Resource SN megathread

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I've received 30g of SN from eBay in the mail today. I don't have immediate plans to use it, and it's unlikely I will announce it when I do (in case I change my mind about the date). But if I use it and survive, I will come back and share about it. I think it will do the trick, though.

 

[Jon_Doe]

Hi there just some questions about SN method. The pphb says to take 800mg of taganet 30 minutes prior if this is unavailable to me would another H2 Blocker such as ranitidine work ? Also as an anti nause would prochlorperazine work instead if metoclopromide as that's all I can get.- would the dosage be the same. Lastly and probably most importangy Im worried that ill prepare everything commit the act and it wont work- is there much evidence showing SN is a successful option as i cannot get N. and should i take more than 15gm as a young adult in case my body is stronger.
Thank you for helping me

I don't know where you live, but in USA, you can order Tagamet for $10 off Amazon. I'm a bit younger myself. Going to shoot for 25g or so.

 

[Jon_Doe]

I strongly favor sn to end it all but I am afraid of vomiting it all out and thus surviving the attempt.
Does anyone know where to get anti-emetics reliably in central europe(germany)? That's the only missing piece for me.

I was also wondering if injecting a sn solution would work as good as drinking it. Theoretically it should. Or maybe taking it rectally to avoid puking. But then it could just sip out again when the body goes unconscious... I am really afraid of surviving an attempt and ending up a vegetable, but I guess that's the risk we all have to take.

That's why they sell butt plugs (;

 

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I don't know where you live, but in USA, you can order Tagamet for $10 off Amazon. I'm a bit younger myself. Going to shoot for 25g or so.

To respond to a few inquiries/points raised on this thread recently:

You can also get Tagamet from the grocery store (health/pharmacy section) in the US. You can check the Tagamet website and it will tell you which stores close to you stock it. I will be surprised if it's more than $5. That's the only missing piece for me now, but I'll get some this week.

Someone posted a screenshot (on another thread I believe) of the page from the updated PPH where Nitschke recommends 800mg of Tagamet 30 minutes before taking the SN. Thanks!

I understand that, if medically treated for SN poisoning, people make a full recovery. I collect that a person either dies from the poisoning, or they are treated and return to normal - no turning into a vegetable. I haven't so far encountered any accounts of an SN attempt where the person survived, with damage.

The lethal dose of SN is supposed to be as little as 1-3g for an adult human, according to the PPH. Therefore 15g is already a generous amount. I think this amount would be sufficient even for a healthy, young adult (like myself), or a larger person. But to each their own.

In the May or June 2018 PPH update, Nitschke recommends 10g SN with 4x10g metoclopramide. If you take more SN, you may want to increase the amount of meto you take. He has 1 10mg tablet for every 2.5g of SN. So for each additional 2.5g you take, you may want to take 1 extra 10mg meto pill. On this logic, I will take 6 meto tablets, since I will use 15g of SN. (But maybe there is a point at which taking more meto doesn't make a difference, or it causes negative effects - I don't know.)

 

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A pretty comprehensive page on SN poisoning: symptoms and case reports. I find it really helpful.

https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+757

 

[fuckthis]

Hi, I'm ordering the things needed to SN and needed others certification. Just to make sure I'm getting the right things. I read the main post on the SN megathread. I'm from the UK and am ordering Primperan from Greece on eBay. I'm also obtaining SN that is labeled as 99%+ in purity on eBay. I tried looking for something such as Tagamet as an acid regulator but can't find anything on ebay. Are there any alternatives that do the same job and are available to order in the UK?

 

[Bodhisattva]

For preparation of the SN, is warm or cold water used to dissolve the substance?

 

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Hi, I'm ordering the things needed to SN and needed others certification. Just to make sure I'm getting the right things. I read the main post on the SN megathread. I'm from the UK and am ordering Primperan from Greece on eBay. I'm also obtaining SN that is labeled as 99%+ in purity on eBay. I tried looking for something such as Tagamet as an acid regulator but can't find anything on ebay. Are there any alternatives that do the same job and are available to order in the UK?

So far so good! I've been on the same track as you. Picking up my Tagamet tomorrow.

Tagamet is an H2 antagonist. Zantac is also, so that may work instead.

 

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For preparation of the SN, is warm or cold water used to dissolve the substance?

Either ought to work. The PPH simply says SN is highly soluble, and doesn't specify that warm water is needed.

I was thinking of that this morning, and I think it would be grosser to drink if it were warm. Since the aim is to make it something I will actually do, I will stick with room temp.

 

[fuckthis]

So far so good! I've been on the same track as you. Picking up my Tagamet tomorrow.

Tagamet is an H2 antagonist. Zantac is also, so that may work instead.

I think I'll order some Zantac off of Amazon, thanks!

 

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I think I'll order some Zantac off of Amazon, thanks!

Maybe confirm it through reading as an appropriate acid reducer, but - glad I could help!

 

[Ella Disenchanted]

I'm thinking of going with this method and the one thing that concerns me that I haven't seen mentioned is the fact that SN is highly combustible. I want to purchase it ahead of time. How do I store it safely in the meantime? I don't want to endanger my neighbours, and dying by fire isn't a way I want to go. Sorry if it's a stupid question.

 

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I'm thinking of going with this method and the one thing that concerns me that I haven't seen mentioned is the fact that SN is highly combustible. I want to purchase it ahead of time. How do I store it safely in the meantime? I don't want to endanger my neighbours, and dying by fire isn't a way I want to go. Sorry if it's a stupid question.

Are you sure you're not thinking of sodium azide? That is quite hazardous. I haven't read anything about SN being combustible; it's used extensively in meat processing, so I'd think couldn't be too hazardous? The PPH just says it has a nearly indefinite shelf life.

 

[Ella Disenchanted]

Yeah.. it's not flammable but combustible. Unfortunately I'm not great with science/chemistry so when I try to read more on it, my eyes glaze over. Maybe it's not that bad.. after all flour can cause explosions. I just want to know what I'm getting before I purchase it.

 

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Yeah.. it's not flammable but combustible. Unfortunately I'm not great with science/chemistry so when I try to read more on it, my eyes glaze over. Maybe it's not that bad.. after all flour can cause explosions. I just want to know what I'm getting before I purchase it.

I see. It's also hazardous coming into contact with eyes, skin, and breathing. My understanding is just that it doesn't pose any hazard to store it, nor to the people who find you. I could be missing something.

 

[Shay]

Why do you guys consider SN as a peaceful method when medical literature suggests it is risky, painful and a long drawn out process? I know this post will be unpopular but just wish to learn what you guys have read which makes this method appealing to you

In your opinion, as a surgeon, what methods seem to be more effective

 

[Duqu]

I see. It's also hazardous coming into contact with eyes, skin, and breathing. My understanding is just that it doesn't pose any hazard to store it, nor to the people who find you. I could be missing something.

I'm just storing it in my closet, away from direct light/heat and such so it doesn't degenerate (though I know it has a good shelf life which is good since I don't plan on CTB right away)

 

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A useful video on the use of SN for a peaceful death by Philip Nitschke:

 

[Arak]

It's basically death by nitrite poisoning, isn't it ?

 

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It's basically death by nitrite poisoning, isn't it ?

Yes. It just includes a few tidbits about the SN method that I hadn't seen before.

Psychologically, it was helpful to see 15g dissolved in 50ml water. Just a few sips.

In your thread you mention being skeptical of very cheap SN. He talks about it being just a few pounds in Europe (obv British currency) for a kilo, so your sources may be legit. It's a bit more expensive in the US, but still cheap: I got 30g from a chemical supplier for $10, including shipping.

 

[Duqu]

It's basically death by nitrite poisoning, isn't it ?

Well, yes. It's depriving the red blood cells of oxygen which deprives your brain of oxygen which kills you. Interestingly, in the movie he said it has a kind of "euphoric" effect (he said something about drinking a lot of alcohol or climbing to the top of the roller coaster) as your blood pressure tanks, so I don't know why the benzos and all that are necessary if it's semi-PLEASANT (other than potential of seizures and such) ETA which, as an epileptic I can clearly say you never remember the seizure happening if it's grand mal. The start to finish, and the beginning of waking up are absolutely gone. When you start waking up you're super confused (I remember thinking "jeez I've had a seizure I should call someone" and searching for the cable modem thinking it was my cell phone.

ETA 2 and some time after the seizure/s and your brain is kinda coming back you feel a lot of joint and muscle pain from your limbs seizing, and you're very nauseous and have a nasty headache. But I have a feeling by the time you would have reached that point you'll be dead from SN poisoning so it's moot.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Well, yes. It's depriving the red blood cells of oxygen which deprives your brain of oxygen which kills you. Interestingly, in the movie he said it has a kind of "euphoric" effect (he said something about drinking a lot of alcohol or climbing to the top of the roller coaster) as your blood pressure tanks, so I don't know why the benzos and all that are necessary if it's semi-PLEASANT (other than potential of seizures and such) ETA which, as an epileptic I can clearly say you never remember the seizure happening if it's grand mal. The start to finish, and the beginning of waking up are absolutely gone. When you start waking up you're super confused (I remember thinking "jeez I've had a seizure I should call someone" and searching for the cable modem thinking it was my cell phone.

ETA 2 and some time after the seizure/s and your brain is kinda coming back you feel a lot of joint and muscle pain from your limbs seizing, and you're very nauseous and have a nasty headache. But I have a feeling by the time you would have reached that point you'll be dead from SN poisoning so it's moot.

It's definitely not euphoric nor painless. See this more updated video by Nitschke from 13:20 on nitrite. Notice how his position on the substance has changed.

https://www.facebook.com/philip.nit...089898048/?type=2&video_source=user_video_tab

 

[Duqu]

It's definitely not euphoric nor painless. See this more updated video by Nitschke from 13:20 on nitrite. Notice how his position on the substance has changed.

https://www.facebook.com/philip.nit...089898048/?type=2&video_source=user_video_tab

That's what I THOUGHT but was super confused by the embedded video above. I don't know when it was though.

 

[Duqu]

Is there a way to open that without opening facebook?

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

That's what I THOUGHT but was super confused by the embedded video above. I don't know when it was though.

It was uploaded about 3 months ago. Sorry I don't know whether there is a version which can be viewed without facebook.

 

[Duqu]

Yeah I don't want to log in to facebook because then facebook (terrifying as The Mother Company is turning into...like Google!) will have a record of my being on the video and probably spam me with ads regarding it.

 

[OfficerK]

It's definitely not euphoric nor painless. See this more updated video by Nitschke from 13:20 on nitrite. Notice how his position on the substance has changed.

https://www.facebook.com/philip.nit...089898048/?type=2&video_source=user_video_tab

IMO you're exaggerating how much his opinion has changed. He still says that it's "relatively peaceful", and the way I understand it he is primarily talking about the unpleasantness associated with being aware of the death process rather than physical pain.

After all, he is comparing SN with what is well known to probably be the best substance available. Of course it's preferable to get a hold of the most effective and peaceful method if it can be done, but for many that is simply not possible. He is still very much recommending it for those who are unable to attain Nembutal.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Yeah I don't want to log in to facebook because then facebook (terrifying as The Mother Company is turning into...like Google!) will have a record of my being on the video and probably spam me with ads regarding it.

I opened a phantom account with everything switched off and access it using VPN. Facebook is not a social media company, it's a data collection agency so i understand your concerns.

 

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It's definitely not euphoric nor painless. See this more updated video by Nitschke from 13:20 on nitrite. Notice how his position on the substance has changed.

https://www.facebook.com/philip.nit...089898048/?type=2&video_source=user_video_tab

Really helpful, thank you. For anyone who can't watch, here's what I took away from it:

- Nembutal remains preferable to SN because it puts you to sleep, whereas you are awake with SN until you lose consciousness (from dying?).
- Reports coming into Exit International are suggesting that it may take 15-20 mins to lose consciousness with SN. (Consider that this may also be an older demographic.)
- Nitschke says that SN is unlikely to be painful, but it's not as peaceful as N because of the two points above.

Really glad to see anything I can about this method. This video hasn't changed my preference for SN (I would do N if I could obtain it, but I cannot; and I think I would also struggle to drink 200ml of the bad-tasting liquid), but the 15-20 minute window is good to keep in mind. Nitschke doesn't suggest at any point that it is painful. (But who knows - that may be a case by case basis.)

FYI - The NuTech video above (not the fb one) says that a strong headache is likely with azide, because of the immense sudden drop in blood pressure. SN creates a rapid fall in blood pressure, too (hypotension), but not at as rapid a rate, so the headache risk is less.

 

[Duqu]

Thank you! I've got my SN (and opioids as backup), tagamet, meto, and benzos (though I'm not sure I have enough benzo's...I forget the count but something like 100mg klonopin and however many mg 40ish 15mg temazepam are. I also have very sedating anti-psychotics (thorazine) that I take to sleep already so I'll just take a bit more. Also helps that it doubles as an anti-emetic!