Why normal people don't consider suicide?

[aspx]

Take a look at the homeless people for example, why they haven't commit suicide? I mean, having a life where you need to beg for the smallest things doesn't seem to be good.

 

[spanishguy22]

Take a look at the homeless people for example, why they haven't commit suicide? I mean, having a life where you need to beg for the smallest things doesn't seem to be good.

most dont have severe depression

 

[aspx]

most dont have severe depression

So you need to be depressed to consider if it's worth living or not?

 

[Jessica-]

Actually many homeless people do, we just don't hear about it much as they are shunned and forgotten by society.

 

[spanishguy22]

So you need to be depressed to consider if it's worth living or not?

I didn't say that LOL but it happens that depression is an even stronger factor for ctbing than being homeless without depression. I have everything I need but crippling depression. So its pointless.
I'd switch with a homeless without depression in a heartbeat

 

[Walilamdzi]

It's not going to be easy for someone on the street to acquire a peaceful means to ctb.

 

[Sick Boy]

I´m not a doctor o psychiatrist,but i read that some of the reasons we feel suicidal and depressed is because of the wrong imbalance of our brain chemicals

 

[spanishguy22]

I´m not a doctor o psychiatrist,but i read that some of the reasons we feel suicidal and depressed is because of the wrong imbalance of our brain chemicals

Actually it's the only reason. (For depression not suicidal)
If you are truly depressed you have an imbalance. It can be temporary or not.

 

[TheFinalCountdown]

Take a look at the homeless people for example, why they haven't commit suicide? I mean, having a life where you need to beg for the smallest things doesn't seem to be good.

I believe that the suicide rate for homeless people is huge (5.8% of deaths in the study I read) compared to the general population (1.4% of all deaths) though it's not very well recorded since homeless people are largely outside the system and deliberate deaths are often treated as accidental.

I´m not a doctor o psychiatrist,but i read that some of the reasons we feel suicidal and depressed is because of the wrong imbalance of our brain chemicals

Well anything one thinks or feels can ultimately be reduced down to brain chemistry. I don't think that it is a particularly useful way of looking at depression however.

 

[Quinlor]

I think the most people live in a automatic mode so they don't stops to thinking about the life they living and etc.
In my point of view, I only realized that want leave because I did a self analysis about my fuck life! The shits that I did for many people, etc.
Finally, the most important is when you realized that YOU can put a end in your life whenever you want! For me it is biggest mental power, to know that you can end all suffering  fuck...

 

[aspx]

It's not going to be easy for someone on the street to acquire a peaceful means to ctb.

True. But what would be the difference between a peaceful and a not so peaceful mean to ctb? The ending is the same.
Jumping from a bridge doesn't seems that bad. Also, it's not hard to acquire a knife on the streets.

 

[Jolene40]

I didn't say that LOL but it happens that depression is an even stronger factor for ctbing than being homeless without depression. I have everything I need but crippling depression. So its pointless.
I'd switch with a homeless without depression in a heartbeat

I say the same. I would switch with a healthy non sick non depressed homeless person in a heartbeat

 

[GeorgeJL]

Suicide by and large is a luxury of the rich and/or educated. Homeless people don't commit suicide for the same reason that black people don't. They are caught up in the game of life of us versus them. Which creates the right type of friction needed to want to live.

 

[Cevapcici]

I say the same. I would switch with a healthy non sick non depressed homeless person in a heartbeat

Not to offend you or anything, but having seen homeless communities, and hanged out with homeless people for a while - none of them would be considered mentally healthy. They either were broken by the system and the tribulations that led to their homelessness in the first place or, if they don't manage to escape this situation quickly and end up on the streets, start to go crazy after the fact.
The poor and the bums commit suicide as well, society just doesn't pay attention to it that much.

And tbh, for people living in first world countries - there are always solutions left not to sleep on the streets, if you're not a socially inapt person. So for the perfectly mentally healthy people who end up in this situation due to exterior factors , homelessness is usually a temporarily situation.

 

[Final Escape]

I´m not a doctor o psychiatrist,but i read that some of the reasons we feel suicidal and depressed is because of the wrong imbalance of our brain chemicals

It's because of despair not a chemical imbalance.

 

[aspx]

They are caught up in the game of life of us versus them. Which creates the right type of friction needed to want to live.

Like adrenaline? If so, it makes sense since it has helped all the animals to survive.

 

[Jessica-]

I´m not a doctor o psychiatrist,but i read that some of the reasons we feel suicidal and depressed is because of the wrong imbalance of our brain chemicals

As disgusting as it is that we have been duped, there is actually no such thing as chemical imbalance , "Chemical Imbalance" was a marketing ploy from big pharmas to sell psych drugs in the 60s. And still continue to do so to this day.......

https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/depression-not-caused-chemical-imbalance

 

[littlepillbox]

most dont have severe depression

they do, most people are just afraid to die.

Suicide by and large is a luxury of the rich and/or educated. Homeless people don't commit suicide for the same reason that black people don't. They are caught up in the game of life of us versus them. Which creates the right type of friction needed to want to live.

lmao citation needed.

 

[Kyrok]

As disgusting as it is that we have been duped, there is actually no such thing as chemical imbalance , "Chemical Imbalance" was a marketing ploy from big pharmas to sell psych drugs in the 60s. And still continue to do so to this day.......

https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/depression-not-caused-chemical-imbalance

Pretty much true. There is negligible understanding about how antidepressants work. There is also thought to be a variety of mechanisms behind depression.

Biology of depression - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[GeorgeJL]

lmao citation needed.

Look it up yourself. It's not that hard. Just look at the suicide statistics.

 

[Jessica-]

Look it up yourself. It's not that hard. Just look at the suicide statistics.

"We found that the hazard ratios of suicide showed an increasing trend as socioeconomic position decreased."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5463019/

 

[GeorgeJL]

Like adrenaline? If so, it makes sense since it has helped all the animals to survive.

Yeah that could be a factor.

"We found that the hazard ratios of suicide showed an increasing trend as socioeconomic position decreased."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5463019/

That is for south Korea. I believe the statistics I was looking at was for western countries or America.

Suicide Rates Higher For Americans Living Among Wealthy Neighbors: Study

Suicide Is More Common In Rich Neighborhoods

Suicide Is More Common In Rich Neighborhoods

www.huffpost.com

 

[pole]

Take a look at the homeless people for example, why they haven't commit suicide? I mean, having a life where you need to beg for the smallest things doesn't seem to be good.

Those "smallest things" that they beg for are small things to you but big to them lol. Begging for food and necessities to get resources, maintain a quality of life and actually survive isnt given to them like it is to you.

 

[littlepillbox]

Look it up yourself. It's not that hard. Just look at the suicide statistics.

idk if you know how stats work, but Black ppl as 6% of the total suicide rate is almost half the white suicide rate of 15%, but Black people are 13％ of the total population. that's not proportionate at all. that's according to the ASFP.

 

[Jessica-]

Yeah that could be a factor.

That is for south Korea. I believe the statistics I was looking at was for western countries or America.

Suicide Rates Higher For Americans Living Among Wealthy Neighbors: Study

Suicide Is More Common In Rich Neighborhoods

Suicide Is More Common In Rich Neighborhoods

www.huffpost.com

I wouldn't take Huff Post too seriously lol. Here is a US study.


"Analyses at the community level are significantly more likely to demonstrate lower rates of suicide among higher socio-economic areas than studies using larger areas of aggregation. Measures of area poverty and deprivation are most likely to be inversely associated with suicide rates and median income is least likely to be inversely associated with suicide rates. Analyses using measures of unemployment and education and occupation were equally likely to demonstrate inverse associations. Study results did not vary significantly by gender or by study design".

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16420711

Here is one for Australia with similar findings:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5409566/

 

[Jolene40]

Not to offend you or anything, but having seen homeless communities, and hanged out with homeless people for a while - none of them would be considered mentally healthy. They either were broken by the system and the tribulations that led to their homelessness in the first place or, if they don't manage to escape this situation quickly and end up on the streets, start to go crazy after the fact.
The poor and the bums commit suicide as well, society just doesn't pay attention to it that much.

And tbh, for people living in first world countries - there are always solutions left not to sleep on the streets, if you're not a socially inapt person. So for the perfectly mentally healthy people who end up in this situation due to exterior factors , homelessness is usually a temporarily situation.

Yes that makes sense. In my mind I would definitely be able to get out of my situation of homelessness if I were me but with complete health physically and mentally.

I´m not a doctor o psychiatrist,but i read that some of the reasons we feel suicidal and depressed is because of the wrong imbalance of our brain chemicals

I've never ever seen anything evidence based to prove this. I watched a documentary once suggesting it was actually marketing language re enforced by pharmaceutical companies to peddle ADs. Where's the imbalance? Whats the correct balance for a healthy brain? Which chemicals? How has that been measured? I doubt any medical professional / scientist could answer these questions

 

[Soul]

I believe normal people do commit suicide. It's labelled as abnormal by people who may well have beliefs that I could call abnormal (such as euthanizing a sick animal but not a sick person, or being too terrified of death to ever mention it), but there are "normal" (rational, functioning) people right here on this forum who are planning to ctb.

 

[NotSure]

I think depression is real, but I don't think it's chronic, nor a terminal need. You have to find what makes you happy. You have to enjoy those things, and I mean truly ENJOY. You can't fake yourself into thinking you're happy, because night comes and so does the truth. You have to be right with yourself, your heart, and find peace within this unstable world. Take time to savor the little things that make you smile. We're all going to die, so just try and enjoy the ride.

 

[drakewantstogo]

Take a look at the homeless people for example, why they haven't commit suicide? I mean, having a life where you need to beg for the smallest things doesn't seem to be good.

They do. They are just a silent minority.

 

[headinghome]

I didn't say that LOL but it happens that depression is an even stronger factor for ctbing than being homeless without depression. I have everything I need but crippling depression. So its pointless.
I'd switch with a homeless without depression in a heartbeat

if i didn't have physical issues that have led to hopelessness i would never have suicide as an option...now i am severely depressed and just want to die-tried once with pills-now no other real options....coming from this point of view i say if you have your health you are 100% ahead of the curve....
no one will listen to me as i have nothing left to say and they all think a shrink is going to help or those god forsaken toxic drugs....all i say is god please help me die....