What do you think of NDE's?

[DivineSpark]

I have read tons of them.

 

[derpyderpins]

I have a lot of thoughts, recently.

I made a post a bit ago about "all religions are right," where I basically say there's something to people experiencing something real that can't be explained which have resulted in different belief systems throughout the world. I use quantum physics as a catch-all explanation, but the 'why' isn't important. I think that we get to "higher states" of conciousness, and that it is correlated with certain parts of our brain being active and it affects our perception of time and maybe space.

My basic theory would be that something like an intense focus on music, or composition of such, hitting emotions we can't typically hit, would be one such instance.

When major events happen and things seem to slow down would be another example.

Meditation in many forms helps move towards this.

Higher than these would be dreams, particularly vivid and lucid dreaming, which I've been pushing myself towards to explore this.

Possibly the highest that we have a good example of are NDEs.

So I think NDEs are a rare instance where we are able to experience that greater element of life that we can't quite define. Frequency, vibration, and energy as Tesla posited. Lots of people have their explanations for what it is: demons, angels, spirit energy, ghosts, akashic suchandsuch, alternate universes, astral suchandsuch. I think they're all right and wrong in ways, but I think NDEs are the clearest glimpse we get into whatever that is.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'm not convinced of them being 'proof' that we go anywhere after death. I think they could very well just be the brain/ imagination's last flourish as it is flooded by hormones/ natural chemicals. I think people have had similar experiences experimenting with LSD.

It's peculiar that many people report similar circumstances but then, we also dream similar things as a species- flying dreams etc. If we didn't dream at all, I'd be blown away by NDE's but, seeing as we do. Seeing as we can even hallucinate while still alive, I personally view NDE's along the same lines.

 

[_Minsk]

cant say if they are real or just a hallucination but floating above the body, and as some claim being able to witness the surrounding outside the body sounds interesting to me. but maybe to good to be true? hope to find out when ctb. im atheist and dont believe in an any religion, how some people say that especially god helped them whenever something good happens feel kinda weird to me. what if something bad happens? the devil?
idk.. how we interpret or frame given events plays a big role and shapes the experience imo. i hope this life isnt all there is but tbh my life is so miserable, i doubt there will be something better than this

 

[asocial]

I'm not convinced of them being 'proof' that we go anywhere after death. I think they could very well just be the brain/ imagination's last flourish as it is flooded by hormones/ natural chemicals. I think people have had similar experiences experimenting with LSD.

It's peculiar that many people report similar circumstances but then, we also dream similar things as a species- flying dreams etc. If we didn't dream at all, I'd be blown away by NDE's but, seeing as we do. Seeing as we can even hallucinate while still alive, I personally view NDE's along the same lines.

DMT is what's released during sleeping and dreaming which causes these experiences

 

[Unrequitedlife]

I have a lot of thoughts, recently.

I made a post a bit ago about "all religions are right," where I basically say there's something to people experiencing something real that can't be explained which have resulted in different belief systems throughout the world. I use quantum physics as a catch-all explanation, but the 'why' isn't important. I think that we get to "higher states" of conciousness, and that it is correlated with certain parts of our brain being active and it affects our perception of time and maybe space.

My basic theory would be that something like an intense focus on music, or composition of such, hitting emotions we can't typically hit, would be one such instance.

When major events happen and things seem to slow down would be another example.

Meditation in many forms helps move towards this.

Higher than these would be dreams, particularly vivid and lucid dreaming, which I've been pushing myself towards to explore this.

Possibly the highest that we have a good example of are NDEs.

So I think NDEs are a rare instance where we are able to experience that greater element of life that we can't quite define. Frequency, vibration, and energy as Tesla posited. Lots of people have their explanations for what it is: demons, angels, spirit energy, ghosts, akashic suchandsuch, alternate universes, astral suchandsuch. I think they're all right and wrong in ways, but I think NDEs are the clearest glimpse we get into whatever that is.

Love your theories, and most of what you describe fits in with what beliefs i have come to adopt. I can't pretend to know a great deal currently as i have not read as much i would like (though i intend to change that). In simple terms i believe that our energy/souls exist in a higher state than our mortal minds comprehend, though as you mention i do believe that we or at least some of us are capable of tapping in to our "higher selves" though meditation etc.

In terms of what you mention of lucid dreaming... Are you aware of "reality shifting"? It is something i literally stumbled upon last week and i am curious by it. I intend to investigate this concept further but if you have any insights I'd be interested to hear them.

 

[ColorlessTrees]

Love your theories, and most of what you describe fits in with what beliefs i have come to adopt. I can't pretend to know a great deal currently as i have not read as much i would like (though i intend to change that). In simple terms i believe that our energy/souls exist in a higher state than our mortal minds comprehend, though as you mention i do believe that we or at least some of us are capable of tapping in to our "higher selves" though meditation etc.

In terms of what you mention of lucid dreaming... Are you aware of "reality shifting"? It is something i literally stumbled upon last week and i am curious by it. I intend to investigate this concept further but if you have any insights I'd be interested to hear them.

Not as educated and/or as big a theorizer on the matter, but I believe the experience of 'reality shifting' as the mostly kids call it is just an alternative meditative/hypnosis state or wakeful lucid dreaming, to be perfectly honest. The element of control or "scripting" to the fantasy is in line with it. A rebrand, if you will.

And a lot of them, to be plain, are either lying for attention, delusional, or have very vivid imaginations.

 

[derpyderpins]

DMT is what's released during sleeping and dreaming which causes these experiences

Very interesting. Do you have any good materials on this? I want to dig further.

In terms of what you mention of lucid dreaming... Are you aware of "reality shifting"? It is something i literally stumbled upon last week and i am curious by it. I intend to investigate this concept further but if you have any insights I'd be interested to hear them.

Not as educated and/or as big a theorizer on the matter, but I believe the experience of 'reality shifting' as the mostly kids call it is just an alternative meditative/hypnosis state or wakeful lucid dreaming, to be perfectly honest. The element of control or "scripting" to the fantasy is in line with it. A rebrand, if you will.

And a lot of them, to be plain, are either lying for attention, delusional, or have very vivid imaginations.

@ColorlessTrees is pretty close to what I'd say. I am not familiar with that specifically but I assume it's like "astral projecting" kids talk about, which I would say is something in the meditation realm. Not dismissing it, but it goes with my theory that all of these things are grasping at a similar phenomenon. There also is a lot of larping and - more innocently - active imaginations at play. Which, hey, maybe that's part of it! We are visualizing, after all. It's just less literal than they say.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

DMT is what's released during sleeping and dreaming which causes these experiences

Could you link the studies to this claim? From what I last heard, there isn't much evidence for this claim...