News Callie Lewis

[TAW122]

Yes and they want to take away the only place we can talk about Suicide away. They don't want to allow us even one website out of the billions on the internet to talk with like minded people. Why are they doing this to us people who are desperate hurting to take away the only place of solace and hope for a painless passing. I had decided to commit suicide long ago before i found this site. This website just gave me hope for a more painless passing. And i found finally somewhere where people validated some of my thoughts that i didn't hear out there in the matrix

Well said, I too had already decided that I was going to CTB many years ago, and this site in fact has been one of the reasons for my continued existence even on borrowed time.

I feel the exact same way. I had a hospital visit that required me to wait 16hrs then be quizzed by the "psychiatric team", it was like
"Are you aware we have to say something if you're of harm to yourself or others?"
"Yes"
"What brought you here today?
"I dunno"
"Are you safe in your house, who do you live with?" etc etc
"Yes, fine, all good, great"
"Do you have a plan?"
"Yes"
"What is it"
"Don't wanna tell ya"
"Ooookkkaay...."
"......"
"So are you going to act on this plan?"
"Yes"
"Within the next 48hrs?"
"Probably not no"
"okay well here's the samaritans and other numbers if you feel bad or want to talk"
"about suicide?"
"no they may ask for your location and send in emergency services if they deem you as harmful to yourself or others"
"Great, thanks."
*discharged*
crisis person visit my house only to say I'd get 'discharged' from them within 2 weeks, they were helpful in that I wasn't alone, visited every 3 days, but couldn't actually DO anything.
So I come here to a community of very nice and supportive people, and the govt wants to shut it down...it's insane

I want to steal this btw! Just in case my family tries to blame this site or any other communication:

Pretty much sums up the majority of mental health professionals, all they are looking for are diagnosis and assessments rather than empathetically listening, and respecting other views contrary to the pro-life view. Of course, for those who wish to live and/or are just going through a temporary problem, it "can" be helpful to them, but for most of us on here, no, it's nothing more than an obstacle in the way and prolonging our suffering in this world.

 

[WEASEL1234]

I feel the exact same way. I had a hospital visit that required me to wait 16hrs then be quizzed by the "psychiatric team", it was like
"Are you aware we have to say something if you're of harm to yourself or others?"
"Yes"
"What brought you here today?
"I dunno"
"Are you safe in your house, who do you live with?" etc etc
"Yes, fine, all good, great"
"Do you have a plan?"
"Yes"
"What is it"
"Don't wanna tell ya"
"Ooookkkaay...."
"......"
"So are you going to act on this plan?"
"Yes"
"Within the next 48hrs?"
"Probably not no"
"okay well here's the samaritans and other numbers if you feel bad or want to talk"
"about suicide?"
"no they may ask for your location and send in emergency services if they deem you as harmful to yourself or others"
"Great, thanks."
*discharged*
crisis person visit my house only to say I'd get 'discharged' from them within 2 weeks, they were helpful in that I wasn't alone, visited every 3 days, but couldn't actually DO anything.
So I come here to a community of very nice and supportive people, and the govt wants to shut it down...it's insane

I want to steal this btw! Just in case my family tries to blame this site or any other communication:

I have been through EXACTLY the same as you again today. Crisis told me yesterday to "have a hot drink" and "do some drawing" ...... unbelievable.
This is the only place where we can say what we feel without being judged.
If you need someone to talk to you can message me xx

Yes and they want to take away the only place we can talk about Suicide away. They don't want to allow us even one website out of the billions on the internet to talk with like minded people. Why are they doing this to us people who are desperate hurting to take away the only place of solace and hope for a painless passing. I had decided to commit suicide long ago before i found this site. This website just gave me hope for a more painless passing. And i found finally somewhere where people validated some of my thoughts that i didn't hear out there in the matrix

I whole heartedly agree with you. It's bloody disgraceful

 

[a.n.kirillov]

Crisis told me yesterday to "have a hot drink" and "do some drawing" ...... unbelievable.

Here's a somewhat provocative question: what would you want them to do instead?

 

[WEASEL1234]

Here's a somewhat provocative question: what would you want them to do instead?

I am making the point that it's patronising to say that.

 

[marcusuk63]

The Sun (worst newspaper in the Uk ) said.

The website — which we will not name due to its graphic and harmful content - provided detailed information on various suicide methods, and users would regularly normalise and encourage others to follow through with their plans to end their lives. !
Callie Lewis learned how to kill herself & fool carers on sick suicide forums … weeks later she was found dead at 24 .

Tragic Callie Lewis learned to kill herself in online suicide forums before being found dead in a tent

“GOOD luck! We all wish you a swift travel.” “May you find peace my friend.” These are some of the final messages sent from users of a “damaging” online suicide forum to a young British woman who e…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[TheLastSacrifice]

As an avid internet user, i feel government is censoring what people google on the internet and i find the more you wait, the less informations and stuffs we get from it. Right now, i can find a place where i can buy a bag of sn in my country, but sooner or later it wil be also banned from purchasing it. I can see it will happen. I honestly surprised this site still existed too.i came upon this site many years ago so i thought it would have been banned already just like many sites that was banned in my country but here it is, just as i was binge looking for the method it is about to be threathen to be shut down... great. Obviously people can't even search their way out in a less messy and painful way.

Luckily where I live we can't just bam stuff we don't like. There will always be places like this forum. If it goes down we just build another and another. You can't stop information. Especially here where I have a 1st amendment.

Interesting. I thought they learned their lesson when they tried to push their agenda with the exit of Shatto Shawn exactly one year ago. It's funny how they never listen to the last words of these leaving people, and instead create their own pro-life narrative, completely ignoring what the people themselves had to say about their reasons to leave it all behind. Maybe they should look into these reasons and question how much society contributed to those struggles, instead of trying to blame a website like this, which acts as an outlet and a support net for many suicidal people all around the world. Both members clearly made up their mind, before they came to this website, and they both were adults - they made a decision in their life and we should respect that. You can clearly read in the goodbye thread of both Shawn and Callie that they had made up their mind based on very valid and relatable struggles and the media seems to ignore that. You can't just dismiss that and pretend that this website is the reason for their departure. It's not. I think the media as well as the family members are doing a disservice to those passed people, using them them for such a political campaign. I am very sure they never intended to be a part of such an agenda, yet their own autonomy and dignity is violated after their death with those pro-life campaigns. That's what's really sad about this. That's not just a smear on us, it's also a smear on those passed people.

Smear on those passed people...yes this is what pisses me off more than anything.

 

[Indieblue]

Luckily where I live we can't just bam stuff we don't like. There will always be places like this forum. If it goes down we just build another and another. You can't stop information. Especially here where I have a 1st amendment.

I feel relieved i am pretty good at reading english. Otherwise i would feel really trapped. There seems no websites like this in my country. And my country already bans selling and buying pills and drugs from online. So I am really thankful this site exist. And that government and teachers all taught me english. Otherwise i would feel trapped, seeing no way out other than perhaps drinking something i shouldn't without knowing how it effects to me. There is not much choice i can choose at home.

 

[TheLastSacrifice]

I feel relieved i am pretty good at reading english. Otherwise i would feel really trapped. There seems no websites like this in my country. And my country already bans selling and buying pills and drugs from online. So I am really thankful this site exist. And that government and teachers all taught me english. Otherwise i would feel trapped, seeing no way out other than perhaps drinking something i shouldn't without knowing how it effects to me. There is not much choice i can choose at home.

I don't like talking negative about other countries. I don't think mine is superior to every other or more valuable. I know my country has done messed up shit.
But I will say this. I am thankful for some of the legal protections we have here. I like that 1st amendment a whole lot.

 

[heheb27595]

Trusting the journalists (even if independant) is like trusting the suicide hotline.

 

[Potiphera]

I'm so sick of this narrative from mainstream media and society. Suicide is a product of mental illness...which can all be resolved if you get help. Call this support line. Where you'll hear the same mindless platitudes and if you do admit you're thinking of killing yourself, get thrown in hospital in an involuntary mental health hold. Stripped of your dignity, your belongings searched, your appearance and belongings analysed, medicated, watched, having to pretend you're okay to be let out.

Tell me how this is supposed to help?

And when you are let out, you're given a prescription and a number to call.

Whatever happened in your life to make you want to end it...abuse, trauma, poverty, homelessness, homophobia, racism, disability, parental expectations, broken relationships....whatever, none of that matters. If you just talk it out, access the "support", you'll be fine. No one ever talks about addressing the issues that put you there in the first place.

No one who wasn't already thinking about suicide - as an issue at least, if not an option for them personally - seeks out sites like this. And it's the only place where people like us can talk openly. (I'm new here but was on ASH back in the early 00s, I just wish I'd paid more attention to methods).

It's natural for those who've lost a loved one to look for answers and lash out at those they believe are to blame. It's lazy and irresponsible for the media to join in. Look at a society with appalling mental health support, few resources for the disadvantaged, and a societal discourse that forces open conversation about suicide into trite notions of support and people who can't even be honest for fear they'll wind up in a mental health unit, not allowed to leave.

 

[Indieblue]

I don't like talking negative about other countries. I don't think mine is superior to every other or more valuable. I know my country has done messed up shit.
But I will say this. I am thankful for some of the legal protections we have here. I like that 1st amendment a whole lot.

Well, one thing i love about usa is that you guys can own a gun. We can't.

 

[ghostspace]

I'm so sick of this narrative from mainstream media and society. Suicide is a product of mental illness...which can all be resolved if you get help. Call this support line. Where you'll hear the same mindless platitudes and if you do admit you're thinking of killing yourself, get thrown in hospital in an involuntary mental health hold. Stripped of your dignity, your belongings searched, your appearance and belongings analysed, medicated, watched, having to pretend you're okay to be let out.

Tell me how this is supposed to help?

And when you are let out, you're given a prescription and a number to call.

Whatever happened in your life to make you want to end it...abuse, trauma, poverty, homelessness, homophobia, racism, disability, parental expectations, broken relationships....whatever, none of that matters. If you just talk it out, access the "support", you'll be fine. No one ever talks about addressing the issues that put you there in the first place.

No one who wasn't already thinking about suicide - as an issue at least, if not an option for them personally - seeks out sites like this. And it's the only place where people like us can talk openly. (I'm new here but was on ASH back in the early 00s, I just wish I'd paid more attention to methods).

It's natural for those who've lost a loved one to look for answers and lash out at those they believe are to blame. It's lazy and irresponsible for the media to join in. Look at a society with appalling mental health support, few resources for the disadvantaged, and a societal discourse that forces open conversation about suicide into trite notions of support and people who can't even be honest for fear they'll wind up in a mental health unit, not allowed to leave.

This is so well said and I teared up reading it.

People don't even TRY to listen when we explain the relief communities like this provide. The second you start talking about the positives, or even just the general idea of a pro-choice forum, people automatically treat you like you're completely irrational and like nothing you say is credible at all because your mind is so troubled.

And if you insist you ARE being rational and try to defend yourself, then you must be a monster because you think mentally ill people should all die or something. Like, "Oh, so everyone with depression and suicidal thoughts should just kill themselves? That's okay?" when it's so much more complicated than that.

They always jump to extreme conclusions because they can't fathom this extent of suffering and isolation. They think that it can't be that bad, we must just need better coping skills. It's dehumanizing; everything about the mental health system makes me feel dehumanized, patronized, or like a criminal.

edit: ALSO, it would be completely different if everyone had access to good healthcare all the time, if everyone had a safe place to live, a supportive community, financial security, access to resources for education and employment...but so many people don't and never will. It's not fair to disregard the poor quality of so many people's lives and then force them to stay here. There's no way out for some people other than death, but we're not even allowed to talk about it without being judged and looked down upon.

edit 2: okay, sorry for going off on a tangent but you could even argue that the whole fucking planet is dying due to global warming and nobody with the power to do anything seems to care about that.

We're not going to even have an earth to depart from if things don't change. People stuck in poverty forever aren't allowed to consider suicide, but it's okay to just disregard the fact that there may not be a livable planet at some point??

 

[former<redacted>]

I saw and read the article when it was first posted, and I was curious as to whether it was referring to this website specifically. I visited on the Monday, before the creation of this thread.

I found the article unfairly biased against this forum.

Speaking generally, people don't seem to understand the concept of somebody wanting to die, they don't seem to understand that people may not want to be alive. Humans are brought into this world without permission, without querying whether we want to be brought into this world, because we can't be asked. We can't be queried.

Life is a pointless struggle towards death, and I myself have never understood the point to it - in fact, I don't believe it does have a point. The only continuous thread in the many, many centuries of human life have been the continued existence of human life (and even then, many other species haven't had that luxury). People that don't see the pointlessness of life seem to think that people that can see it, are broken in some way. That everyone should want to be alive, and if you don't then you need to be fixed. This annoys me.

Life ebbs and flows, but in the grand scheme of things, is there really a point to existence? We're born, we do a load of crap in order to sustain ourself, but then we die anyway. That just seems pointless to me. It seems strange that people expend a lot of energy to live, when they're only going to end up dead anyway. What's the point of having 'life experiences' when these life experiences will be unknown to you when you finally do die? I guess that segues into my beliefs of what death actually is, and what happens when someone dies - nothing. Nada. If you're thoughts and experiences are created by chemical reactions in the brain, then if you're brain is no longer functioning, if those reactions are no longer happening, then you cease to exist. Just nothingness, eternal. Like a deep, dreamless, endless sleep. If you're memories cease to exist when you die, what's the point in forming them? What's the point in having experiences for the sake of having a life, when the proof of those experiences, the emotions they induced, cease to exist at the moment of your death? I, personally, can't see one.

I'm going to apologise for this message, these tend to become thought dumps, and can be fairly hard to read if you're not me.

 

[Jean Améry]

Life is a pointless struggle towards death, and I myself have never understood the point to it - in fact, I don't believe it does have a point.

Objectively it doesn't. Subjectively it might: if you feel your life has meaning it has, if you don't it doesn't.

That's the problem with the supposedly pro life/in reality anti-choice crowd: they pretend life is objectively meaningful while this evidently isn't the case just so they can invalidate individual experiences to the contrary of their rosy, irrational view on reality.

 

[TheLastSacrifice]

Well, one thing i love about usa is that you guys can own a gun. We can't.

Yes. Me too. Again I'm really not trying to put the U.S. up on a pedestal. I actually am going to try to avoid bringing politics up in the future. I see this is a place where people come together. This is a good thing. I'll try to keep political stuff out of future posts if I can. Im new at this stuff.

 

[purplemoon]

May Callie be at peace, first & foremost.

As others have said on SS, why isn't society addressing the issues that push people into so much suffering in the first place that frequently results in suicide?

ACTIONS, not dressed up words, is exactly what we NEED in every country.

Every individual has a different set of circumstances combined with a unique personality, set of strengths & weaknesses, and needs. However, the universal thread in each suicidal person is... "i cannot take this pain anymore; it is overwhelming, with NO TANGIBLE EFFECTIVE RESOURCE to help remedy my pain"...

The highest priority should BEGIN with these CORE FUNDAMENTAL SURVIVAL NEEDS:

HOMELESSNESS should NOT EXIST...

CARE & SUPPORT for VICTIMS of domestic ABUSE should be cost-free...

EASY ACCESS to MEDICAL Treatment should already be in place NOT contingent on finances...

Society MUST change responses to VIOLENCE and its instigators instead of allowing so much overwhelming damage.

How the heck can people actually be expected to be functional and relaxed in an out of control environment?!

The majority of ANXIETY, DEPRESSION, and FRUSTRATIONS are a DIRECT REACTION to TOXIC, UNHEALTHY, STRESSFUL ENVIRONMENTS.

STOP BLAMING the VICTIM for their NATURAL REACTION to CRUELTY inflicted upon them. Our Reaction is not "mental illness", the environment is unreasonable in the first place.

No more excuses or justifications for the above MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR SURVIVAL... if they care so much about preventing suicide, demand that your government and your community on every level not just EMPTY PROMISES, but actually succeed in CREATING those MINIMUM STANDARDS for FUNCTIONING.

When people are FACED with the DAMAGING effects of ABUSE, the invisible gun to people's heads of threats of terrifying HOMELESSNESS & non-stop pressures of wage slavery, and with QUALITY medical care being only accessible to people with higher incomes... SUICIDES will CONTINUE UNTIL EFFECTIVE SUPPORT to remedy the underlying reasons are implemented.

This SS site has very likely PREVENTED / at least DELAYED My SUICIDE because i have more often felt CATHARTIC RELIEF... Validation of my deepest feelings, and best of all... SAFER SUPPORT that does NOT EXIST in so-called "counseling" available.

People that claim to "care" need to stop deciding for us what we should think, but we should be feeling, or what we should be doing. We feel the way we feel, it is what it is...

No other human being has the right to say, "well you should just get over it", or "think positive", one person might be able to handle a set of circumstances... but another person cannot.

All this NONSENSE of "pull yourself up" or "just get help" needs to STOP... If it were really that easy People would have already done so. They cannot keep comparing what they would do, or what other people have done, every individual is unique.

This pervasive cruel culture community attitude of "that's your problem" or "you're on your own"... will perpetuate and destroy many as the last thread they cling to is frequently destroyed. What exactly are we paying high taxes for... to a group of people that don't even care about us?

Every country's Government has responsibilities to those without authority... Why is it that they can easily vote for $ billions to be spent on certain programs or wars for example, YET they CHOOSE NOT to approve even one tenth of money on the very population they are being paid via forced taxes to help prosper?? Why is everything else a priority except the very population it purports to value?

If a suicidal individual needs more than what is available in limited "help" more relief, then they need more... Only each person knows what their limit is, only each person defines what they personally need for relief. Not other people deciding for them.

What kind of community/ society do we really live in when its most prevalent attitude & response to suffering is "pay me to care" or "that's your problem"?!?

Are we as a so-called society that "cares" showing compassion when given the opportunity to help people struggling & suffering? Is what they are doing actually working or making a real difference to the majority of those that are practically begging for kindness?

All of their definitions of "help being out there" they need to face the TRUTH that while that may work for a smaller percentage of the population, all of this so-called "help" is mostly THEORY NOT REALITY & doesn't make a damn bit of difference for at least HALF of the human POPULATION.

Until we as a SPECIES demand REAL SUPPORT for each other, Suicide will continue.

Their insensitive cliche of "That's life" only further isolates people that need real care; as if "that's just way it is" was somehow agreed to when people are born into this miserable chaos called "life". Thank goodness i stayed strong enough to never have children here; why would i want to procreate or have my precious babies into a heartless world?!

I REFUSE to ACCEPT this so-called "life" environment as good enough for me or my unborn offspring.

Suicide is also the ULTIMATE ACT of REBELLION AGAINST a CRUEL WORLD.

People will continue to try to ESCAPE this often NIGHTMARE ENVIRONMENT called SOCIETY with massive amounts of SUFFERING with abusers, sexual predators, mostly greedy economic systems that benefit only the lucky 15%, with out of control violence and skyrocketing homelessness, and LACK of COMPASSION in ACTION...

Reading Callie's highly intelligent & insightful words from her heart and beautiful soul... confirms what WE are all trying to communicate.

Dearest Callie...We will see you in heaven someday You sweet soul.

May God hold her safely with Love & Goodness all around her...

Again and Again, millions of souls' anguish around this world continue to be falling on collective society's deaf ears that ironically spout mantras that do NOT PROVIDE RELIEF for US.

Like all of us are saying here, Callie's feelings ECHO and REVERBERATE what WE are also FEELING.

 

[TheLastSacrifice]

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Thanks. I took a look, the presentation criticizes the NHS as well as SS. It blames the system for allowing her to fall through the cracks, which to me is disconcerting, because the common response to this is more hardcore statist control over people. Such outcry could result in a future where the 'mental health' department has draconian power to throw anyone in a loony bin and keep them there indefinitely, and the implications of that alone is cause for concern e.g.: manual labor enslavement—maybe the prisoners will get to make designer shoes for a posh brand.

BTW @Marquis did you keep a copy of the original interview? Of course they took your words out of context, so maybe you might consider posting the un-edited version on the forum?

I do agree that this could really come true. A century is not that long. Putting big brother in charge is a very VERY bad idea. Big brother is just my slang for thought control.

Here's a somewhat provocative question: what would you want them to do instead?

Now I do see the point here as well. I mean sometimes they really do seem to try to help. Sometimes I mean well but don't know how to help.

 

[Sk1n1M1n]

I don't believe that anything cure anymore, I think believing that chronic condition or mental health condition is like believing in Santa Claus again.
And sometimes the best way out is natural causes whatever that would be.
For example: my situation is very different to what life was like years ago but I am still depressed and I have done all of activities I need to, I am productive etc but I am depressed, symptoms haven't changed etc

 

[Epsilon0]

May she rest in peace!

When a tragedy happens (and make no mistake, loss of young life is always a tragedy for the ones left behind) people unvariably need to find a scapegoat. Usually people lash out at the first culprit at hand, and pour all their anger, fears and brokenheartedness into the attack. If that culprit happens to be somewhat dubious, then the attack is all the more vicious. It's perfectly understandable. I am not in the least shocked by all the maliciousness we see in the media.

But it's a sorry circus, devoid of reason and respect for everyone who ever has, or ever will ctb.

 

[soakmeinbleach]

it drives me mad man like,,, society n media will find ANYTHING to put the blame on n use as a scapegoat,, 'oh she k worded herself? not our fault its this website!!!!!1!!1!!1'
no one will actually DO anything to support people who want to ctb and they will never learn from where they failed in allowing someone (if they were in their care,, eg. nhs) to ctb. im going mad i cant understand how media outlets can just chuck the blame onto whatever will get the public to agree with them as if people who ctb hadnt already decided they were going to or were distressed prior to find ss??? why would a mentally well person join ss n then suddenly become unwell and ctb??? do they realise that make literally NO sense??
sorry for ranting just joined ss n cannot talk to anyone irl or they all go uh oh panic mode mental patient stay away
(also just to say,, rest in peace callie i hope you are okay now)

 

[Empty Smile]

and a number of the formerly active users are marked as "deceased" after seemingly following through with suicides.

This was in the UK paper that @marcusuk63 posted above. Can someone link me to the thread for this so-called "deceased" list? If it's here, I can't find it.

 

[bigtasty]

and a number of the formerly active users are marked as "deceased" after seemingly following through with suicides.

This was in the UK paper that @marcusuk63 posted above. Can someone link me to the thread for this so-called "deceased" list? If it's here, I can't find it.

They love doing that because they know people will believe them and not actually search for themselves

 

[Empty Smile]

They love doing that because they know people will believe them and not actually search for themselves

So Donald Trump is right? The media is nothing but lies?

 

[bigtasty]

So Donald Trump is right? The media is nothing but lies?

Spot on. Joking.
I feel like it's 50/50, depending on the journalist or who they're working for.

 

[attribute-level-kale]

It's not hard to kill yourself. You don't need a website. Children go to school, they go to soccer practice after school, they eat dinner with their family, then they go in the backyard and shoot themselves in the head.

The parents are never liable.

 

[heheb27595]

The media are always telling one side of the story. whatever that might be. Example Fox is for republicans - CNN is for democrats.
Internet overall is democrats from Facebook and google and now reddit.
In the end they do bipartisanship so almost the same.

 

[new life]

I feel the exact same way. I had a hospital visit that required me to wait 16hrs then be quizzed by the "psychiatric team", it was like
"Are you aware we have to say something if you're of harm to yourself or others?"
"Yes"
"What brought you here today?
"I dunno"
"Are you safe in your house, who do you live with?" etc etc
"Yes, fine, all good, great"
"Do you have a plan?"
"Yes"
"What is it"
"Don't wanna tell ya"
"Ooookkkaay...."
"......"
"So are you going to act on this plan?"
"Yes"
"Within the next 48hrs?"
"Probably not no"
"okay well here's the samaritans and other numbers if you feel bad or want to talk"
"about suicide?"
"no they may ask for your location and send in emergency services if they deem you as harmful to yourself or others"
"Great, thanks."
*discharged*
crisis person visit my house only to say I'd get 'discharged' from them within 2 weeks, they were helpful in that I wasn't alone, visited every 3 days, but couldn't actually DO anything.
So I come here to a community of very nice and supportive people, and the govt wants to shut it down...it's insane

I want to steal this btw! Just in case my family tries to blame this site or any other communication:

I can relate to that quite a lot. People just do not get it that CTB is the best way to be happy

it drives me mad man like,,, society n media will find ANYTHING to put the blame on n use as a scapegoat,, 'oh she k worded herself? not our fault its this website!!!!!1!!1!!1'
no one will actually DO anything to support people who want to ctb and they will never learn from where they failed in allowing someone (if they were in their care,, eg. nhs) to ctb. im going mad i cant understand how media outlets can just chuck the blame onto whatever will get the public to agree with them as if people who ctb hadnt already decided they were going to or were distressed prior to find ss??? why would a mentally well person join ss n then suddenly become unwell and ctb??? do they realise that make literally NO sense??
sorry for ranting just joined ss n cannot talk to anyone irl or they all go uh oh panic mode mental patient stay away
(also just to say,, rest in peace callie i hope you are okay now)

So true everything in there . People make their choice if they want to ctb before they join ss not after. If they want to do it it will happen full stop. Rest in peace callie at your at peace.

 

[TheLastSacrifice]

He may be a cunt but he's is right.

So Donald Trump is right? The media is nothing but lies?

 

[purplemoon]

Maybe part of the reason so many people automatically jump to the conclusion that any person who commits suicide is / must be "mentally ill" so that they tell themselves they are off the hook and don't have to expend any energy towards helping anyone... Selfish.

They don't want to bother providing Real help/kindness or being there for the person suffering but when that person commits suicide, Suddenly they "care"... ?!

So many people in human history have committed suicide to free themselves from a horrible life/reality... mainly because of intolerable conditions. How exactly is that "crazy"?!?

There are plenty of reasons to Leave this world that are valid...

 

[new life]

Maybe part of the reason so many people automatically jump to the conclusion that any person who commits suicide are "mentally ill" so that they tell themselves they are off the hook and don't have to expend any energy towards helping anyone... Selfish.

They don't want to bother providing Real help/kindness or being there for the person suffering but when that person commits suicide, Suddenly they "care"... ?!

so true they dont care they just presume mental health issues.