Resource SN megathread

[a753]

I just got my SN. I haven't opened the box yet but when I shake it it makes a rattling sound. I have hard clumps of SN, is that normal?

 

[aminend]

I just got my SN. I haven't opened the box yet but when I shake it it makes a rattling sound. I have hard clumps of SN, is that normal?

Yes thats normal. My SN is same urs

 

[a753]

Yes thats normal. My SN is same urs

Thanks

 

[Throwaway8675309]

It was in reply to your question on fatality rate. It is 100% lethal, if done correctly you will CTB. It only becomes non lethal if a person doesn't do the method properly,(although can still result in death) which in my opinion doesn't count as a failure(maybe a failure of following the correct procedure!!)

Oh okay. Even the stat dose method? Mind if I PM you?

 

[checkouttime]

Oh okay. Even the stat dose method? Mind if I PM you?

do you mean the 25g? with a 2nd or even 3rd cup aswell? No i don't mind

 

[Throwaway8675309]

do you mean the 25g? with a 2nd or even 3rd cup aswell? No i don't mind

Yeah I think so and okay.

 

[PartlyHuman]

Can I combine SN with atarax as a sedative?

 

[carplad]

This post will be dedicated to compiling all the information we have on the Sodium Nitrite method (SN), including what else is needed and comparing it to other popular methods.

Before starting, I HIGHLY encourage you read most, if not all, of the chapters on the PPH, as this method may not be the most suited for you.

First of all, let's discuss why this method works, and how it kills.

Spoiler: The effects of Sodium Nitrite

Sodium Nitrite, NaNO2, acts as a catalyst in the conversion of the hemoglobin in your blood into methemoglobin (MetHB), a molecule with a much higher affinity with oxygen. This occurs when the ferrous ions in the regular hemoglobin are converted into ferric ones.
Since it's affinity is so high, methemoglobin cannot let the oxygen flow into other tissues that need it, thus depriving them of oxygen even while you're breathing. Death, then, occurs by hypoxia.
Sodium Nitrite poisoning symptoms include nausea, vertigo, vomiting, very heavy headaches and, should you manage to not pass out for too long, seizures.
The PPH claims that, during a monitored suicide with SN, the patient was unconscious at 12 minutes and dead by 35. However, some sources claim that SN poisoning might take as much as 8 hours to kill, probably due to low dosage.
Since methemoglobin creation is a natural process in our bodies, you must be aware that a certain enzyme works to transform it back into hemoglobin again. This is why the recommended dosage has varied on the PPH so much, as the syntetization of these enzymes and their "power" to overcome the formation of MetHB depends purely on your body, thus making a normal, general dose for all who chose this method very hard to determine, unlike N.

As for the physical symptoms your body will experience, not much will really change. Since your blood will mainly be MetHB, it will take on a bluish chocolate brown color, and the tips of your fingers, toes and nose (amongst others) will turn slightly blue from cyanosis.

Now, lets take a look at the "shopping cart".

Spoiler: What is needed for this method?

You'll need the following:

SN: The main compund for this method, Sodium Nitrite is easy enough to find. You're looking for >98% purity Nitrite. This chemical is sold without regulation and can be bought from Amazon, Ebay or any lab supplier in your area. 100 grams cost between 8 and 10€. This chemical is completely legal to own and is used during curation of meats to preserve their color. It's described as "White to yellowish powder/crystals" and it's said to have "slightly salty taste". It is also very soluble in water.
The recommended dose from the PPH is 15 grams, however, this has increased on different issues, from only 5, to 12 and now to 15.
Very important: You're looking for Sodium Nitrite, not Sodium Nitrate; NaNO2, not NaNO3.
Should you not find it just by looking up Sodium Nitrite, look for: NaNO2, NNaO2 or Filmerine. Make sure you're buying what you want and that it's purity is high enough. For more information on it plus some industrial sellers, check Sodium Nitrite on Pubchem.

Antiemetics: Strong enough antiemetics for this method are not OTC, so you'll need to see your way around this. You're looking for Metoclopramide or any of it's commercial names, like Reglan/Primperan. This antiemetic needs to be a Dopamine blocker for it to work.
Antiemetics aren't 100% necessary for this method, however; just like with N, you wont accomplish anything if you end up puking it all out, which is likely. This will also most likely be the bulk of the money you'll use during this method.

Acid Regulators: Another thing recommended in the PPH is raising your stomach's pH to make the SN more effective. This can be accomplished with drugs like Tagamet (The one recommended on the PPH, 800mg, which is to my knowledge OTC) or even bicarbonate, though not as effective.

Spoiler: A few extra comments

I recently got asked a few things regarding SN. First of all, you must know that the effects of this poisoning are completely reversible. It is very unlikely that you will have any permanent damage should you be "saved" during your attempt. Secondly, since this method relies on hypoxia, cardiovascular problems will reduce the amount of MetHB in blood needed to actually kill you. This, however, shouldnt really be a problem since it is sold starting from 100 grams, far more than the amount needed.

Lastly, there have been cases of people recovering from SN poisoning without any "side effects", but even if the ambulance is called soon enough, it is not certain that you will survive.

Should you have any question you can't find the answer of, please comment it and maybe you'll find someone on this community who knows.
Also, should you have any more information you'd like to share, please post it and tag me so I can edit this post and get it included. Thank you.

Can you take diazepam to calm you down if so when? Thanks

 

[I am tired]

I have heart disease that makes my blood oxygen saturation low, around 88. Could this make ctb with SN faster?

 

[Greenberg]

I have heart disease that makes my blood oxygen saturation low, around 88. Could this make ctb with SN faster?

It will definitely hasten your CTB.

 

[Horsey Brown Panda]

I have heart disease that makes my blood oxygen saturation low, around 88. Could this make ctb with SN faster?

Yep it will for sure, SN interact with Hemoglobin resulting in a drop of the O2 saturation so the lower your O2 saturation is already the quicker it should kill you.

However you can also expect that you have developped a bit of a resistance to lower O2 saturation level. So you still have to make sure to use SN with at least 95% purity and still take the usual dosage.

 

[Throwaway8675309]

Does anyone know if zantac would work in lieu of tagamet?

 

[oono]

a question please, to take the propranolol with the drink sn you have to crush the propranolol tablets and then mix it into the drink?

 

[Owl of Minerva]

I had to change the container of my SN and found that it sticks to plastic surfaces - the new container is transparent and I can clearly see a layer of the salt stuck to the plastic walls.. is this a normal property of SN? could it mean my sample is contaminated? is it perhaps due to moisture?

 

[fly away]

Wait, only 4 Klonopin did that to you?
That's my daily dose!

Mine too! Does nothing anymore, unfortunately

 

[Throwaway8675309]

Does anyone know if this method makes a lot of noise?

 

[Greenberg]

Does anyone know if this method makes a lot of noise?

For SN, there is the potential for nausea and vomiting. Best!

 

[aminend]

Does anyone know if this method makes a lot of noise?

As I saw near and after unconsciousness there is some noise like smooth moaning and groaning for 5_10 mints. It can be heard in adjacent room

 

[carplad]

How long does SN last once mixed with water?

 

[dark_angel]

How long does SN last once mixed with water?

I read it lasts a couple hours or so

 

[oono]

does anyone name an effective antacid for sn as stated in the stan guide? I often see the name "tagamet", is it recommended?

 

[Throwaway8675309]

For SN, there is the potential for nausea and vomiting. Best!

Hmm.. Alright. Thank you.

As I saw near and after unconsciousness there is some noise like smooth moaning and groaning for 5_10 mints. It can be heard in adjacent room

Oh okay. Thanks.

 

[Owl of Minerva]

Is 25g SN a bit excessive? say if you're normal weight and want to minimize risk of vomiting/uncomfortableness + maybe reduce the skin discoloration is 15g fine for the job?

I'm prepared to go all the way just curious

 

[SosoruzeDosukoi]

Does anyone know how long one would be unconscious for with a failed attempt? Reading the nonfatal SN document, it seems like an hour or so, and you'll feel like crap for a while after.

 

[Rae82]

Does anyone know how long one would be unconscious for with a failed attempt? Reading the nonfatal SN document, it seems like an hour or so, and you'll feel like crap for a while after.

I don't know but reading that scared the crap out of me!

 

[aminend]

Does anyone know how long one would be unconscious for with a failed attempt? Reading the nonfatal SN document, it seems like an hour or so, and you'll feel like crap for a while after.

I think if unconsciousness happens after SN that person will die without getting medical helps

 

[checkouttime]

I think if unconsciousness happens after SN that person will die without getting medical helps

A person won't 'fail' an attempt if they are not found and follow the protocol, thats a FACT. Its not method that fails, it's a person not doing that method correctly.

you take SN and aren't found, you won't survive 100%

all reported failures are for specific reasons, the main ones are calling for help or being found. you can see that in the thread with the reasons listed in

 

[Stjt2222]

Someone please help. I need SN in the UK. Cost is not a barrier, I just need a source. Please.

 

[roguetrader]

A person won't 'fail' an attempt if they are not found and follow the protocol, thats a FACT. Its not method that fails, it's a person not doing that method correctly.

you take SN and aren't found, you won't survive 100%

all reported failures are for specific reasons, the main ones are calling for help or being found. you can see that in the thread with the reasons listed in

Are you sure? What it you puke but pass out and are not found in a day or two?

 

[checkouttime]

You are advised to take 25g, that is far more SN than is needed for a person to CTB (i think its as little as 5g listed in the PPH is a lethal amount).

If you are sick straight away, you may vomit the majority out. you aren't going to pass out at this point so you would have time to drink from the extra 1 or 2 glasses that are recommended as a back up.

If you are at the point of passing out from SN and are sick, its likely you will have swallowed a lethal dose! in that case if you were not then found by anyone you would still CTB, as it has been recorded even a small amount(alot less than is initially ingested) is still lethal.