What do you think of my method?

[Rumi]

Hi All,

I will take a large plastic bag and place it over my head, securing it with an elastic band. Holding the neck of the plastic bag open so that I can breathe, I will take 100mg Benadryl. Continuing to hold the neck of the bag open, I will wait until I lose consciousness, whereupon the bag will come to rest against my neck, preventing me from breathing in fresh air. After about 20 minutes, the supply of air in the bag will run out, and CO2 will build up to the point where the air in the bag becomes toxic. However, the Benadryl will prevent the build up of CO2 from triggering the hypercapnic response. 10 minutes later, I will die as a result of the combination of hypoxia and CO2 poisoning. I feel confident that this method will succeed, even if it takes a couple of failed attempts to get it right. There is evidence that hundreds of people CTB this way every year, and in many cases using a sedative no stronger than Benadryl. (See my previous post for more info).

If I am right about all this, I think this may be an ideal method for many people, potentially even better than SN.

 

[Someone123]

Typically I think that people tear tha bag off most of the time when they use plastic bags, though it sometimes works. It may work though, I'm not sure, I just don't kow how you keep your hands from tearing the bag off- the body does this even from a passed out state sometimes, due to survival instinct. It does seem to have a chance to work though. I know that some people have ctbd using plastic bags without meds, especiallyh in prison, where there aren't many options. It mya not be peaceful though.

 

[Rumi]

Typically I think that people tear tha bag off most of the time when they use plastic bags, though it sometimes works. It may work though, I'm not sure, I just don't kow how you keep your hands from tearing the bag off- the body does this even from a passed out state sometimes, due to survival instinct. It does seem to have a chance to work though. I know that some people have ctbd using plastic bags without meds, especiallyh in prison, where there aren't many options. It mya not be peaceful though.

The issue is, I can find hundreds of examples of people CTBing this way, and in many of those cases, only OTC meds like anti-histamines were used. If one were to use Benzos or Ambien, the rate of success would surely increase. I can give you an exact success rate for this method, as most people who fail this method will not report having attempted. It's not like hanging or firearms where the number of deaths per hospitalisations can be used as a proxy for the success rate, as very few people who attempt this method will be institutionalised or go to the ER. So one can only speculate as to the success rate. You won't tear off the bag if the bag you use is large enough and if you hold the bag open until you pass out.

If you are worried about how peaceful this method will be, I recently tried placing a medium-sized plastic bag over my head to see what it would feel like. When I removed the bag after 17 minutes, I felt no worse than a person would after intense exercise. There were even times where I felt euphoric due to oxygen deprivation. Using a larger bag, I could probably last for 25 minutes. It takes roughly an hour to fall into deep sleep if you haven't taken anything, so 25 minutes could be enough for a person who has taken a sedative. And once your in deep sleep, you will not tear of fthe bag. How else could hundreds of people per year CTB this way?

 

[that smell]

Are there really hundreds of people who ctb each year with this method? Do you mind sharing the source for that?

What kind of bag would you use? And what kind of elastic band to secure it? I would think that it would be easy to tear the bag or remove it if you started thrashing from CO2 buildup. Would a sedative as weak as an antihistamine be enough to stop that reaction? I'd assume your body would wake up if it was suffocating but that's just an assumption from me, I have no basis for knowing.

 

[Rumi]

Are there really hundreds of people who ctb each year with this method? Do you mind sharing the source for that?

The source I found is a Geo Stones 1999 book 'Suicide and Suicide methods'. You can download it from Library Genesis. The data I am referencing can be found on page 159.

Plastic Bag without Gas is listed as the either the third or fourth most common method of suicide by asphyxiation, after hanging, Carbon monoxide poisoning, and drowning. 422 people died this way in 1994. I can't find a source more recent than this, but if anything, Plastic bag has become a relatively more accessible method since the 1990s, considering that CO poisoning has become more difficult since catalytic convertors have become gradually less common since they were phased out of production in th 1970s.

There is also a study from the Coroner's office of Ontario that suggests that OTC anti-histamines are frequently used in successful completions of this method (Although Benzos were also mentioned) : over 100 people CTBed this way over a four year period in the 90s.

What kind of bag would you use? And what kind of elastic band to secure it?

The larger the bag, the better. If you can find a 240 liter/60 gallon trash bag for a wheelie bin, that would be ideal.
The elastic band I am using is slightly less than an inch thick, and it worked for me when I put on the bag. You could find this kind of elastic band in a stationery shop, or online.

I would think that it would be easy to tear the bag or remove it if you started thrashing from CO2 buildup.

That is why using a large bag is so important. A 240 liter trash bag will allow you 30 minutes of air, which should be enough time for a stronger sedative like Ambien or Benzos to put you into a deep sleep. Remember, you will be breathing freely through the open neck of the bag until you lose consciousness.

Would a sedative as weak as an antihistamine be enough to stop that reaction?

I don't know; but I don't think anti-histamines are as weak as a sedative as is often suggested. There are anecdotal reports of people taking them and passing out within 5 minutes, only to wake up 16 hours later with a three day hangover. They are obviously not as effective as Benzos or Ambien, but they are more accessible, which is why I am using them for my attempt. It is essential that you not take a large dose (more than 300mg) as beyond that point you may experience the adverse effects of diphenhydramine, which included extreme paranoia and hallucinations indistinguishable from reality.

I'd assume your body would wake up if it was suffocating

The hypercapnic response will cause you to remove the bag without regaining consciousness. This is why people who fail this method wake up to find that they have torn off the bag in their sleep. The nightmare scenario of a person waking up gasping for air will only happen if your hands are obstructed in some way and you can't tear off the bag in your sleep.

 

[Someone123]

The issue is, I can find hundreds of examples of people CTBing this way, and in many of those cases, only OTC meds like anti-histamines were used. If one were to use Benzos or Ambien, the rate of success would surely increase. I can give you an exact success rate for this method, as most people who fail this method will not report having attempted. It's not like hanging or firearms where the number of deaths per hospitalisations can be used as a proxy for the success rate, as very few people who attempt this method will be institutionalised or go to the ER. So one can only speculate as to the success rate. You won't tear off the bag if the bag you use is large enough and if you hold the bag open until you pass out.

If you are worried about how peaceful this method will be, I recently tried placing a medium-sized plastic bag over my head to see what it would feel like. When I removed the bag after 17 minutes, I felt no worse than a person would after intense exercise. There were even times where I felt euphoric due to oxygen deprivation. Using a larger bag, I could probably last for 25 minutes. It takes roughly an hour to fall into deep sleep if you haven't taken anything, so 25 minutes could be enough for a person who has taken a sedative. And once your in deep sleep, you will not tear of fthe bag. How else could hundreds of people per year CTB this way?

I'm not saying it won't work, all methods have plusses adn minusses and I am just trying to contribute to the discussion of the pluses and minusses. I have seen at leasty a few people here report failing at this method by tearing the bag off, survival instinct often forces this to happen. It can work, but it is not likely to be peaceful l at ll and it often fails. I hope yo can find peace somehow, and I am not recommending against this method, I am just saying, like with all method, people should have a realistic idea of whether it will succeed or not or how strwessful it may be. A lot of people are willing to endure a short time of sufferiung in order to avoid many years of suffering- people should just be realistic about the plusses and minusses of any method. Again, I hope you find peace somehow.