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ForgetIExist

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I don't have any particular philosophy as to what happens after death. However, there's this idea floating around amongst people who believe in reincarnation that really bothers me:

It's the idea that we chose this life. The mechanics will vary a little based on who you talk to, but generally it boils down to this: We reincarnate in soul groups of our chosing. We chose where we will reincarnate and who we will reincarnate with. As a soul, we chose the circumstances (not down to the specific detail) that we have to deal with during our life, making this life a learning experience. Then we do it all again.

The idea as to why we chose shitty people and shitty experiences boils down to this concept: To know good, one must know evil. To truly appreciate the highs, you must experience the lows.

On a surface level, this makes sense. But when you start to unravel this argument, dig even a little beneath the surface, and actually acknowledge the world beyond the little bubble that you live in, this argument starts to unravel.

I've noticed that most of the people who believe this philosophy come from first world backgrounds. They either have no serious life lasting trauma, or exist in a place of privilege where they can heal and get away from what's causing them trauma. It's easy to say that you chose your problems when you aren't experiencing life altering events / abuse in the daily.

The idea that you have to experience the bad to fully understand the good is logical, but it gets twisted so easily by people who live very cushy lives. You need to experience evil to understand what is good, but is it really necessary for one to experience the evilest of the evil to experience and understand good?

I was thinking about this last night when browsing the Watch People Die website. I was on there looking for SN videos, and inevitably stumbled upon gore videos. There are categories for all kinds of fire, but what stuck out to me were two types of videos: Gang Violence and War

The gang violence videos were all of people getting beheaded alive via a machete. The war videos are pretty self explanatory; drone killings, gun violence, and piles of civilian corpses.

What lesson did the countless corpses piled on top of each other learn that they couldn't have learned via less severe forms of abuse. There's probably a bunch of people locked up in someone's basement, who are being physically and sexually abused on the regular, who have been locked up for years and will continue to be tortured until they die. Why couldn't they learn whatever lesson they needed to learn a different way?

There's no limits to human depravity, but there has to be a limit to how good and happy anyone person/experience/thing can make them feel.

I could maybe get behind the idea that reincarnation is generally pretty random but we still have special ties to certain people that we see in some of our lives. Or maybe we have doppelgangers on other planets?

But the idea that we chose this life, it's circumstances, and it's people specifically? Ew. That idea really irks me.
 
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Hvergelmir

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You need to experience evil to understand what is good, but is it really necessary for one to experience the evilest of the evil to experience and understand good?
I'd argue the exact opposite. One needs to experience evil to understand evil, and experience good to understand good.

Those beheadings and whatever other violent videos you've seen can teach you how to not be naive, and proactively protect yourself when similar threats emerges. This while others might struggle to understand what's going on, before it's too late.
They will however not teach you how to succeed in a stable society; how to support your family, or how to find love.

Strive for balance, and don't watch more traumatizing things than what you need to adequately internalize what you need to be safe and informed.

I think we ought to watch successful people we like, more. A lot can be learnt from witnessing and experiencing good things.
But the idea that we chose this life, it's circumstances, and it's people specifically? Ew. That idea really irks me.
The idea encourages you to assume that adversity is a lesson, and that you can learn something from it. Very often that holds true.
I don't think it's fair to invalidate faith or philosophy, based on extremes. Truth is, that in the extreme cases you mention, belief or thought won't save anyone.
A Buddhist opposing intervention in those cases, would be an extremist. His literal interpretation would not represent a widespread belief system.
 
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Forever Sleep

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I have a relative that believes this. Funnily enough though, their life hasn't been smooth sailing at all. They are a mix of Christian beliefs but also this other belief in reincarnation. I wonder if that's why they accept their own suffering though. There does seem (sometimes) to be value placed on suffering in the abrahamic religions. I think they see it as a necessary learning curve though.

I agree with you though. I, personally- strongly dislike the belief. Both of reincarnation and this idea that we may have chosen this shit to begin with!

I wonder how much of it is parents letting themselves off the hook too. I'd tend to argue that all parents deliberately expose their children to harm by bringing them into such an uncertain world where illness, bereavement, rape, abuse, financial ruin etc. are not only all possible- in some cases- there's no guaranteed way to prevent them.

By insisting that the child in fact made the choice to come here and experience these things. That suffering is an unavoidable necessity- they are avoiding the true responsibility- that they in fact put their child in all of this danger.

Their own actions may in fact have directly hurt the child or, put them in the way of danger that they either couldn't or didn't bother to protect them from. How easy then- is it to shirk their responsibility and say it was all fated or decided for them?

My other issue is: Why on earth would we need to experience all this? The good and the bad? What can the end goal possibly be? If we truly are immortal beings- capable of jumping from body to body- we're already awesomly powerful presumably. Why would such a poweful, spiritual creature- one that can presumably survive without a biological body- even need to experience life as a mortal? In a meat suit of a body that can feel pain? What are we learning all these things to ultimately achieve? Surely- you wouldn't study something for millennia upon millenia for no reason.

The only reason that makes sense to me- is if we are training to be Gods ourselves. Then- it would make sense to live as a mortal. A bit like those undercover boss TV shows. If we are to become creators ourselves then- it would have been good/ responsible to experience life I think. To know what it was we would be inflicting on other sentient beings. I imagine most users of this forum would simply hand in their resignation if they eventually graduated to God level. I doubt so many would be cruel enough to inflict this on others but then, people still procreate so- who knows?

The weirder thing I find is if I consider my own life. My life began to go to shit at the age of 3- when my Mum died. She was diagnosed with cancer at the same time she found out she was pregnant. She so desperately wanted children and, from what I've heard, she was a lovely person.

On the one hand, I'm glad she got her wish to be a Mum before she died. On the other though- I wish she could have experienced that without involving me. I'm not so sure I'm altruistic enough to have taken on this life (46 years of it so far- with ideation from aged 10,) just so she could have had 3 years of being a Mum. That's one reason I may have picked this life though- if that were the case. But, I'm not so sure I'm that generous. I'm sure as shit I would have avoided some of these other 'souls' I was grouped together with. It seems like saying- would you choose to be in the same school class as a vicious bully? Of course not! Who would?

The only other reasoning I can figure that some of us would choose these lives- knowing their (likely) outcome is if the alternative is so much worse. If the waiting area is so unbearably boring- that we choose to experience something- even something potentially bad- just to break the monotony.
 
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