a shit about, with regards to people being upset after my death. They've even called me out on "I can't keep you from killing yourself ... your situation is super challenging"

What a keeper !

(honestly never heard such things, really rare.)

 

[foreveryoung]

I'm really concerned that people are commenting with tones of victim blaming.

The OP was attacked - while vulnerable- by two sources of supposed support: the crisis line and her sister.

Please refrain from re-victimizing her when she is shaken. She is here for support, not to give others an opportunity to feel self-righteous and powerful.

How would you like it?

Peace.

I don't mean to blame OP, sorry if I made anyone feel that way, but I believe OP was a sincere person believing the system could save her. I cherish the fact that there are still sincere people in this world. I was the same as well, but went through similar experiences until i realized the current system in place is against you, isn't that why we all suffer? It's not just the system but life itself and how we are as humans is the cause of suffering, thats why i choose to end it.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

What a keeper !

I'll dox myself a little: homie worked the prisons before [REDACTED: WHERE I GO NOW] so I've triggered a lot of clinicians, but I don't think this person in particular is capable of being triggered.
To open, remember initially that "our" thread of messages started with jsauter's post. In this post, I'm not criticizing jsauter, but I want to remind readers of the framing for what you and I have said, and what I'm going to say.

Your response doesn't make sense. It sounds like "You're kind of right, but as a general rule, it's her own damn fault." ...

When I said "caveat emptor," I meant that while people cannot know what they do not know, to be cautious in all spheres. Driving this home for the benefit of others, even if OP sees it, isn't intended to make OP feel worse and I would generally expect to not be taken as such.

... Do let me know when you make an honest mistake so I can make you feel worse ...

I make honest mistakes all day, every day. My self criticism keeps them at the forefront of my mind. Even without that, there's no way you could possibly make me feel worse than I already do at all times and in all places :-)

... I really need to feel right at someone else's expense ...

No, I don't

... all this being rational and supportive has really made me feel weak ...

I'm not being sarcastic: this line confused me

... so please let me feed off your pain soon ...

first, not what I was doing, because I'd never do that

... so that I can get strong again.

again, not what I was doing, from being incapable of feeling strong

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

To open, remember initially that "our" thread of messages started with jsauter's post. In this post, I'm not criticizing jsauter, but I want to remind readers of the framing for what you and I have said, and what I'm going to say.

When I said "caveat emptor," I meant that while people cannot know what they do not know, to be cautious in all spheres. Driving this home for the benefit of others, even if OP sees it, isn't intended to make OP feel worse and I would generally expect to not be taken as such.

I make honest mistakes all day, every day. My self criticism keeps them at the forefront of my mind. Even without that, there's no way you could possibly make me feel worse than I already do at all times and in all places :-)

No, I don't

I'm not being sarcastic: this line confused me

first, not what I was doing, because I'd never do that

again, not what I was doing, from being incapable of feeling strong

I posted an edit to the post you're quoting. I apologize for heading to the aggressive from the rational. Much respect that you stand up for yourself, and I value you that you made the effort to clarify. I appreciate you on the forum, and I respect you. Thanks for engaging with me and being cool.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

EDIT: That was a assertiveness with a little aggression. I would have done better to have only posted the first paragraph. I apologize to @ctbUniquectb , whose posts I usually genuinely value. I leave the asser-gressive paragraph because if I were deservedly on the receiving end, it would get through to me, so it might get through to someone else who gets caught up in social media storms of self-righteous victim blaming. It's so easy to be a keyboard warrior and temporarily forget the other person's equal humanity and vulnerability. Peace.)

Very sportsmanlike of you, no apology needed.

The aggressive paragraph was put well to those who would've had it coming. Communicating in text removed nuance from my point, so no harm and no foul on either of us.

I posted an edit to the post you're quoting. I apologize for heading to the aggressive from the rational. Much respect that you stand up for yourself, and I value you that you made the effort to clarify. I appreciate you on the forum, and I respect you. Thanks for engaging with me and being cool.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOUR DAYS LONGER THAN YOU

RESPECT MY AUTHORITY

:-p

 

[Deleted member 1768]

I agree that it's a privacy violation to an extent - if you don't give them your personal details and address, it should not be expected that they arrive at your home... however a crisis line's purpose is to prevent suicides. If you told them you were going to kill yourself, it should not be unexpected that they try to do just that. It's not surprising that they work with some local gov't and law enforcement to find addresses of people that call.

Often people on this message board get angry that they receive kitschy and platitudinous responses when they tell people they're suicidal. But what exactly do these people expect? Them to nod in agreement and encourage you to do it? There is no use in telling others you're going to kill yourself if you're not interested in them doing anything but agreeing with the endeavor.

I disagree with you on that. It is not merely a 'privacy...to an extent'. It is a privacy violation, with no appeal, and honesty simply does not exist. Would you trust someone who lied to you at first meeting? A normal person would not, would someone suffering from a mental health issue be any different? Mayhaps that is how you can tell if the diagnosis is right...wink.
Crises occur all the time in life. Not all crises lead to suicide, but for those who must wait until suicide enters their lives as a viable means to heal, well...keeps those in the industry happy. Those labelled mentally ill have no recourse to the law. A fundamental right to a free society is lost to a large group of people. History repeats...the usurpation of human rights by an elite group in society is bad for all.

 

[JSauter]

I disagree with you on that. It is not merely a 'privacy...to an extent'. It is a privacy violation, with no appeal, and honesty simply does not exist. Would you trust someone who lied to you at first meeting? A normal person would not, would someone suffering from a mental health issue be any different? Mayhaps that is how you can tell if the diagnosis is right...wink.
Crises occur all the time in life. Not all crises lead to suicide, but for those who must wait until suicide enters their lives as a viable means to heal, well...keeps those in the industry happy. Those labelled mentally ill have no recourse to the law. A fundamental right to a free society is lost to a large group of people. History repeats...the usurpation of human rights by an elite group in society is bad for all.

Society (at least where I live in the US) does not even pass the threshold test for human decency insofar as it could, but refuses, to allow for humane, dignified, peaceful euthanasia - even in the most egregious health cases. From there, my expectations are set low for this indecent society. Ergo, anything they deem a 'suicide risk' is understood and expected to be infringing on privacy rights, from my perspective. Again, I don't agree with it. It is immoral. But I expect it. That's all I'm saying.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

... the US (doesn't) pass the threshold test for human decency ...

Newsflash, water is wet and snowballs melt in hell

 

[Deleted member 1768]

I don't mean to blame OP, sorry if I made anyone feel that way, but I believe OP was a sincere person believing the system could save her. I cherish the fact that there are still sincere people in this world. I was the same as well, but went through similar experiences until i realized the current system in place is against you, isn't that why we all suffer? It's not just the system but life itself and how we are as humans is the cause of suffering, thats why i choose to end it.

It IS the system forever. People can be be really, honestly good. We are all multi-faceted. You can trust me with most things, but if you intend to fill me full of drugs I will say whatever I can to make you change your mind, and honesty would probably go out the window. I have had strangers stop their cars, ask if they can help. Tossed into a vehicle, along with heavy bags of groceries, driven home, the bags carried right inside my little cave...I call that kindness. Sometimes you have to hug the good stuff to you, hold it close...and hang on. I find kindness widespread in society, always have. Plenty of other events too...but I never forget kindness...never, no matter what kind of animal provides it. :)

Society (at least where I live in the US) does not even pass the threshold test for human decency insofar as it could, but refuses, to allow for humane, dignified, peaceful euthanasia - even in the most egregious health cases. From there, my expectations are set low for this indecent society. Ergo, anything they deem a 'suicide risk' is understood and expected to be infringing on privacy rights, from my perspective. Again, I don't agree with it. It is immoral. But I expect it. That's all I'm saying.

Understood, but I am still puzzled why no class-action suit. Can anyone explain why?