News Callie Lewis

[Otter]

I did not see the documentary but I have read most of the remarks . with that being said , here is my two cents: I don't necessarily think it's the fault of the NHS, however. If a person does not feel like they belong in this world, there's not much the NHS can do about it,either. The NHS should exist as a first-line help to try and teach some coping mechanisms and some other stuff, but once that stuff is learned and a person still does not feel they belong in this world, there's nothing more the NHS can do. After that point, a person should be allowed to leave this world if they want to and as long as they don't try and take anyone innocent along with them. Society has been taught to institutionalize someone trying to harm themselves so it's no wonder her friend told on her. We just need to make some changes in Society that allow for compassionate ending for a life not wanted. I do believe the parents feel very guilty and are trying to place blame where it does not belong. I'm not necessarily saying the parent is at fault either, if indeed they did try to get her some help. the bottom line for me is, if after she received help she still did not want to be here she should be allowed to leave.
P. S. I am a newbie here and I fully appreciate this forum. also, from the bottom of my heart, I appreciate every single person on here for their time, their sympathetic ear, and their shoulder to lean on!

 

[Mm80]

I did not see the documentary but I have read most of the remarks . with that being said , here is my two cents: I don't necessarily think it's the fault of the NHS, however. If a person does not feel like they belong in this world, there's not much the NHS can do about it,either. The NHS should exist as a first-line help to try and teach some coping mechanisms and some other stuff, but once that stuff is learned and a person still does not feel they belong in this world, there's nothing more the NHS can do. After that point, a person should be allowed to leave this world if they want to and as long as they don't try and take anyone innocent along with them. Society has been taught to institutionalize someone trying to harm themselves so it's no wonder her friend told on her. We just need to make some changes in Society that allow for compassionate ending for a life not wanted. I do believe the parents feel very guilty and are trying to place blame where it does not belong. I'm not necessarily saying the parent is at fault either, if indeed they did try to get her some help. the bottom line for me is, if after she received help she still did not want to be here she should be allowed to leave.

This post is so true. Wouldnt it be refreshing though if the nhs admitted... we have no way of stopping somebody from ending their lives if they no longer want to live. instead of acting/ being treated like superheroes that can save us from ourselves? A whole rethink across society is needed in regards to attitudes towards suicides. There is still the stigma and its only ok to talk aboutvit if your not going to really do it. When somebody ctb i feel compassion and relief for them that they are no longer in pain. Try giving that viewpoint openly in society, the reaction would be hostile

 

[NextSummer]

People have to accept the reality of suicides. It's like the reality of abortion. It exists and you better do it professionally.

 

[Mm80]

This post is so true. Wouldnt it be refreshing though if the nhs admitted... we have no way of stopping somebody from ending their lives if they no longer want to live. instead of acting/ being treated like superheroes that can save us from ourselves? A whole rethink across society is needed in regards to attitudes towards suicides. There is still the stigma and its only ok to talk aboutvit if your not going to really do it. When somebody ctb i feel compassion and relief for them that they are no longer in pain. Try giving that viewpoint openly in society, the reaction would be hostile

Apologies should have said welcome otter. Good to have you on boardcand im sure you will find tge support and compssion tgat you seek here.

 

[Jessamine]

People have to accept the reality of suicides. It's like the reality of abortion. It exists and you better do it professionally.

You are so right!!

 

[foreveryoung]

They will not accept any less than the total annihilation of this website and websites like this one that does allow suicide methods to be posted. The UK government doesn't give a shit about you. Hell, hardly any government gives a shit about their citizens. Mental health treatments are a big joke almost everywhere and everyone knows this. You can take your SSRI's but if your life situation is still shit; They don't mean anything. Therapy is a joke. Anything else isn't worth giving a mention because it's either ineffective or doesn't work.

It was bound to happen. It's like the physics of gravity, no mainstream body is going to allow a suicidal ( leaving ) body to survive for long.. Only a few particles get to escape this universe. The only way for the entire mainstream to realize this existence is nothing but a temporary illusion is an apocalyptical event where we can all witness death at close proximity. Otherwise they will keep you here as long as possible. Thats just how it is.

 

[new life]

I watched this socumentary and agree that Callie chose to do what she did and nobody did anything wrong. She had the human right to choose to end her life and that is where she felt comfortable. Now she is comfortable and at somewhere she likes.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I believe true leaders can and will stand up to questioning, and so I question you here. I believe true leadership is service, and that leaders are responsible to those whom they serve, and so I ask here: Beyond providing a support platform, how does SS intend to actively serve me as a member, and actively serve the ideals of pro-choice and free speech? The SS platform is made public, it is inherently political; I ask: What are the intentions for making posts public and therefore engaging in the political sphere -- is it to openly engage in battle over the right to determine one's own death, or to subversively serve a different agenda?

I don't think we have to stand up to questioning from pro-life people who will have a debate according to their own biased rules. Did you never ask yourself why we're always the ones who always have to answer why suicide is a human right? Why it's never the other way around? That's because they rigged the framework of the whole debate into their own favor. In order to justify the right to die, you first have to debunk that life isn't inherently good and many logical fallacies. Just look up some interviews with Philip Nitschke, they always treat him like a complete fool and the questions are often extremely biased and one-sided. They pretend like he is the crazy person when it's literally the other way around. People who are pro-life never have to justify why they are pro-life, sometimes even so much that I would declare them as pro-suffering instead.

Curious as to who provides the funding to maintain the site. Too many features for a free platform.

You can donate money if I'm not mistaken. It's not that difficult to host a platform like this though. This forum has very basic functions, I can't see anything that would appear shady.

received no public or private response. So I researched. I discovered SS began on the dark web, and that the owner of the site chooses anonymity. Anyone here can research and find this information by searching website ownership and the history of SS.

It's been confirmed that the darkweb SS was run by different people. It was a small website and it failed rather quickly.

From the Bible to John F. Kennedy, it is warned that what is done in secret is up to no good.

Good thing the bible isn't a book of genocide and murder. Also, sometimes you have to act in secret if the whole world is against you. Most of us obtain their methods in secrecy, does that mean we're up to no good either? Your statement doesn't really work well here, in the context of the right to die, which is often a very unfairly treated philosophy. Most of us ctb in secrecy because otherwise we would be locked up in a psych ward, because, surprise surprise, the status quo is against us.

I have publicly asked in this post direct and reasonable questions. Without direct, reasonable, and public responses, I have valid reason to suspect that SS and its leadership are wolves in sheep's clothing, and that the public posts of my heart to meet my and others' needs are being used, or will potentially be used, as tools to serve an agenda.

Sure and what agenda would they have?

 

[soundsofsilence]

I hope this site is around for a long time.

Society could learn a lot from the support, care and respect that the members provide here.

 

[HopeDiesLast]

I received no public or private response. So I researched. I discovered SS began on the dark web, and that the owner of the site chooses anonymity. Anyone here can research and find this information by searching website ownership and the history of SS.

I'm curious what your research revealed? I kinda wish I hadn't...but I did my own little digging into the registrar of this domain and its founder...and I can unequivocally state that a pro-choice/suicide forum is the LEAST offensive/provocative of their domains. If they can successfully defend their other websites against censorship, then I have no doubt they'll be able to protect this forum (which is child's play compared to everything else they support).

 

[calendulo]

Thanks for the link to see video.
Actually I understand better US Speaking English than Britain English, but I think I have connected the dots, at least I've noticed of the script, well I think so. About my written english will be better not to talk, I know, sorry.....I leave you a real proof here.
Callie is a teenager who has mental issues several years ago, depression or like this, I guess, and she is 23th. years old when killed herself.
It shows Police, then I guess protocol about mental issues involves to the police in England or Great Britain, so bad thing.

It shows a young dinamic reporter in front of a laptop while sounds a tension melody, better a scary melody and after that a woman who is tagged like samaritan. I do not know what is a samaritan; but sounds bliblic therefore religious.

Callie's Grandfather is a priest, and all footages of her are selfies.I guess she had not any friend.

I am so sorry, but I think she was The death in advance chronicle, as the book of García Márquez, it starts "He did know that he going to die...........:"

Blockchain exists.......and that story should to call it Failureschain.

Really so sorry.

 

[ohhgeeitsme]

People just cannot accept that suicide is just a part of life and occur with other species, and even with the best of mental health care, it's simply going to happen. Just like any kind of violence. Try all you like, while you can reduce it, it's never going to be 100% preventable and these kind of legal actions will usually do almost nothing except waste time and put more money in a lawyer's pocket.

To me, a great part of being such an intelligent being, is being able to make decisions such as suicide. Our brains evolved in a way that now allow us to make decisions that totally go against instinct. Pretty cool. Honestly, I think suicide can actually be a helpful tool in evolution, when you think about it. There are numerous reasons why people choose to end their life, but I would think right off the top of my head, that simply not being able to effectively function (for whatever reason that may be) is probably the biggest reason and that often times (not always), there is some faulty wiring or various other things happening in the brain. So when you end your life, you also discontinue the ability to pass on those same genes.

 

[Backwood_tilt]

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I think you are greatly simplifying/overlooking the challenge from a technical and legal perspective. Keeping things like this under wraps, is good standard operating procedure. Especially when mainstream western society is directly at odds with the mandate of a site like this.

The CDN switch you mention, the slowdowns we all experience... all of this suggests to me the site is regularly targeted by malicious agents with DDOS attacks. In addition, if you look it up you can easily find black hat hackers talking openly about interfering with this site. This site has a huge target on its back and i find it beyond pragmatic that there is such secrecy about the site's owners and financing.

At the end of the day, this community belongs to and reflects the people that are a part of it, not just the dictates of the moderators and the site owner(s).

 

[TAW122]

People just cannot accept that suicide is just a part of life and occur with other species, and even with the best of mental health care, it's simply going to happen. Just like any kind of violence. Try all you like, while you can reduce it, it's never going to be 100% preventable and these kind of legal actions will usually do almost nothing except waste time and put more money in a lawyer's pocket.

To me, a great part of being such an intelligent being, is being able to make decisions such as suicide. Our brains evolved in a way that now allow us to make decisions that totally go against instinct. Pretty cool. Honestly, I think suicide can actually be a helpful tool in evolution, when you think about it. There are numerous reasons why people choose to end their life, but I would think right off the top of my head, that simply not being able to effectively function (for whatever reason that may be) is probably the biggest reason and that often times (not always), there is some faulty wiring or various other things happening in the brain. So when you end your life, you also discontinue the ability to pass on those same genes.

Well said, also I will add that even if there are preventable cases, most of the time, it never addresses the "why" or reason that drove the suicidal to wanting to die to being with. Until they address the root causes and work towards solving those, not only would suicide rates stay, they may even increase. But of course, people (in general society) don't care about really solving problems, but rather take the easy way out, by writing off the suicidal as mentally ill, irrational, and not of sound mind; thus making it easy to dismiss the suicidal's problems. Utterly disgusting for sure.

 

[Soul]

Is there any way of watching this please not through the BBC?

I hope this works for you:

 

[M]

@Marquis

I am curious as to how this would come about in the real world.

I understand the wisdom of not revealing one's tactics to an enemy; and yet, how can we as members who daily use this site as a resource and vulnerably share our pain, as well as the non-members who daily use this resource, have faith that the SS leadership has not only the intention to represent us as a collective and to fight, but the means and the strategy to do so?

Without evidence to support these claims of intentions to fight, I respectfully assert that it is rhetoric which stirs up the suicidal masses. Your words are powerful; but without correlating action, they are, at best, just words, and at worst, manipulation to serve an unrevealed agenda.

I believe true leaders can and will stand up to questioning, and so I question you here. I believe true leadership is service, and that leaders are responsible to those whom they serve, and so I ask here: Beyond providing a support platform, how does SS intend to actively serve me as a member, and actively serve the ideals of pro-choice and free speech? The SS platform is made public, it is inherently political; I ask: What are the intentions for making posts public and therefore engaging in the political sphere -- is it to openly engage in battle over the right to determine one's own death, or to subversively serve a different agenda?

In January, there was a stickied thread: "The changes that were made to the site have been reversed for the time-being." I posted this comment there:



I received no public or private response. So I researched. I discovered SS began on the dark web, and that the owner of the site chooses anonymity. Anyone here can research and find this information by searching website ownership and the history of SS.

From the Bible to John F. Kennedy, it is warned that what is done in secret is up to no good.

I have publicly asked in this post direct and reasonable questions. Without direct, reasonable, and public responses, I have valid reason to suspect that SS and its leadership are wolves in sheep's clothing, and that the public posts of my heart to meet my and others' needs are being used, or will potentially be used, as tools to serve an agenda.

@Marquis, how do you respond? With silence, or with service?

There is no agenda to be served other than protecting our member's information and making sure that this site remains accessible.

This site isn't related to the SS on the dark web, and I can't reveal much due to the sheer amount of guests (many of which are not here for the best intentions) and the fact that you don't reveal your war plan with your enemy.

I don't see how we're using any of the members to serve an agenda. That would be news to me. I have made many posts regarding the origins of the site and I have explained it as clearly as I could. I obviously can't reveal our real names or anything regarding backend operations for obvious reasons, but if some drastic action happens and the domain is taken down; I will be taking it to court even if it risks my anonymity. That's the drastic action I'm talking about.

This forum means too much to us to not fight for it.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

There is no agenda to be served other than protecting our member's information and making sure that this site remains accessible.

This site isn't related to the SS on the dark web, and I can't reveal much due to the sheer amount of guests (many of which are not here for the best intentions) and the fact that you don't reveal your war plan with your enemy.

I don't see how we're using any of the members to serve an agenda. That would be news to me. I have made many posts regarding the origins of the site and I have explained it as clearly as I could. I obviously can't reveal our real names or anything regarding backend operations for obvious reasons, but if some drastic action happens and the domain is taken down; I will be taking it to court even if it risks my anonymity. That's the drastic action I'm talking about.

This forum means too much to us to not fight for it.

Thank you for directly addressing my questions and concerns, and for clarifying what drastic actions you would take.

It would be most helpful for active and potential members, as well as your finger joints, if there were a link on the Resources megathread regarding the origins of the site.

 

[Despondent]

We should make a comeback. Somehow do a project where we all contribute to show the pro-lifers that this forum is needed!

 

[EmptyArms]

That's a lie. She would have most likely found another method from another website.

There are hundreds of websites that you can easily find methods and there are other ways that people go to without having to use the internet at all.

Making information hard to find is hardly a deterrent for a determined mind.

It's not a lie, it's another opinion. It's not just an issue of methods, it's about encouragement. To offer up a method that is easier could be construed as encouragement. To help someone to conceal the seriousness of their mood from their health worker could be construed as encouragement, especially in a country where suicidal patients need not fear brutality or detention from the police etc. I'm not pro life, I'm pro choice. I'm also pro supporting those more vulnerable members of society to get even more help and support to resolve or improve their issues wherever possible. Frankly such a slanted comment from a moderator like the one that you have just made does nothing to allay fears from those critical eyes looking in, and actually doesn't do much for my opinion of the forum either.

 

[HannahB]

Nothing makes me want to kill myself more than peoples reactions to me wanting to kill myself. What is the ultimate aim? To fix people? To gain enough power that one can control for every variable? That is foolish and pointless the more power we exert on the universe the less of it that exists, that is the nature if power. The richness of our creation, our life, and our death will be replaced with the shallow aims of man. The diversity that births existence destroyed I'm every way to make way for the "power" of control.

 

[TAW122]

We should make a comeback. Somehow do a project where we all contribute to show the pro-lifers that this forum is needed!

I would be up for it. I have multiple instances in which this site has staved off my suicidality as well as provided me with emotional and psychological support in acknowledging my views on CTB as well as respecting my decisions, and most importantly, providing me with information on how to 'reliably' CTB. Coming from someone who is bad with people IRL, have general anxiety, and other ails, this site along with some members on here have provided me the peace that I couldn't find anywhere else.

Nothing makes me want to kill myself more than peoples reactions to me wanting to kill myself. What is the ultimate aim? To fix people? To gain enough power that one can control for every variable? That is foolish and pointless the more power we exert on the universe the less of it that exists, that is the nature if power. The richness of our creation, our life, and our death will be replaced with the shallow aims of man. The diversity that births existence destroyed I'm every way to make way for the "power" of control.

Well said, in fact, if I am ever put into a situation where I am more hopeless and powerless (being locked up against my will, reliable method stripped and unable to find another one), then that would certainly be more than enough to push me to CTB. I refuse to support and live in a society that sanctions involuntary hospitalization, forced treatment and detainment of the suicidal, as well as treating us like criminals (when we have do nothing wrong or illegal - other than just wishing to die and be free of pain and suffering).

 

[voyager]

I think that who is talking about feelings right now....is making a mistake, maybe, in my opinion that is a lost battle. [...] Everyone has an opinion[...] I am not a hero, I am a regular guy, from a regular country

That's fine, and in a way I agree with you. This battle like so many nowadays is probably a lost cause. In the article from the Express it says that pro-life foundations are rallying support, that they're funded by billion dollar social media sites, coroner's are at work, the sycophant free press, vice and buzzfeed, politician scumbags, and many other zealots and hypocrites. It's a lot of opposition with money and power. All they lack now is the right, because it's our life they mean to oppress and control. Which is why I think we should stand up for our beliefs.

Their behavior is what drove Callie to SS. I was driven to SS by this kind of behavior and so were many people I met on here.

Indeed, which is why I can't sympathise with them, because the assumptions and hostility they project on this place is essentially the same attitude that led to the misunderstanding of their close ones whilst they were still alive, and it's probably how Callie, Shawn and many others ended up here looking for comfort and refuge.

But you can't deny that withholding information makes a failed attempt more likely; and thus, the person is "saved". So from their standpoint it makes sense.

Saved indeed. Suffering in their seclusive misery refraining from scary methods or ending up a vegetable, lovely. Honestly, I feel nothing but contempt for such people and their standpoints. Because they would never want to end up in such a situation themselves, it's only good enough for others, their loved ones.

Programme

PS: Okay, just watched the programme. Let them say their piece for fairness' sake so I wouldn't have to revise my opinions, but quite honestly, what a waste of time. Not once did I hear them consider what Callie wanted or why. All I heard was a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites assuming what's best for her, even if that meant locking her up.

- "Always imagined her aged 90, surrounded by cats, still saying she wanted to die" Just think about that, love.

It's not a lie, it's another opinion. It's not just an issue of methods, it's about encouragement. To offer up a method that is easier could be construed as encouragement. To help someone to conceal the seriousness of their mood from their health worker could be construed as encouragement, especially in a country where suicidal patients need not fear brutality or detention from the police etc. I'm not pro life, I'm pro choice. I'm also pro supporting those more vulnerable members of society to get even more help and support to resolve or improve their issues wherever possible. Frankly such a slanted comment from a moderator like the one that you have just made does nothing to allay fears from those critical eyes looking in, and actually doesn't do much for my opinion of the forum either.

Did you watch the programme, EA? Because supporting more "vulnerable" members of society is what they want to do too, by locking us up against our will and disputing everything we say. That came across several times in the broadcast and the fact that she wasn't under constant surveillance was pinpointed as one of the major failures. And btw, she was detained a couple of times. They even kept her in a police car over night for her own "safety". And they can "construe" all they want, but surely that doesn't make it true. When have we ever encouraged anyone here? You mentioned pro choice. Well, why aren't you respecting Callie's choice then? She wanted to die, EmptyArms. She tried several times before on her own and ultimately found a better method here. Even so, that has nothing to do with why she wanted to die in the first place, does it? Nor does it lessen her state of mind. Btw, is something wrong? You seem a little off. Saw your other post.

PS: Sorry, if this hits too close to home.

 

[Final Escape]

Beautiful and moved me to read all this.

 

[Dubs]

The video is on Dailymotion for all people outside of the UK.

Do you have a link for the dailymotion video?

Do you have a link for the dailymotion video?

Nevermind, here it is:

 

[foreveryoung]

People just cannot accept that suicide is just a part of life and occur with other species, and even with the best of mental health care, it's simply going to happen. Just like any kind of violence. Try all you like, while you can reduce it, it's never going to be 100% preventable and these kind of legal actions will usually do almost nothing except waste time and put more money in a lawyer's pocket.

To me, a great part of being such an intelligent being, is being able to make decisions such as suicide. Our brains evolved in a way that now allow us to make decisions that totally go against instinct. Pretty cool. Honestly, I think suicide can actually be a helpful tool in evolution, when you think about it. There are numerous reasons why people choose to end their life, but I would think right off the top of my head, that simply not being able to effectively function (for whatever reason that may be) is probably the biggest reason and that often times (not always), there is some faulty wiring or various other things happening in the brain. So when you end your life, you also discontinue the ability to pass on those same genes.

apoptosis, is the word you are looking for. Its either going to happen or not, you aren't going to decide, neither is the doctor going to decide for you if you get to live or not. You just know that it's your fate. Everyone in this world gets to live nice happy lives? that's ridiculous, a fantasy. I know that its my fate i'll die soon, i'm going for sure, the world would rather have me dead than alive no matter what it tells me.

 

[Dubs]

Also I'd like to give a shout out to the mods and the users of the forum for making and maintaining this community. As you can see from my flair I've been a member since mid 2018. I mostly likely wouldn't be alive anymore if it weren't for this site, it has brought me and many others great relief, the ability to hold on longer, and comfort if we do decide to rationally go.

 

[TAW122]

Ummm...how is that supposed to be helpful in "defending" this forum? That's precisely the type of stuff that this site is being criticized for.

I edited the post since it could lead to confusion. I suppose what I was saying is that since I've come to this forum (1.5 years ago), I already know that CTB'ing is inevitable for me (at least when I joined). I pretty much made my decision and when people help me by giving advice on how to obtain said method or how to increase the chance of success with xyz method, it has given me peace (also it's because they know that I am actively seeking advice and information on how to successfully CTB when I get around to it). But yes, I could see where you are coming from in regards to the pro-lifers and anti-choicers criticizing the site.

 

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

Don't believe the hype!!!

I have a different take on this situation...

Health systems and other institutional services have become wise. I personally believe that many are coming to understand that they have limited affect on the truly suicidal.

I currently have 4 MH practitioners: 2 from public services and 2 from private healthcare. I tell all of them I will NOT answer their assessment questions so dont bother to waste either of our time.

When I discuss being suicidal, the ones from public services ask their questions knowing they will not get an answer. Then go further to ask if I want hospitalization. I always tell them NO of course.

The ones from private services dont ask because I already told them I'm pro-choice and I dont need white knights at my door. Instead they try to refocus on providing the services that they can. Most recently I directly asked the private Dr. (I have a therapist and Dr.) Has he ever lost a patient. He said "yes all the time. I long ago stopped doing all of those things to alienate my patients however because I have since learned that some will not tell you; And the ones who really want to die will find a way regardless."

I had a lot of respect for him after that.

I think that the health systems, the media outlets, and any other institutions with an agenda are starting to get this but they will NEVER admit it aloud. Instead it is more beneficial to create stories like these because:

1) the news outlets get new and fresh content. This keeps their funding from sponsors going and their reputations of being good samaritans / positive companies strong, and

2) the hospitals can continue to point out the need for more jobs and more funding, i.e. both of which keep a check in their pockets and the system in tact.


Trust that there will NEVER be a day that they admit what my doctor privately admitted because if they did the system and their paychecks will ultimately decline.


I believe that to be the reason Callie was released. However it is quite hard to get ANY family to understand this as those who dont deal with mental illness daily (whether as practitioners or as the affected client) are still under the false assumption that all mental health problems can be fixed.

The MH practitioners, big pharma, Gov't and news outlets have a vested interest in creating blame. EVERYONE NEEDS A CHECK PEOPLE! It's just that simple.

The only people I dont blame so much are the individual MH practitioners, particularly therapists, because many of them are just as sick as us doing a job with very little resources and pay. MAKE NO MISTAKE: THEY GET IT.... Remember the majority of the MH profession is filled with peoole who have healed mental illness, ongoing mental illness or were affected by the mental illness of a close loved one, hence they are mostly inspired by their desire to help others.


EDIT: As such continue to expect petitions, stories, etc. It keeps the system alive. Just respond and move on to the next "opportunity" for awareness.

 

[FrailPaleStaleMaleSS]

My disdain towards the media and ignorant people trying to blame others for their own negligence is ever growing. The world wants dialogue but refuses to start the correct one or look at any facts.

 

[notjustyetagain]

i really hope that this post isn't damaging to SS. that is not my intention at all. i'm not a very sane/rational person and my thought processes are questionable. but given that disclaimer, i feel compelled to offer an alternative view regarding the pushback at the potential of some members still being alive had they not found SS:

many here are suffering hopelessly and immensely. living in such a condition isn't something to condone, let alone celebrate. there are suggestions that some people -- suffering hopelessly and immensely -- might still be alive were it not for SS. yes.. and? unless i'm misunderstanding something fundamental to the ultimate importance of one's quality of life, that's a bad thing.

it seems uncontroversial that SS's members disseminate peaceful suicide methods. it seems uncontroversial that this information is used in the enactment of peaceful suicide methods. it seems uncontroversial that some suicidal people who would not e.g. jump in front of a train, would instead e.g. take nembutal. people who suffer hopelessly and immensely, and who have acquired a humane way to end their lives thanks to information from the PPeH, SS, etc. no longer need to wait for their condition to become so desperately unbearable that they choose need to jump in front of a train. they may now instead need choose to end their lives without resorting to a method that is even more traumatic than their lives. unless i'm misunderstanding something fundamental to the ultimate importance of one's quality of life, that's a good thing.

if the above premises are sound, then it seems uncontroversial that SS plays a vital role in reducing hopeless suffering. i suggest that this, in turn, is the most vital role of every pro-choice suicide resource: providing mercy to people whose lives are merciless. the life-blood of SS is compassion. you want to see people urging others to kill themselves? try reading the comments to vulnerable and/or stigmatised people on facebook or youtube!

dear stranger: i'm happy to face the reality that SS can -- and does -- provide people with information that allows them a peaceful means to commit suicide. are you happy to face the reality that hopeless suffering can -- and for the sake of compassion, should! -- be remedied by death? the implicit suggestion behind this self-righteous outrage -- that everyone's life can be magicked into being tolerable, let alone worthwhile -- can be paraphrased as "your suffering, and all your attempts to ameliorate it, mean nothing". fuck that. [EDIT: clarification]