Resource SN megathread

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@Arak

I have access to a lot of benzo's, opioids (enough opioids to kill myself with actually; I haven't decided between that and SN), and Thorazine (a very sedating antipsychotic I take to sleep normally...I'd just take 3x the dose).

 

[Arak]

@OfficerK ,

Checked, Nembutal is pentobarbital. In theory I should be able to get it, but by mail ?? I haven't investigated, but don't think it's an option. if I could travel the way I could when I was 30 years old I'd have a lot of other options.

Hey, can anyone get me an anti tank mine ? That should do the trick ...

 

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@OfficerK ,

Checked, Nembutal is pentobarbital. In theory I should be able to get it, but by mail ?? I haven't investigated, but don't think it's an option. if I could travel the way I could when I was 30 years old I'd have a lot of other options.

Hey, can anyone get me an anti tank mine ? That should do the trick ...

Och, if you had Nembutal, you'd just want to take that - it's considered the pinnacle of a peaceful suicide. No need to team it with SN : )

There are long sections on Nembutal in this PPH edition, with a contact for purchasing it and receiving by mail - if you'd like to explore that. It's definitely Nitschke's favorite option. Mine, too, if I could buy it without being found out (my mom would become aware of it).
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-2NX0jVOjCrOJycMsy3KLXHMSGL3MSnV

 

[Arak]

@windingdown ,

Thank you very much for that link.

I get the feeling that Nitschke downplays certain issues. Time till death, physical suffering, reliability. He doesn't mention nausea as a symptom of oxygen deprivation. I guess his methods are more likely to work if you are 75 years old, dying anyway, and are already suffering horrible pain.

I'm skeptical. I think rightly so. Determined young and healthy people who are abel to make the right choice and the group mentioned above can commit the act more reliably than people 'in between'. If I were 30 years old and really wanted to, I guess I could jump into an active volcano in Japan. No coming back from that one.

SN, it doesn't look that good unless you are able to knock yourself out with sedatives. Partly because of tolerance issues that would be very hard for me to do. In the end, doctors will kill you, but sometimes very, very slowly ...

 

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eat ranitidine, it is said that the acidity of the stomach acid is weak and the absorption of antiemetics is low.
ppeh is ranitidine> antiemetics, but does it really reduce absorption of antiemetics?
Should I eat every few minutes?
Are there any general drugs because specialty drugs are difficult to obtain?
Is the shelf life of sodium nitrite two years?

 

[Readytoendit]

I finally got my Tagamet (cimetidine) today! It cost $12 ($10 with a coupon) OTC in the US. Now I have everything :-)

Does tagamet make it act faster? Sorry for my ignorance just found out about this method.

 

[Readytoendit]

How long will it take for sodium nitrite to take affect? The only reason I'm considering this method is it's easily available, but if it takes to long I may consider something quicker.

 

[Arak]

@Readytoendit ,

Start ? Reasonably quick. It's the time till you lose consciousness and die that's the issue. i don't recall the numbers, but it may take hours or longer ?

 

[Readytoendit]

@Arak

For clarification your saying I can stay conscious for hours? Damn, that really puts a damper on things. My survival instinct will activate by then.

 

[Arak]

@Readytoendit ,

From memory that is imperfect. What is common is different from what can happen. Research, research. Lots of variables: my guess is that elderly people who are already in great pain are more likely to die.

 

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@Readytoendit ,

Start ? Reasonably quick. It's the time till you lose consciousness and die that's the issue. i don't recall the numbers, but it may take hours or longer ?

Careful about misinformation about this method! I've read/watched everything I've been able to about this method, and time to unconsciousness should be 5-20 minutes.

For more detailed info on the SN method, see the chapter on Inorganic Lethal Salts in the May 2018 update of the PPH (Resources section of this forum). It's the chapter with the picture of a man in bed on the front.

 

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Does tagamet make it act faster? Sorry for my ignorance just found out about this method.

It does. It reduces the acidity of the stomach, which I understand increases the rate of absorption of the SN by the gut.

 

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@Readytoendit ,

From memory that is imperfect. What is common is different from what can happen. Research, research. Lots of variables: my guess is that elderly people who are already in great pain are more likely to die.

From what Philip Nitschke (Exit International) says/writes, SN is highly reliable. He says, 'you will die'. The variability is around how long it will take from person to person, and what the experience of death will be like. As I mention above, his work shows the time to unconsciousness to be 5-20 minutes. He provides no indication that this is a painful way to die. Headache is possible; vomiting is unlikely to occur, particularly with an anti-emetic, which is recommended. It may be frightening, as you do not fall asleep as with Nembutal, but may be aware of losing consciousness.

But then, which method isn't frightening?! Nembutal or another reliable overdose is the least, I should think, although few people have access to this.

 

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eat ranitidine, it is said that the acidity of the stomach acid is weak and the absorption of antiemetics is low.
ppeh is ranitidine> antiemetics, but does it really reduce absorption of antiemetics?
Should I eat every few minutes?
Are there any general drugs because specialty drugs are difficult to obtain?
Is the shelf life of sodium nitrite two years?

I don't think you should eat with this method.
I don't think there's good evidence either way about whether the acid reducer lessens the absorption of the anti-emetics. I saw someone mention that, but there's no reliable source regarding this idea.

In the PPH, Nitschke recommends taking the anti-emetic 30 minutes prior to taking the SN. He initially recommends drinking sodium bicarbonate in water 'shortly before' taking the SN, but I'm not sure what timing he recommends for Tagamet since he moved to that recommendation. At Dignitas, the anti-emetic is taken 30 minutes before the Nembutal, so perhaps that's where that recommendation comes from. I think the idea at this time is to take the anti-emetic and the Tagamet at the same time, 30 minutes before.

Nitschke also refers to the shelf life of SN as 'nearly indefinite'. He says it should be sealed in a plastic container. (I think I've read that exposure to air converts it to niTRATE? But I'm not certain).

 

[OfficerK]

I don't think you should eat with this method.
I don't think there's good evidence either way about whether the acid reducer lessens the absorption of the anti-emetics. I saw someone mention that, but there's no reliable source regarding this idea.

In the PPH, Nitschke recommends taking the anti-emetic 30 minutes prior to taking the SN. He initially recommends drinking sodium bicarbonate in water 'shortly before' taking the SN, but I'm not sure what timing he recommends for Tagamet since he moved to that recommendation. At Dignitas, the anti-emetic is taken 30 minutes before the Nembutal, so perhaps that's where that recommendation comes from. I think the idea at this time is to take the anti-emetic and the Tagamet at the same time, 30 minutes before.

Nitschke also refers to the shelf life of SN as 'nearly indefinite'. He says it should be sealed in a plastic container. (I think I've read that exposure to air converts it to niTRATE? But I'm not certain).

Tagamet's website says to take it "before your first bite or any time up to 30 minutes before eating food or drinking beverages that may cause heartburn".

https://www.tagamet.com/about-tagamet-heartburn-relief-medicine

 

[Readytoendit]

(I think I've read that exposure to air converts it to niTRATE? But I'm not certain).

I've read somewhere else in this thread that this only happens in extreme pressure and temperature. Sodium nitrite and nitrate is a synthetic and not a natural substance, so this makes sense.

 

[Jon_Doe]

I don't think you should eat with this method.
I don't think there's good evidence either way about whether the acid reducer lessens the absorption of the anti-emetics. I saw someone mention that, but there's no reliable source regarding this idea.

In the PPH, Nitschke recommends taking the anti-emetic 30 minutes prior to taking the SN. He initially recommends drinking sodium bicarbonate in water 'shortly before' taking the SN, but I'm not sure what timing he recommends for Tagamet since he moved to that recommendation. At Dignitas, the anti-emetic is taken 30 minutes before the Nembutal, so perhaps that's where that recommendation comes from. I think the idea at this time is to take the anti-emetic and the Tagamet at the same time, 30 minutes before.

Nitschke also refers to the shelf life of SN as 'nearly indefinite'. He says it should be sealed in a plastic container. (I think I've read that exposure to air converts it to niTRATE? But I'm not certain).

I'm planning on taking the 24 hour Dramamine (meclizine) and the regular Dramamine (dimenhydrinate) in high doses together an hour or more before hand. Then take a high dose of the tagamet (cimetidine) half hour or so before. Then doing 30g or so SN just to make sure I have plenty high of a dose.

 

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Is it ok to use a stat dose of anti emetic? And if so whats a good dose for metoclopramide? In pph it says to use 4x10mg stat but I'm confused cause people in the thread are saying not to

 

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also, any advice to getting metoclopramide prescribed? i saw someone saying to pretend to have a condition called gastroparesis, but is there any simpler way? i've been prescripted zofram for unrelated reasons, so should i just say the zofram doesn't work or something?

 

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For more info on anti-emetic regimes, see here:
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Suicide/Toxification/Antiemetic_regimen

I'm not sure whether to take 4x10g meto, or 6x10g, so I may just take 50g :-) Inevitably, there are no clinical trials to prove the ideal amount, so you'll just need to choose an amount you feel comfortable with.
Nitchke recommends a stat dose. Dignitas also uses this approach, and while N is different from SN, it makes me feel comfortable doing so also.

My only concern about using 30g SN (which is perhaps double what is likely to be a highly lethal dose for most people), is if there is an increased risk of vomiting at higher amounts. This is something we just don't know. Another individual judgment call.

 

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also, any advice to getting metoclopramide prescribed? i saw someone saying to pretend to have a condition called gastroparesis, but is there any simpler way? i've been prescripted zofram for unrelated reasons, so should i just say the zofram doesn't work or something?

I'm no expert on getting prescriptions, but people have mentioned complaining to your Dr about nausea to get a meto Rx.

I believe you're in the US? If you haven't seen it, this is another (non Rx) source of metoclopramide. Lots of people here have used it:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/primperan-...981946?hash=item285c86113a:g:y0UAAOSwEARbFbnB

 

[Deutschv2]

I'm no expert on getting prescriptions, but people have mentioned complaining to your Dr about nausea to get a meto Rx.

I believe you're in the US? If you haven't seen it, this is another (non Rx) source of metoclopramide. Lots of people here have used it:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/primperan-...981946?hash=item285c86113a:g:y0UAAOSwEARbFbnB

yep, US. unfortunately can't have anything ordered to my door, but i'll just say the zofran i got wasn't working, because i do actually have nausea coincidentially. thanks! very helpful postes.

 

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yep, US. unfortunately can't have anything ordered to my door, but i'll just say the zofran i got wasn't working, because i do actually have nausea coincidentially. thanks! very helpful postes.

OK, no mail ordering. Metoclopramide is mainly to prevent nausea and vomiting, so it sounds like you have a natural in!

 

[Arak]

@windingdown ,

Not to be argumentative but it's always possible that things go wrong. Survival instinct will likely kick in if you're not sufficiently sedated. And THAT doesn not work for everyone.

Even so ... those abdominal issues (I already got those, and am not looking for aggrevation) any idea what causes that ? The nitrite poisoning ?

if sodium nitrate was so great wouldn't everyone be using it ? Also, look at Nitschke's perpective: (motsly elderly) people who are dying anyway, and are suffering horribly.

 

[Shay]

@windingdown ,

Not to be argumentative but it's always possible that things go wrong. Survival instinct will likely kick in if you're not sufficiently sedated. And THAT doesn not work for everyone.

Even so ... those abdominal issues (I already got those, and am not looking for aggrevation) any idea what causes that ? The nitrite poisoning ?

if sodium nitrate was so great wouldn't everyone be using it ? Also, look at Nitschke's perpective: (motsly elderly) people who are dying anyway, and are suffering horribly.

I'm afraid of same. 20 to 30 minutes is a really long time to panic and call an ambulance

 

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@windingdown ,

Not to be argumentative but it's always possible that things go wrong. Survival instinct will likely kick in if you're not sufficiently sedated. And THAT doesn not work for everyone.

Even so ... those abdominal issues (I already got those, and am not looking for aggrevation) any idea what causes that ? The nitrite poisoning ?

if sodium nitrate was so great wouldn't everyone be using it ? Also, look at Nitschke's perpective: (motsly elderly) people who are dying anyway, and are suffering horribly.

I take a somewhat different perspective. You've mentioned a few times about seeking help after you've taken something. I would never do that. Once I take it, it's done. I'm just not going to go seeking to be saved. So I will definitely die. For this reason, I'm not worried about the repurcussions of my survival instinct once I've taken SN.

And based on my research, time to unconsciousness is 5-20 minutes. I've had the stomach flu before. It hurt, but I lived. If SN does indeed cause pain, it will be over quickly. I can hang in there. But there's no evidence of definite pain, when taken at a high dose, in the time to unconsciousness. I really, really wish I could come back and share what it was like with you all after I take it. Unfortunately, it seems that anyone who takes SN (except one guy on here who asked for help) is no longer here to share their experience of it. (I take this also as a good sign.)

And I definitely don't presume SN is 'so great'. No suicide method is 'so great', unless there is a peaceful pill that just induces sleep. Nembutal comes close, but unless you take it through a clinic, you have to drink 2 cups (200 ml) veterinary Nembutal, which is very bitter, and which is also a hurdle for people. It would be for me. Based on my reading, SN seems to be the best option for me, out of a lot of frightening options. Part of the problem, though, is that because taking these things results in death, we don't have people here to tell us what it's like. Hopefully Exit International continues to collect data from its members based on observations of death with SN, and other methods they share about, so that people can make increasingly informed choices.

As someone else on here has said, if suicide were easy (I would say, not frightening), a lot more people would be dead.

I don't think Nitschke has meant to suggest that SN is mainly appropriate for those who are dying and suffering horribly, as if it is a horrible way to die, but preferable to the horrible suffering borne by some old people. If that were the case, he'd be recommending something like jumping or hemlock poisoning. The idea with SN, as I understand his message, is to find a peaceful way to die that is accessible to more people than Nembutal is.

 

[Shay]

To respond to a few inquiries/points raised on this thread recently:

You can also get Tagamet from the grocery store (health/pharmacy section) in the US. You can check the Tagamet website and it will tell you which stores close to you stock it. I will be surprised if it's more than $5. That's the only missing piece for me now, but I'll get some this week.

Someone posted a screenshot (on another thread I believe) of the page from the updated PPH where Nitschke recommends 800mg of Tagamet 30 minutes before taking the SN. Thanks!

I understand that, if medically treated for SN poisoning, people make a full recovery. I collect that a person either dies from the poisoning, or they are treated and return to normal - no turning into a vegetable. I haven't so far encountered any accounts of an SN attempt where the person survived, with damage.

The lethal dose of SN is supposed to be as little as 1-3g for an adult human, according to the PPH. Therefore 15g is already a generous amount. I think this amount would be sufficient even for a healthy, young adult (like myself), or a larger person. But to each their own.

In the May or June 2018 PPH update, Nitschke recommends 10g SN with 4x10g metoclopramide. If you take more SN, you may want to increase the amount of meto you take. He has 1 10mg tablet for every 2.5g of SN. So for each additional 2.5g you take, you may want to take 1 extra 10mg meto pill. On this logic, I will take 6 meto tablets, since I will use 15g of SN. (But maybe there is a point at which taking more meto doesn't make a difference, or it causes negative effects - I don't know.)

@windingdown ,

Thank you very much for that link.

I get the feeling that Nitschke downplays certain issues. Time till death, physical suffering, reliability. He doesn't mention nausea as a symptom of oxygen deprivation. I guess his methods are more likely to work if you are 75 years old, dying anyway, and are already suffering horrible pain.

I'm skeptical. I think rightly so. Determined young and healthy people who are abel to make the right choice and the group mentioned above can commit the act more reliably than people 'in between'. If I were 30 years old and really wanted to, I guess I could jump into an active volcano in Japan. No coming back from that one.

SN, it doesn't look that good unless you are able to knock yourself out with sedatives. Partly because of tolerance issues that would be very hard for me to do. In the end, doctors will kill you, but sometimes very, very slowly ...

im a little skeptical too. It's 10 dollars. If it was so successful and easy wouldn't this be a top choice of many? It seems easy to get and cheap.. why would people choose other methods if this is as simple as it sounds

 

[OfficerK]

im a little skeptical too. It's 10 dollars. If it was so successful and easy wouldn't this be a top choice of many? It seems easy to get and cheap.. why would people choose other methods if this is as simple as it sounds

I really don't follow this logic at all. Why do you think we're sitting here discussing it? Other people who CTB know just as much as you. Killing yourself doesn't retroactively make you an omniscient expert in medicine and chemistry.

 

[Shay]

I really don't follow this logic at all. Why do you think we're sitting here discussing it? Other people who CTB know just as much as you. Killing yourself doesn't retroactively make you an omniscient expert in medicine and chemistry.

I'm just a little skeptical. That's all. I guess nothing is a given and I just want to find something that's going to work bc I don't want to fail

 

[OfficerK]

I'm just a little skeptical. That's all. I guess nothing is a given and I just want to find something that's going to work bc I don't want to fail

There's nothing wrong with being sceptical, that's the reason why there's fifteen pages in this thread. I'm just saying that you could have access to the most peaceful pill available - which nitrite isn't, this is only an example - and still use a different method if you were misinformed or even unaware that you had it. After all, only a minority kill themselves using nembutal, despite it being almost definitely the best substance out there.