VAD megathread (Voluntary Assisted Suicide)

[bluebirds]

which places in Sweden to apply at ?

Update regarding Sweden

Passive euthanasia was deemed legal after a landmark court ruling in 2010. That means a health care professional can legally cease life support upon request from a patient if they understand the consequences stated by their health care professional. Administering a lethal substance is illegal.

Passive euthanasia in Sweden also means, it´s legal for a person, a family member or a friend, to be present - and in that respect help and assist - when a person commits suicide - without having to try to stop him/her.

Furthermore, killing on demand is allowed in Sweden.

 

[silentcicada]

Update regarding Sweden

Passive euthanasia was deemed legal after a landmark court ruling in 2010. That means a health care professional can legally cease life support upon request from a patient if they understand the consequences stated by their health care professional. Administering a lethal substance is illegal.

Passive euthanasia in Sweden also means, it´s legal for a person, a family member or a friend, to be present - and in that respect help and assist - when a person commits suicide - without having to try to stop him/her.

Furthermore, killing on demand is allowed in Sweden.

Do I need to be a Swedish citizen for this to apply to me? My partner is from Sweden, if he were to assist me in person would he get in trouble?

 

[befree]

which places in Sweden to apply at ?

Since only passive euthanasia is allowed in Sweden you would ask your medical professional to stop all treatments that keep you alive.
Actice euthanasia is not allowed in Sweden, so no medical professional is allowed to perform VAD, such as injecting a lethal substance.
This is the difference between passive and active euthanasia/VAD.

Do I need to be a Swedish citizen for this to apply to me? My partner is from Sweden, if he were to assist me in person would he get in trouble?

I can´t answer this question, but will do more research and will post what I have found out.

 

[silentcicada]

Since only passive euthanasia is allowed in Sweden you would ask your medical professional to stop all treatments that keep you alive.
Actice euthanasia is not allowed in Sweden, so no medical professional is allowed to perform VAD, such as injecting a lethal substance.
This is the difference between passive and active euthanasia/VAD.

I can´t answer this question, but will do more research and will post what I have found out.

I appreciate your help. :)

 

[befree]

Unfortunately, due to server problems, some posts have disappeared. Since we don´t know if and when this will happen again or if SS will disappear,
I recommend copying and saving everything. Also, you should ask questions now if you have any, because I´m thinking about leaving SS or at least reducing my activity. This is not because I want to die but because I think I have done enough for the community. SS had become almost a full time job with all the posts and many PM. I don't plan to CTB. Now I want to get back to spending my time on more positive things.

The communication style has also become more disrespectful. It´s not proper anymore like the community used to be. The image of SS has also gotten worse. For example, the media says that SS encourages suicide. It was never my intention to encourage suicide, but only to share information about possible methods, chances of success but also about risks.

 

[bluebirds]

Hi Befree, I am trying to send you message before you leave but it wont let me.
Can you please PM a "hi" or anything so I can send my message?

thank you @befree

 

[winterparty]

As for pegasos they didn't even give me a chance if I gave them a severe mental health diagnosis and they're considered more open to take the harder, younger cases. I'm under 30

 

[cosifantutti]

As for pegasos they didn't even give me a chance if I gave them a severe mental health diagnosis and they're considered more open to take the harder, younger cases. I'm under 30

Tbh I think that assisted dying is very hard to get if you have mental illness. I actually could get the money to go to Switzerland but it would mean getting a psychiatrist to agree to such a course of action. That's never going to happen. Whilst they can conclude that there's nothing more they can do it's also acceptable to them that you will never be free from distress.

VAD megathread (Voluntary Assisted Suicide)


Because there are too many single threads on this topic, I´m combining all threads into one new megathread for a better overview.

I have helped people with the VAD application for many years (free of charge) and know all the associations and how they work.


Currently existing VAD associations in Switzerland​

Dignitas http://www.dignitas.ch/?lang=en
Pegasos https://pegasos-association.com/
Exit (not Exit International) https://www.exit.ch/en/englisch/engagement-of-exit/our-end-of-life-care/
Ex-International http://www.exinternational.ch/
Eternal Spirit https://www.eternalspirit.ch/en/
Lifecircle https://www.lifecircle.ch/en/?no_cache=1
Verein Sterbehilfe https://www.sterbehilfe.de/

These associations accept applications from foreigners​

Dignitas
Pegasos in cooperation with Exit International*
Ex-International
Lifecircle
Eternal Spirit in cooperation with Lifecircle

Lifecircle is no longer accepting new members. So only VAD applications from existing members will be accepted.

* Pegasos cooperates with Exit International. Exit International offers a "Identification Assistance Program".
An Exit International member accompanies the person to the VAD appointment to identify the body after death. For this service Exit International charges CHF1.750,-. Furthermore Exit International helps you with the application. Also this service costs CHF1.750,-.

Currently existing VAD association in Germany​

Verein Sterbehilfe (For German citizen only. Office in Hamburg, Germany and Zuerich, Switzerland) https://www.sterbehilfe.de/

There are also independent suicide assistents in Germany.

Other European countries where assistet suicide is possible​

In these European countries, a doctor can prescribe a lethal drug if certain legal conditions are met:

Netherlands, Belgium Luxembourg, Austria, Spain

Requirements for Switzerland​

There are 3 cathegories:

1. completed life - no medical records required (because you are a healthy person at a certain age)
2. physical illness - medical records and exact dignosis required
3. mental illness - medical records and opinion of an independent Swiss psychiatrist required - very long process + higher costs - very low chance

Terminal illness does not mean you will die. It can be any physical illness that you suffer from.

Mental illness is very complex. You can have depression for years, but be mentally healthy enough to be judgmental.

For the VAD application you need​

- exact diagnosis - It´s not enough to name symptoms (e.g. my joints hurt, I can´t sleep, my stomache hurts...).
- medical records chronologically from the beginning until today
- laboratory results
- X-rays
- certificates
- records of previous therapies
- passport
- re-issued birth certificate, not older than 6 months
- a person who will accompany you to Switzerland to identify you after death
- CHF10.000,- + travel expenses + costs for psychiatrist in Switzerland / travel expenses (if applicable)
Ex-International: CHF8.500,- / Exit: Swiss citizen 50+ only, lower costs.


Questions:

Do you know the reason for your illness ?
Did something happen ?
Was there an accident ?
Why don't you feel good ?
What symptoms do you have ?
How does your illness affect your daily life?

Were previous therapies successful ?
Have the symptoms improved ?
Has the condition worsened ?
What is the prognosis according to the doctor ?
Are there further therapies available ?
Are there any therapies you have refused or could not pay for?
Are you able to work?

Write the answers to these questions in your application (if applicable).

If you are unsure whether your application would be accepted, email the association before you send in your application. When you send in the application, you have to pay the deposit !

Ask in a few words: I suffer from the diagnosis XXXXXXX (the exact diagnosis, not only symptoms !).

Could you please let me know if I would have a chance to be accepted for VAD in general ?

Do not write too much. Ask all your questions in one mail.

The answer you get is not an approval ! Your application can still be rejected !

Costs​

The VAD costs include:

processing of your application
costs for doctors and lawyers
costs for administration and staff
Pentobarbital
authorities
police
cremation
shipping of the urn worldwide

Before you decide to apply, ask yourself​

Have I read all the information on the websites of the 6 Swiss associations carefully and do I understand everything ?
Do I have a real chance to qualify ?
Do I have the money (minimum CHF10.000,-) ?
Can I afford to lose at least CHF1.500,- of the deposit if I get rejected ?
Would I be willing and able to travel to Switzerland for an expert opinion that would cost additional CHF1.000,-+ travel expenses?
Do I have all the required documents and medical records ?
Do I have someone to accompany me to identify me after death ?
Will I be able to travel to the VAD appointment ?



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Related threads:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/a-forum-for-discussing-the-swiss-option.127310/

Assisted suicide, VAD, Pegasos, Dignitas...

Just had a look at the Exit International website. Yearly membership means you can ask Exit to help with a VAD application to any Swiss organisation. You pay 1200USD on top of membership for this. Lifetime membership is necessary if you want somebody from Exit to identify you after death. You...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Information about end of life clinic

Hi all ...Is there anyone from Switzerland here ?

sanctioned-suicide.net

Suicide in Switzerland?

Just saw this story in the NYTimes this morning: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/obituaries/norah-vincent-dead.html?smid=tw-share Assisted suicide in Switzerland. This is a thing you can do for depression? I had no idea. Time to re-up that passport.

sanctioned-suicide.net

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/pegasos.121827/#post-2081192
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...o-accompany-me-to-pegasos.98739/#post-1714349
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/anyone-has-a-greenlight-from-swiss-vad.111730/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/lottery-system-to-support-swiss-vad.110426/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/vad-witness-for-switzerland-offers.105331/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/indentification-after-vad-in-switzerland.129836/

 

[sserafim]

Hi @befree I was wondering if ADHD, ASD, and social anxiety would allow me to qualify as a suitable candidate. I also have undiagnosed depression

 

[cosifantutti]

VAD megathread (Voluntary Assisted Suicide)


Because there are too many single threads on this topic, I´m combining all threads into one new megathread for a better overview.

I have helped people with the VAD application for many years (free of charge) and know all the associations and how they work.


Currently existing VAD associations in Switzerland​

Dignitas http://www.dignitas.ch/?lang=en
Pegasos https://pegasos-association.com/
Exit (not Exit International) https://www.exit.ch/en/englisch/engagement-of-exit/our-end-of-life-care/
Ex-International http://www.exinternational.ch/
Eternal Spirit https://www.eternalspirit.ch/en/
Lifecircle https://www.lifecircle.ch/en/?no_cache=1
Verein Sterbehilfe https://www.sterbehilfe.de/

These associations accept applications from foreigners​

Dignitas
Pegasos in cooperation with Exit International*
Ex-International
Lifecircle
Eternal Spirit in cooperation with Lifecircle

Lifecircle is no longer accepting new members. So only VAD applications from existing members will be accepted.

* Pegasos cooperates with Exit International. Exit International offers a "Identification Assistance Program".
An Exit International member accompanies the person to the VAD appointment to identify the body after death. For this service Exit International charges CHF1.750,-. Furthermore Exit International helps you with the application. Also this service costs CHF1.750,-.

Currently existing VAD association in Germany​

Verein Sterbehilfe (For German citizen only. Office in Hamburg, Germany and Zuerich, Switzerland) https://www.sterbehilfe.de/

There are also independent suicide assistents in Germany.

Other European countries where assistet suicide is possible​

In these European countries, a doctor can prescribe a lethal drug if certain legal conditions are met:

Netherlands, Belgium Luxembourg, Austria, Spain

Requirements for Switzerland​

There are 3 cathegories:

1. completed life - no medical records required (because you are a healthy person at a certain age)
2. physical illness - medical records and exact dignosis required
3. mental illness - medical records and opinion of an independent Swiss psychiatrist required - very long process + higher costs - very low chance

Terminal illness does not mean you will die. It can be any physical illness that you suffer from.

Mental illness is very complex. You can have depression for years, but be mentally healthy enough to be judgmental.

For the VAD application you need​

- exact diagnosis - It´s not enough to name symptoms (e.g. my joints hurt, I can´t sleep, my stomache hurts...).
- medical records chronologically from the beginning until today
- laboratory results
- X-rays
- certificates
- records of previous therapies
- passport
- re-issued birth certificate, not older than 6 months
- a person who will accompany you to Switzerland to identify you after death
- CHF10.000,- + travel expenses + costs for psychiatrist in Switzerland / travel expenses (if applicable)
Ex-International: CHF8.500,- / Exit: Swiss citizen 50+ only, lower costs.


Questions:

Do you know the reason for your illness ?
Did something happen ?
Was there an accident ?
Why don't you feel good ?
What symptoms do you have ?
How does your illness affect your daily life?

Were previous therapies successful ?
Have the symptoms improved ?
Has the condition worsened ?
What is the prognosis according to the doctor ?
Are there further therapies available ?
Are there any therapies you have refused or could not pay for?
Are you able to work?

Write the answers to these questions in your application (if applicable).

If you are unsure whether your application would be accepted, email the association before you send in your application. When you send in the application, you have to pay the deposit !

Ask in a few words: I suffer from the diagnosis XXXXXXX (the exact diagnosis, not only symptoms !).

Could you please let me know if I would have a chance to be accepted for VAD in general ?

Do not write too much. Ask all your questions in one mail.

The answer you get is not an approval ! Your application can still be rejected !

Costs​

The VAD costs include:

processing of your application
costs for doctors and lawyers
costs for administration and staff
Pentobarbital
authorities
police
cremation
shipping of the urn worldwide

Before you decide to apply, ask yourself​

Have I read all the information on the websites of the 6 Swiss associations carefully and do I understand everything ?
Do I have a real chance to qualify ?
Do I have the money (minimum CHF10.000,-) ?
Can I afford to lose at least CHF1.500,- of the deposit if I get rejected ?
Would I be willing and able to travel to Switzerland for an expert opinion that would cost additional CHF1.000,-+ travel expenses?
Do I have all the required documents and medical records ?
Do I have someone to accompany me to identify me after death ?
Will I be able to travel to the VAD appointment ?



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Related threads:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/a-forum-for-discussing-the-swiss-option.127310/

Assisted suicide, VAD, Pegasos, Dignitas...

Just had a look at the Exit International website. Yearly membership means you can ask Exit to help with a VAD application to any Swiss organisation. You pay 1200USD on top of membership for this. Lifetime membership is necessary if you want somebody from Exit to identify you after death. You...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Information about end of life clinic

Hi all ...Is there anyone from Switzerland here ?

sanctioned-suicide.net

Suicide in Switzerland?

Just saw this story in the NYTimes this morning: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/obituaries/norah-vincent-dead.html?smid=tw-share Assisted suicide in Switzerland. This is a thing you can do for depression? I had no idea. Time to re-up that passport.

sanctioned-suicide.net

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/pegasos.121827/#post-2081192
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...o-accompany-me-to-pegasos.98739/#post-1714349
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/anyone-has-a-greenlight-from-swiss-vad.111730/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/lottery-system-to-support-swiss-vad.110426/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/vad-witness-for-switzerland-offers.105331/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/indentification-after-vad-in-switzerland.129836/

You mentioned that completed life meets the criteria for VAD. I can't find that in any of the literature I've read. Also, if that's the case what age is deemed acceptable?

 

[sserafim]

Completed life

I consider my life right now to be completed. Adulthood isn't a life, it's only survival.

 

[Kera]

Verein Sterbehilfe (For German citizen only. Office in Hamburg, Germany and Zuerich, Switzerland) https://www.sterbehilfe.de/


There are also independent suicide assistents in Germany.

@befree, do independent suicide assistents only help seriously ill people who are already dying?

 

[bluebirds]

As for pegasos they didn't even give me a chance if I gave them a severe mental health diagnosis and they're considered more open to take the harder, younger cases. I'm under 30

Hi @winterparty , do you mean that you have emailed pegasos with mental health diagnosis such as depression and they rejected ?
On their website they say that they do take applicants who suffer mental health illness and to my own knowledge things like : depression,anxiety, PTSD, schizophrenia,... should be considered mental illness, so why would they reject you?

Did they ask you for a consultation with a swiss doctor?

 

[winterparty]

They said that this wouldn't be sufficient in an email before I uploaded the diagnosis or anything. Maybe I should do it anyway

 

[Yakamoz]

It is voluntary assisted dying, not sucide

 

[RUPA]

copied from related thread:


If you don´t have the required medical records, lab tests...etc. you would have to get them in your country, not in Switzerland.


No, of course not. You or your health insurance would have to pay for it in your country. Please read "The VAD costs include" in the new megathread.


Both no. And there is not only Pegasos in Switzerland. You can find the list of all VAD associations in the new megathread.

You have to send the medical records of X rays, lab tests even when you do not have physical illness? And what is lab tests?
You have to go in person to Switzerland for an expert opinion(psychiatrist?)? I think I saw somewhere in SS that you don't have to travel and can do via online for that?

VAD megathread (Voluntary Assisted Suicide)


Because there are too many single threads on this topic, I´m combining all threads into one new megathread for a better overview.

I have helped people with the VAD application for many years (free of charge) and know all the associations and how they work.


Currently existing VAD associations in Switzerland​

Dignitas http://www.dignitas.ch/?lang=en
Pegasos https://pegasos-association.com/
Exit (not Exit International) https://www.exit.ch/en/englisch/engagement-of-exit/our-end-of-life-care/
Ex-International http://www.exinternational.ch/
Eternal Spirit https://www.eternalspirit.ch/en/
Lifecircle https://www.lifecircle.ch/en/?no_cache=1
Verein Sterbehilfe https://www.sterbehilfe.de/

These associations accept applications from foreigners​

Dignitas
Pegasos in cooperation with Exit International*
Ex-International
Lifecircle
Eternal Spirit in cooperation with Lifecircle

Lifecircle is no longer accepting new members. So only VAD applications from existing members will be accepted.

* Pegasos cooperates with Exit International. Exit International offers a "Identification Assistance Program".
An Exit International member accompanies the person to the VAD appointment to identify the body after death. For this service Exit International charges CHF1.750,-. Furthermore Exit International helps you with the application. Also this service costs CHF1.750,-.

Currently existing VAD association in Germany​

Verein Sterbehilfe (For German citizen only. Office in Hamburg, Germany and Zuerich, Switzerland) https://www.sterbehilfe.de/

There are also independent suicide assistents in Germany.

Other European countries where assistet suicide is possible​

In these European countries, a doctor can prescribe a lethal drug if certain legal conditions are met:

Netherlands, Belgium Luxembourg, Austria, Spain

Requirements for Switzerland​

There are 3 cathegories:

1. completed life - no medical records required (because you are a healthy person at a certain age)
2. physical illness - medical records and exact dignosis required
3. mental illness - medical records and opinion of an independent Swiss psychiatrist required - very long process + higher costs - very low chance

Terminal illness does not mean you will die. It can be any physical illness that you suffer from.

Mental illness is very complex. You can have depression for years, but be mentally healthy enough to be judgmental.

For the VAD application you need​

- exact diagnosis - It´s not enough to name symptoms (e.g. my joints hurt, I can´t sleep, my stomache hurts...).
- medical records chronologically from the beginning until today
- laboratory results
- X-rays
- certificates
- records of previous therapies
- passport
- re-issued birth certificate, not older than 6 months
- a person who will accompany you to Switzerland to identify you after death
- CHF10.000,- + travel expenses + costs for psychiatrist in Switzerland / travel expenses (if applicable)
Ex-International: CHF8.500,- / Exit: Swiss citizen 50+ only, lower costs.


Questions:

Do you know the reason for your illness ?
Did something happen ?
Was there an accident ?
Why don't you feel good ?
What symptoms do you have ?
How does your illness affect your daily life?

Were previous therapies successful ?
Have the symptoms improved ?
Has the condition worsened ?
What is the prognosis according to the doctor ?
Are there further therapies available ?
Are there any therapies you have refused or could not pay for?
Are you able to work?

Write the answers to these questions in your application (if applicable).

If you are unsure whether your application would be accepted, email the association before you send in your application. When you send in the application, you have to pay the deposit !

Ask in a few words: I suffer from the diagnosis XXXXXXX (the exact diagnosis, not only symptoms !).

Could you please let me know if I would have a chance to be accepted for VAD in general ?

Do not write too much. Ask all your questions in one mail.

The answer you get is not an approval ! Your application can still be rejected !

Costs​

The VAD costs include:

processing of your application
costs for doctors and lawyers
costs for administration and staff
Pentobarbital
authorities
police
cremation
shipping of the urn worldwide

Before you decide to apply, ask yourself​

Have I read all the information on the websites of the 6 Swiss associations carefully and do I understand everything ?
Do I have a real chance to qualify ?
Do I have the money (minimum CHF10.000,-) ?
Can I afford to lose at least CHF1.500,- of the deposit if I get rejected ?
Would I be willing and able to travel to Switzerland for an expert opinion that would cost additional CHF1.000,-+ travel expenses?
Do I have all the required documents and medical records ?
Do I have someone to accompany me to identify me after death ?
Will I be able to travel to the VAD appointment ?



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Related threads:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/a-forum-for-discussing-the-swiss-option.127310/

Assisted suicide, VAD, Pegasos, Dignitas...

Just had a look at the Exit International website. Yearly membership means you can ask Exit to help with a VAD application to any Swiss organisation. You pay 1200USD on top of membership for this. Lifetime membership is necessary if you want somebody from Exit to identify you after death. You...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Information about end of life clinic

Hi all ...Is there anyone from Switzerland here ?

sanctioned-suicide.net

Suicide in Switzerland?

Just saw this story in the NYTimes this morning: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/obituaries/norah-vincent-dead.html?smid=tw-share Assisted suicide in Switzerland. This is a thing you can do for depression? I had no idea. Time to re-up that passport.

sanctioned-suicide.net

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/pegasos.121827/#post-2081192
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...o-accompany-me-to-pegasos.98739/#post-1714349
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/anyone-has-a-greenlight-from-swiss-vad.111730/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/lottery-system-to-support-swiss-vad.110426/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/vad-witness-for-switzerland-offers.105331/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/indentification-after-vad-in-switzerland.129836/

So sad. Did you leave SS for good?

 

[winterparty]

So Pegasos wouldn't accept anything that's mental health related which is fucked up but I will try Verein Sterbehilfe for that. They're from Hamburg, Germany. Maybe they can recommend me someone or they accept my mental health diagnosis.

 

[bluebirds]

So Pegasos wouldn't accept anything that's mental health related which is fucked up but I will try Verein Sterbehilfe for that. They're from Hamburg, Germany. Maybe they can recommend me someone or they accept my mental health diagnosis.

Does Verein Sterbehilfe use IV Nembutal ?

Do they accept Foreigners ??

 

[winterparty]

As I understand it in germany you use thiopental as PB isn't accepted for human medicine. 2. I will look into it

 

[winterparty]

Blick über die Grenzen - DGHS - Deutsche Gesellschaft für Humanes Sterben e.V.

SELBSTBESTIMMT Leben. SELBSTBESTIMMT Sterben.

www.dghs.de

You just have to translate it I guess