What is wrong with suicide?

[desire2ctb]

I don't understand what is actually wrong with it. If someone is in a clear state of mind, and wants to die, why does everybody else step in? "Permanent solution to temporary problem" Ok, and if it's a permanent problem? Even if there is no problem, even if I'm super happy and have a perfect life, I should be allowed to die if I wanted to.

 

[NitrogenNightmare]

Treating pets this way is considered abusive. If they're suffering and you can't fix it, you put them down.

 

[Aflame5926]

its how we got raised and basicly brainwashed that CTB is bad.

because everybody got brainwashed people stil keep it strong. untill the moment they want to go themself.

at that moment people realise how fucked it actually is


are some people doing CTB to quickly? i would say yes. the impact of it is always big.

but were not allowed to talk about or challenge the rules because that is a 1 way trip into a mental hospital with weird ass practices.

i recently was googling around about how effective its actually is. AI said it was give or take 50% effective.

50% on whole mental healcare is in my opinion not that much

 

[suicidia]

a lot of people think everyone can be saved and that its bad to let someone die no matter the circumstances i think its a litol more understandable if you know and / or love the person but i think its a much better fate for the person and their loved ones to let them kill themselves than bouncing around different mental health treatments and a billion different meds to maybe land in a decent mental hospital with most of them lost to a cocktail of meds

 

[itsgone2]

There is nothing wrong with it. You are correct it should be our choice. Pro choice should include adults.

It's difficult to envision when you feel well. I thought I had recovered and for a time wanted to help others. Veterans in particular.

It's hard to do even when you want to. To think it's ok when you feel well is not possible for many. Or perhaps most.

Probably a form of SI.

But some progress has been made. I think for elderly with severe health issues it's getting better. Slowly. For the rest of us it will not happen anywhere close to our lifetimes, if ever.

But it's our bodies. It should be our choice.

 

[Sedfrg]

Society usually interprets such thoughts as anhedonia or severe depression, and less often as other disorders, as in your case; that is precisely why you are considered abnormal, even when everything is fine. I think that in your case, you shouldn't dwell on such things; judging by your previous posts, it's best to do what you believe is right, even if it contradicts conventional wisdom, or to maintain an observer's stance until the very end, until life turns into "Nausea".

 

[Bishop]

Rien/nada

 

[1nocares]

I don't understand what is actually wrong with it. If someone is in a clear state of mind, and wants to die, why does everybody else step in? "Permanent solution to temporary problem" Ok, and if it's a permanent problem? Even if there is no problem, even if I'm super happy and have a perfect life, I should be allowed to die if I wanted to.

I completely agree. My life, my choice? Even if it causes the others around me pain, such is life. Should I stay and suffer just to make them happy? I don't know. It's just greed

 

[thefirstluminary]

because everybody got brainwashed people stil keep it strong. untill the moment they want to go themself.

no, you ain't leaving us to suffer while you got to go

 

[Bruce]

Right. People here are missing the true reason. It's because the system does not want people to be free, it's because the system needs the people to work. The moment suicide is accepted there will be options for us, many. People will talk about it, about why or how. Many will realize that we are living in hell and then they will off themselves through various means (assisted or otherwise). And then who is left to work? Who is left to pay taxes? There will be some, sure. But these will be the idiots, lazy or bad at their jobs.

 

[Hollowman]

Nothing at all.

 

[Sedfrg]

It's interesting to watch what happens before a person either leaves the forum for good, tries to do the very thing they so "principledly" opposed, or-most interestingly - simply starts living their own life, leaving all of this behind. Perhaps you even did someone a favor by spewing so much hatred; for a moment, it seemed to me that my mention of "Nausea" had taken on real significance in this discussion.

 

[spellbound]

you can still be homeless, not pay taxes, and go into "wild mode" if you hate the system so much. or just end your life already. OR go ahead and change the system and make suicide legal to everyone. you won't, and YOU NEVER CAN. it's how our brains are wired. we didn't exist in this life just to end our lives. no wonder our survival instinct is there to protect us. that's why almost every normal, functional human being sees suicide as weird cause that's how it is. it's not about society brainwashing us that suicide is bad; it's just how we're made.

I think you bring up an interesting point, that we're somehow wired to have an aversion to suicide, which is definitely true and observable, but I don't think that fact alone gives the ground to claim that suicide is morally wrong. Just because our brain have a specific reaction to something doesn't mean it's bad: my brain don't like eating broccolis but I still do it to grow into a strong boy. My brain is really scared when I kiss a girl but I still do it. In both case, it's "wired" to not do something.
There's two ways to overcome that brain barrier: through rationality or through an overwhelming amount of emotions (or a mix of both). I eat broccolis because I know rationally that it's good for me and I kiss girls because the positive emotions outweighs the primal fear reaction. Most "normal functioning humans" have never experienced either of these when it comes to suicide, so they've never had a chance to challenge their natural, biological reaction to it. Humans are made to overcome their primal reaction to things, that's what allows us to grow.

if you think suicide should be legal, everything will turn into a chaotic mess. it messes up literally everything. oh wait, i forgot you suicidal folks are selfish.

How would the legality of suicide impact global society in any meaningful way ? You think that if suicide was made legal, everyone would do it ? That would contradict your idea that we're just biologically unable to do it. A lot of people ctb already. What would be so different if it was made legal ? Except for, as you mention later, avoiding to turn into a vegetable ? All of your basic pro-lifer rhetoric contradicts itself.

if you don't have a purpose in life, if you don't feel like anything makes sense and nothing works, don't try to throw the whole "suicide is not wrong" thing in everyone's face, CAUSE IT'S NOT. if you wanna do it, go ahead and do it. everything about what you people think is faulty. none of it makes sense, nor is it moral.

I think it's important to throw the whole "suicide is not wrong" thing in everyone's face, for multiple reasons. Firstly, as you didn't fail to mention, I'm terribly selfish, and I selfishly want my loved one to understand my decision and not view it as stupid, deranged or evil. But also, I think demonisation of suicide causes a tremendous amount of suffering to suicidal people, that feel a huge amount of guilt and self loathing. These people were conditioned by society to basically hate themselves for making the "wrong" moral decision. By talking about suicide as being a choice, and being morally acceptable to commit, we can have the hope of living in the world where suicidals won't have to suffer so much for making a decision which they feel is right for them.

It's normal to get angry sometimes at pro-choice suicidals, or suicide itself maybe, when you're struggling with it. I get pretty angry at myself and the world sometimes. Sometimes I too feel like suicide is selfish. But that's not me speaking. It's just my self loathing. I just feel selfish for leaving my beloved friends and family behind. But most of the time I'm at peace with it. It's my life and it's my death. I wish you could be at peace with it. In a world where suicide will be legalised, and normalised, we won't have to feel this hatred and self loathing just for being who we are and choosing to catch the bus

 

[Bruce]

@thefirstluminary You're not thinking straight. Your have no idea what you're talking about. It's better to calm down, to think, to understand before you say something.

 

[interna]

just end your life already.

almost every normal, functional human sees suicide as weird

almost everyone who wants to ctb is mentally ill

oh wait, i forgot you suicidal folks are selfish.

you wanna kill yourself? then go ahead and do it. but people might stop you midway, and you're gonna end up a vegetable for the rest of your life cause your method went wrong. and IT'S A HIGH CHANCE IT WILL cause of your dumb decision.

everything about what you people think is faulty. none of it makes sense, nor is it moral.

it's like the contradictions and prolife rhetorics write themselves...
if this forums not for you there's plenty of anti-suicide recovery forums as well. there's no reason to have a meltdown over it and be yet another obnoxious pro lifer who thinks being all like "bluh bluh selfish assholes" is a novel, world changing take no one's heard before. you can disagree, but what did you expect the answers to "is suicide wrong?" to be like in a pro-choice forum of all places?

 

[dopaminedeath]

Karma carries forward and it's the intent that matters behind your act

 

[FuneralCry]

I understand and it's just so cruel and terrible how we exist in this horrific world where the suffering and torture of existing is seen as to force and prolong no matter what, forcing people to suffer in this existence that never should had been imposed at all is just horrific extreme cruelty to me, all that anti-suicide ever does is just cause way more torture and suffering in this existence where there is no limit as to how much agony one can feel.

I'll just always see existence as a mistake, to me existence is what is wrong and it's just so terrible how humans impose this existence at all, there's so much cruelty in how even know nobody could had chose any of this, this torturous, cruel existence is made into a prison with humans doing all they can to force others to suffer in this existence that is just waiting for death anyway. For ceasing to exist is the positive solution, I'll always see existence as what is wrong, to suffer in this existence is an abomination to me, to exist truly does mean to suffer.

 

[Le temps perdu]

I believe society should understand that suicide is not a matter of right or wrong. The very fact that suicidal thoughts arise already speaks volumes about what a person may be going through. Yet many societies would rather force individuals to continue enduring their suffering, prolong their pain, and impose coercive, paternalistic measures that can further harm them, than focus on understanding what they have experienced, empathizing with their circumstances, respecting their autonomy and right to die, and legalizing maid. I'm really disappointed.

 

[Bybye]

Nothing wrong with it.
Imagine if you were forced into a restaurant where they only serve warm piss and shit and you wanted to leave, but someone blocked your way out calling you crazy for not wanting to eat the piss and shit. That's what denying a humane way to die is like.

 

[silverbell]

Who tf allowed pro lifers to rant their bitchy ass here? If you don't like this forum leave this forum or there is a separate section for recovery go dump your shitty pro life views there. Clowns be talking shit even on a suicide forum

 

[Bruce]

@silverbell It's fine. She's in pain and extremely confused. If you don't like what she has to say then Ignore her. But I don't think banning her is the right thing to do.

edit: She keeps contradicting herself. You can't have a discussion with her. I only see hate. I would try and help but how if she does not let anyone in.

 

[silverbell]

@silverbell It's fine. She's in pain and extremely confused. If you don't like what she has to say then Ignore her. But I don't think banning her is the right thing to do.

edit: She keeps contradicting herself. You can't have a discussion with her. I only see hate. I would try and help but how if she does not let anyone in.

Sorry about that. I apologise to that person. It's just that every other social media app is full of shitty people. I can't catch a break even here. I thought this site was pro choice and not imposing your views on others.

 

[Bruce]

@silverbell Oh it's alright, you had a natural reaction. I would probably be the same if I would be on other social media websites. That's why I'm not. : ) I would complain about toxicity but it's more then that, it's that with these people you cannot communicate. It's like talking to a wall. There is no person to talk to, they are puppets guided by a puppeteer.

@thefirstluminary I'm sorry, I look at your avatar and I thought wrong apparently.

 

[Badatlove]

Right. People here are missing the true reason. It's because the system does not want people to be free, it's because the system needs the people to work. The moment suicide is accepted there will be options for us, many. People will talk about it, about why or how. Many will realize that we are living in hell and then they will off themselves through various means (assisted or otherwise). And then who is left to work? Who is left to pay taxes? There will be some, sure. But these will be the idiots, lazy or bad at their jobs.

This you say right. We think we are free but are in a prison on earth

 

[Sharly]

To be honest, I don't understand most pro-life argument. More often than not it results in "easy" ways out to become less accessible to those who want it.

Take SN for example, nowadays most companies refuse to sell to private citizens due to public backlash. But what people don't understand is that it just makes the exit more painful, not less frequent.

 

[Passenger4224]

I don't understand what is actually wrong with it. If someone is in a clear state of mind, and wants to die, why does everybody else step in? "Permanent solution to temporary problem" Ok, and if it's a permanent problem? Even if there is no problem, even if I'm super happy and have a perfect life, I should be allowed to die if I wanted to.

I like permanent solutions, that means I never have to deal with the "temporary problem" ever again!!!

Pro-lifers are just brainwashed. Can't take them seriously.

 

[DonLockwood]

it's like the contradictions and prolife rhetorics write themselves...
if this forums not for you there's plenty of anti-suicide recovery forums as well. there's no reason to have a meltdown over it and be yet another obnoxious pro lifer who thinks being all like "bluh bluh selfish assholes" is a novel, world changing take no one's heard before. you can disagree, but what did you expect the answers to "is suicide wrong?" to be like in a pro-choice forum of all places?

no idea why someone would join the forum just to start shit like that...