Story Testing SN - How to get to hospital (fast)

[8evergo]

he probably vomited everything there are also reports that people survived nimbotal because they vomited it

 

[Alex6216]

I don't know how to get it now but I paid 30,00$ for 100g and I (this is not a recommendation) would personally take max. 10g without anything and mix it with something you like. Maybe an anti-nausea medicine but nothing more. In my case, 2g without going to hospital was enough.

30,000 DOLLARS FOR 100G! You could've bought that much for way way less, with that much money you could have bought 27 pentobarbital bottles from D
edit: Nevermind you said 3,000. That's only 2 bottles....

 

[wljourney]

About lethal dose of SN - here is interesting med article:

Case Report: A non-fatal intoxication with a high-dose sodium nitrate

A 67-year-old man accidentally ingested 75 g of sodium nitrate. He had instant gastrointestinal symptoms. On physical examination, he was respiratorily and haemodynamically stable and there were no signs of central or peripheral cyanosis. Repeated ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

4g - 30g is deadly
Here is a patient (article above) who ingested 75g!

This article is about NitrAte. Not Nitrite.
Big difference in fatality/risk.

he probably vomited everything there are also reports that people survived nimbotal because they vomited it

Nitrate is not Nitrite.

30,000 DOLLARS FOR 100G! You could've bought that much for way way less, with that much money you could have bought 27 pentobarbital bottles from D
edit: Nevermind you said 3,000. That's only 2 bottles....

Many countries use commas instead of periods to mark dollars vs cents.
So 30,00$ is the same as $30.00

 

[Advisor321]

This article is about NitrAte. Not Nitrite.
Big difference in fatality/risk.

Nitrate is not Nitrite

Omg, I'm so sorry, such a rookie mistake! :(

 

[Getmeouttaherenow]

Wow, fascinating read thanks for sharing.

 

[eve2004]

I tested a similar amount but did not go to the hospital (clearly I did not die either). Having done that, I would agree with OP that I would not be able to successfully drink and/or keep down 20g of this stuff, anti-nausea or not. There's absolutely no way. I would opt for a smaller amount too.

OP: About the suspected lidocaine self-poisoning (accidental or not), did they know you were a med student? If they did, they probably knew you had access to any number of substances to "deal with your dental work"... I believe they also use this for endoscopies (upper GI), in much larger amounts.

I wonder if the ER docs knew it was semi-intentional poisoning but figured that it would do more damage than good if they kept you, considering that 1) You're a med student and 2) You did show up on your own, with an family member... The stats for people CTB'ing after being released from a mandatory hold are astounding. If they had held you, even for an hour, they would be responsible if you subsequently CTB. If they claim they saw no danger, they're probably "off the hook"... (I am speculating, I don't know the legal details).

(I ended up in the ER after a true accidental OD and they held me for evaluation in psych and when they finally let me go, 8 hours later, I had to walk 1h home because all I wanted to do was CTB in the subway)

 

[icetea15]

I tested a similar amount but did not go to the hospital (clearly I did not die either). Having done that, I would agree with OP that I would not be able to successfully drink and/or keep down 20g of this stuff, anti-nausea or not. There's absolutely no way. I would opt for a smaller amount too.

OP: About the suspected lidocaine self-poisoning (accidental or not), did they know you were a med student? If they did, they probably knew you had access to any number of substances to "deal with your dental work"... I believe they also use this for endoscopies (upper GI), in much larger amounts.

I wonder if the ER docs knew it was semi-intentional poisoning but figured that it would do more damage than good if they kept you, considering that 1) You're a med student and 2) You did show up on your own, with an family member... The stats for people CTB'ing after being released from a mandatory hold are astounding. If they had held you, even for an hour, they would be responsible if you subsequently CTB. If they claim they saw no danger, they're probably "off the hook"... (I am speculating, I don't know the legal details).

(I ended up in the ER after a true accidental OD and they held me for evaluation in psych and when they finally let me go, 8 hours later, I had to walk 1h home because all I wanted to do was CTB in the subway)

Totally on your side with your opinion on the amount :D

Yes, they knew indeed I was studying humane medicine. They knew it anyway somehow just by me describing my symptoms and using technical terms or my comments.

It's a interesting theory though. I don't know the answer to that but I can say they "tried" really hard to set the "suicide stamp" on me.
Just to mention some technics:
- They tested my blood on numerous drugs
- They tested my vomit
- They tested my salive (or is it spelled saliva? The mouthwater thing)
- They asked me countless times at every stage awake, nauseous, tired, partly-dead if I took something
- They tested my urine

I think they tried really hard to gain anything to label it as a suicide attempt OR their were just curious because otherwise they had no plan at all. The lidocaine-thing was full of bullshit and I think they knew that but couldn't just write "We don't fucking know" on the report.

 

[eve2004]

Totally on your side with your opinion on the amount :D

Yes, they knew indeed I was studying humane medicine. They knew it anyway somehow just by me describing my symptoms and using technical terms or my comments.

It's a interesting theory though. I don't know the answer to that but I can say they "tried" really hard to set the "suicide stamp" on me.
Just to mention some technics:
- They tested my blood on numerous drugs
- They tested my vomit
- They tested my salive (or is it spelled saliva? The mouthwater thing)
- They asked me countless times at every stage awake, nauseous, tired, partly-dead if I took something
- They tested my urine

I think they tried really hard to gain anything to label it as a suicide attempt OR their were just curious because otherwise they had no plan at all. The lidocaine-thing was full of bullshit and I think they knew that but couldn't just write "We don't fucking know" on the report.

Of course we don't know, but to me it sounds like they highly suspected it, but they knew you weren't going to disclose the substance so they had to go investigate... Also, being a med student, if they didn't "save you", it would have been known all over the hospital, your university, the media... I actually read a lot of cases about unintentional lidocaine "poisoning" during procedures by doctors... Unintentional because the patient was probably hypersensitive/allergic and the amount was too much and they had an SN-type reaction which they had to quickly reverse...

How long ago was this?

 

[Joeydoe]

Telling the doctors taking SN would have dramatically increased the chance of being detend to closed psychiatry. I've been there once, and I want never have that experience again. I have reached a point in my life in which I do not care whether I die or not. I never changed my mind, the doctors just found a solution.

EDIT: @mentalhealthfighter Nope. Since today they have no clue what exactly caused this.

Then how did they know to give you methylene blue?

I don't know how to get it now but I paid 30,00$ for 100g and I (this is not a recommendation) would personally take max. 10g without anything and mix it with something you like. Maybe an anti-nausea medicine but nothing more. In my case, 2g without going to hospital was enough.

What does "I don't know how to get it now" mean?

 

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Then how did they know to give you methylene blue?

What does "I don't know how to get it now" mean?

Symptoms maybe? Lol

 

[Joeydoe]

Omg, I'm so sorry, such a rookie mistake! :(

A medical student doesn't realize the difference?
So then they did, in fact, suspect it might be sn?
If you want to die do badly, why go to the hospital?

 

[takemenowpls]

Thank you for sharing. You went through a lot for this.

 

[icetea15]

Then how did they know to give you methylene blue?

What does "I don't know how to get it now" mean?

1. Because mythelenblue and toluidinblue are common used antidots to decrease the amount of methoglobine in your blood no matter what it caused. It eliminates this symptom.

2. Someone asked me how to get SN and I told him "I don't know how to get it NOW" because mine is like a year old and since then I haven't spent a minute in researching how to obtain it now. English is my second language and even now I think this sentence is grammatically correct Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[aleph_zero]

1. Because mythelenblue and toluidinblue are common used antidots to decrease the amount of methoglobine in your blood no matter what it caused. It eliminates this symptom.

2. Someone asked me how to get SN and I told him "I don't know how to get it NOW" because mine is like a year old and since then I haven't spent a minute in researching how to obtain it now. English is my second language and even now I think this sentence is grammatically correct Correct me if I'm wrong.

Why wouldn't you get it from the same supplier? I'm asking because I'm waiting for him to ship my package(which I doubt that he will actually do), so I'm wondering if there's a good reason that you're avoiding him now

 

[WaitingForMyRide]

Thank you for this write-up. All though I do think you went through some unnecessary suffering. But hey, I understand if you wanted to test out the effects before you CTB.

 

[Joeydoe]

A medical student doesn't realize the difference?
So then they did, in fact, suspect it might be sn?
If you want to die do badly, why go to the hospital?

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[wljourney]

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The person you were quoting (and are now trolling) is just another member here. Not the medical student. They also made the comment "rookie mistake" regarding an article mixing up nitrate and nitrite as well as different styles of writing sums of money (with and without comma). It happens. Nothing to poke someone for.

The medical student is @icetea15

Two different people.

 

[Mofreeko]

@icetea15 's documenting his experience with SN is invaluable to me. It really put my mind at ease with this method.

 

[Joeydoe]

The person you were quoting (and are now trolling) is just another member here. Not the medical student. They also made the comment "rookie mistake" regarding an article mixing up nitrate and nitrite as well as different styles of writing sums of money (with and without comma). It happens. Nothing to poke someone for.

The medical student is @icetea15

Two different people.

I apologize for inciting your scolding. Am I not free to ask questions? Should I silence myself in the face of the threat of being called names? We are here to share genuine information about ending our lives as peacefully as possible, no? So are we expected to take just any-old-body's word for it without question, or shouldn't we call people out when their stories make no sense, in an attempt to prevent some unsuspecting individual from following methods that may, could, be inaccurate and may, could, cause them potentially severe consequences?

 

[emgrl]

I apologize for inciting your scolding. Am I not free to ask questions? Should I silence myself in the face of the threat of being called names? We are here to share genuine information about ending our lives as peacefully as possible, no? So are we expected to take just any-old-body's word for it without question, or shouldn't we call people out when their stories make no sense, in an attempt to prevent some unsuspecting individual from following methods that may, could, be inaccurate and may, could, cause them potentially severe consequences?

Absolutely, you're free to ask anything you want, I get your questions… you were just asking the wrong person. Hope that helps clarify things a bit

 

[AliceTheGoon]

The reality is that we have no idea of his training, credentials, or anything at all that makes him more reliable than any other random person when it comes to medical topics. I'm not saying he's lying about having been in med school; I don't think he is. But when he makes such claims about completely unconfirmed things- such as saying that the standard protocol dose of SN has a high chance of failing- it is irresponsible and potentially dangerous to cite his medical experience as a way to legitimize that.

Can't disagree with this post, hell I'm here because of the "medical view" on things which is severely lacking in some very important areas, particularly the mechanism and systemic interaction of medication. But I like this idea of an intermediate dose that might be a bit more frog in the pot.

 

[wljourney]

Absolutely, you're free to ask anything you want, I get your questions… you were just asking the wrong person. Hope that helps clarify things a bit

Exactly. Thank you.

@Joeydoe nobody is calling you names or threatening you. I pointed out that you made a mistake and that @Advisor321 is not @icetea15
Different people. Unrelated apology for a mixup. Not the fault of the OP. People make mistakes and sometimes they need to be made aware so they don't go down a rabbit hole.

Some people say "oops, my bad" and we all move on. Others of course cry over being censored, silenced or whatnot. It's a choice.

 

[Joeydoe]

Exactly. Thank you.

@Joeydoe nobody is calling you names or threatening you. I pointed out that you made a mistake and that @Advisor321 is not @icetea15
Different people. Unrelated apology for a mixup. Not the fault of the OP. People make mistakes and sometimes they need to be made aware so they don't go down a rabbit hole.

Some people say "oops, my bad" and we all move on. Others of course cry over being censored, silenced or whatnot. It's a choice.

That's precisely what I would have done had I not been called a troll.

 

[Justnotme]

@icetea15 Thank you very much for sharing your experience and not disregarding forum members who are worried about this method. Tell me, please, what do you think about nitrite and gastritis? Is there a possibility that I will be hurt if I have chronic gastritis (not an ulcer, but gastritis)?

 

[hunterfla]

Thank you for telling your story, it's a most fascinating and useful for those of us who want/need to know what happens in a real life scenario. Also, how are you doing now?

 

[ge0rge]

op is hot, wish we could make out (when not brown in the face)

 

[hunterfla]

op is hot, wish we could make out (when not brown in the face)

I thought the same thing, though I would still do it with tubes and all LOL

 

[ge0rge]

oh to be horny and suicidal

 

[hunterfla]

oh to be horny and suicidal

story of my life :P

 

[That's Not Me]

Forgive me for the possibly silly question, but all those scars and marks on your skin are from the tubes they put in you right? I won't look like that if I consume SN right? I ask this because I was quite agonized to see it and I don't know if I could handle the anxiety of seeing it on my skin. It certainly wouldn't be a peaceful suicide with all that anxiety. I guess I'm one of those people who almost faints when they go for a blood test lol