Why does society treat life as an Absolute Good?

[Le temps perdu]

I'm not trying to belittle any particular view on life and death, nor am I criticizing people who believe that living is inherently better than dying. I simply think that everyone's circumstances, experiences, and personal suffering are different, so it is natural for people to assign different meanings and values to life and death.

What confuses me is why mainstream society seems unable to tolerate different perspectives on this issue. Instead, it often promotes a rigid "life above all else" mentality, regardless of the actual quality of a person's life.

It feels as though the moment someone believes that death may be preferable to continued suffering — or wants the right to make decisions about their own existence. society immediately reacts with hostility, panic, or coercion. In some cases, there are even forceful or violent attempts to "correct" people simply for holding different views about life and death.

That is the part I genuinely struggle to understand.

It often seems less like people truly care about the individual's well-being, and more like they are trying to defend the ideology that life itself must always be preserved at any cost. Whether the person is suffering, in agony, or living in constant torment appears secondary.

Life and death are realities that no one can ultimately escape. So I sometimes wonder: when those who strongly advocate the principle that "life must be preserved above all else" eventually face unbearable suffering themselves, will they find that the very system they defended is waiting for them too?

 

[intr0verse]

Because it exist based on this principle?

 

[if_i_make_it]

I think about how easier for everyone it would be if we were less afraid of death and grief. We basically live our lives trying to insulate ourselves from the realities of death, of aging, of sickness, etc. loved ones of those who ctb would not be so traumatized if this was a conversation we could have open and honestly.

 

[Le temps perdu]

I think about how easier for everyone it would be if we were less afraid of death and grief. We basically live our lives trying to insulate ourselves from the realities of death, of aging, of sickness, etc. loved ones of those who ctb would not be so traumatized if this was a conversation we could have open and honestly.

I hope that one day society will stigmatize death and suicide a little less.

 

[Jrileniwa]

It depends on the culture. But initially it might have just been the instinct to survive that other species have to continue propagating where they could, kind of like robots programmed to build more machines like them. It was basic at first, then culture and it's a lot more complex.

 

[tooafraidtodiez]

This is true: that whether life is worth preserving or not depends on the quality and future of one's life. I've seen video of homeless people with gaping holes in their legs and people with disabilities who don't have a good support system (including myself). I live in a small city inside a developing country where the nursing home care here sucks, and one day there's a big chance I have to go there due to my disability. The ideology that life must be preserved above all else may be true for normal, able-bodied people who are not in any financial trouble, but for people with chronic illness or financial despair, preserving one's life as long as possible is just prolonging their suffering. Why are these things so hard to understand? Is it because they can't, or rather because of societal pressure and religious beliefs? Even in a less conservative nation where VAD is allowed, the cost is still ridiculously expensive. The problem with assuming that suicide is a simple impulsive thing (which i believe isn't true for most since fighting SI is difficult) is that it doesn't account that most suicidal people are either looking at a future which will be very dark, or perpetual physical and mental suffering—some of which will eventually lead to death anyway, like starvation, etc. I do believe to some degree that some people should be offered help first, like one case in my country where someone ctbed due to school bullying, I believe psychological help should be given first for these types of cases before deciding whether the person should be put to rest. But ultimately, if it arrives at the conclusion that an individual will be suffering indefinitely even after various medical and psychological help, they should be able to make personal choice. It still baffles me how lethal injection can be administered to a serial killer but not to people with extreme disability or poverty. Like, these serial killers deserve a peaceful death or something, while unlucky civilians have to suffer indefinitely.

 

[WantingOut2]

I'd give anything for help with a peaceful death.
I agree, people are in this brainwashed mindset of "life over everything" - as if the natural survival instinct that we all feel means that NOBODY would be better off dead. Society treats animals better than human beings, they are "put to sleep" when suffering - WHY NOT US?!??????

I also think the fact that Nembutal is not legal everywhere AS a death aid, that all barbiturates are not available anymore, is because governments WANT us to suffer; that's my belief, anyway. It certainly seems that way.
Suicide prevention is pro-suffering, plain and simple.
How I wish my life was over instead of typing these words now....

 

[FuneralCry]

I understand, it's just so dreadful and cruel how we exist in this world where the suffering and torture of existing is seen as to force and prolong no matter what with no limit as to how much one can be tortured, there's just so much terrible extreme cruelty in how humans are forced to suffer in this torturous existence that never should had been imposed that just leads to decay and death anyway.

To me existence could never be good rather existence as a mistake that just causes pain and suffering torturing existing beings, only non-existence could ever be positive to me, it's horrific to me how humans have made wanting permanent peace from all pain, torture and suffering into a crime.

 

[LastDayOnEarth]

I'll never get it either

 

[rainatthebusstop]

Probably years of brainwashing and the survival instinct running it's natural course.

But I wanna point out that we've never been so divorced from death so it has become a frightening other. The Victorians were this morbid because statistically they had to give birth to like 6 kids for one of them to reach adulthood. Nowadays people in so called first world countries have never been so safe and therefore death is just something that happens to other people.

 

[PanaxMan]

I'm not trying to belittle any particular view on life and death, nor am I criticizing people who believe that living is inherently better than dying. I simply think that everyone's circumstances, experiences, and personal suffering are different, so it is natural for people to assign different meanings and values to life and death.

What confuses me is why mainstream society seems unable to tolerate different perspectives on this issue. Instead, it often promotes a rigid "life above all else" mentality, regardless of the actual quality of a person's life.

It feels as though the moment someone believes that death may be preferable to continued suffering — or wants the right to make decisions about their own existence. society immediately reacts with hostility, panic, or coercion. In some cases, there are even forceful or violent attempts to "correct" people simply for holding different views about life and death.

That is the part I genuinely struggle to understand.

It often seems less like people truly care about the individual's well-being, and more like they are trying to defend the ideology that life itself must always be preserved at any cost. Whether the person is suffering, in agony, or living in constant torment appears secondary.

Life and death are realities that no one can ultimately escape. So I sometimes wonder: when those who strongly advocate the principle that "life must be preserved above all else" eventually face unbearable suffering themselves, will they find that the very system they defended is waiting for them too?

Most are but if you look at the amount of members within most religions you go into the realms of Eschatology and if you truly live in China you also experience either atheist or Buddhist within the people you meet

 

[urgent]

I'd give anything for help with a peaceful death.
I agree, people are in this brainwashed mindset of "life over everything" - as if the natural survival instinct that we all feel means that NOBODY would be better off dead. Society treats animals better than human beings, they are "put to sleep" when suffering - WHY NOT US?!??????

I also think the fact that Nembutal is not legal everywhere AS a death aid, that all barbiturates are not available anymore, is because governments WANT us to suffer; that's my belief, anyway. It certainly seems that way.
Suicide prevention is pro-suffering, plain and simple.
How I wish my life was over instead of typing these words now....

Can you DM me please?

 

[LonelyOutcast0528]

Shareholders and corporations wouldn't be able to make so much money off you if you were always trying to leave their system.

 

[inpainnosleep]

Even if you don't work and are on disability, the medical system (which is probably the most corrupt system in the U.S.) is making a ton of money off of you. There is no escape.

 

[Sardenain]

My two cents based on vibes:

In modern society death is very distant and abstract for majority of people. And any kind death can be seen as a failure of society/heathcare (e.g. being murdered, avoidable accident, preventable illness and so) So expressing views different than staying alive can be shocking for majority of people as it explicitly expresses failures in the society we live. And easiest way to deal with this shock is to trying to minimize the person expressing these views rather than thinking why they feel like that.

 

[peacebenow]

So much this.

 

[Passenger4224]

I'm convinced most people are brainwashed and we are the ones who see life for what it truly is.

 

[itsgone2]

So I sometimes wonder: when those who strongly advocate the principle that "life must be preserved above all else" eventually face unbearable suffering themselves, will they find that the very system they defended is waiting for them too?

Yes.
I've experienced both. When suffering, it's obvious there is a need to escape. Otherwise the mind has such difficulty conceiving it.
People have made such good comparisons to pets. With them we know when it's time to end their suffering. With people we don't.

 

[JoeFailure]

A lot of people do have it good in life. It's hard for them to see it the way we do. I was one of them when I was younger. Young 20's version of me would have been hated here, I was one of those people who thought life was a gift and people who took their own lives were taking the easy way out. I just didn't know anything about anything.

 

[liquid jen]

Because everyone at the top has told us that suicide is wrong and death should be avoided and life is great and worth protecting. But nobody ever just thinks for a moment. The people at the top spewing this don't really care. They don't believe this. If they did they wouldn't start wars, they wouldn't kill, they wouldn't do any number of horrid acts they do to us. They tell us all these things so that we'll comply. So that we'll keep coming. We're just more workers to work and more bodies to rape. We are nothing to them but items to use. Why would they want their toys gone?