This site has been made public again and I don’t think it’s the right decision at all.

[Tricondyla ledouxi]

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[HerculePoirot]

Please elaborate.

 

[HopelessSoul]

Agreed, having the suicide discussion section private and the others public seemed like a good balance, I think its an unnecessary risk considering everything that has
been going on the last few months

 

[resolutory]

Can someone please clarify, because I'm not really sure, what exactly does it mean when the site is made either private or public? Private means it doesn't show up in search results, right? Is there more to it? Would appreciate if someone could elaborate on each state. :)

 

[valkyrie]

Ahh yeah it is a little worrying. I don't think the storm has passed enough for it to be good to make it public again. I understand that a lot of people will get use from the resources/lurking and be uncomfortable registering for whatever reason so there are some pros, but generally it being private was good for providing a barrier for interlopers and minors.

 

[rationaltake]

Can someone please clarify, because I'm not really sure, what exactly does it mean when the site is made either private or public? Private means it doesn't show up in search results, right? Is there more to it? Would appreciate if someone could elaborate on each state. :)

Public means that anyone can access the site without logging in. Recently the Suicide Section was made private and only members could access it once they logged in. The Members Information Centre is always private.

 

[Kurushii]

I'm sure the site being private refers to certain or all sections being available to members only, and not to guests. In this case the Suicide Discussion was made private so guests could not see this part. If guests need an account to access information they need, then they'll probably make an account. I think they made it public again because it's a lot of work for the moderators to go through and accept/decline all the new accounts being created. I'm not completely sure though and if I'm wrong please correct me.

 

[resolutory]

Public means that anyone can access the site without logging in. Recently the Suicide Section was made private and only members could access it once they logged in. The Members Information Centre is always private.

But they have to make an account to actually access the contents of the site, right? It's been a few months but I think that's what I had to do. Actually then again I might be misremembering.

 

[rationaltake]

But they have to make an account to actually access the contents of the site, right? It's been a few months but I think that's what I had to do. Actually then again I might be misremembering.

Try having a look at what you can access without logging in. That should make it clearer.

 

[HerculePoirot]

Actually I hadn't noticed the change. I agree with hopelesssoul and others, the previous balance was preferable. The site should not be hidden, but its specific ctb resources should only be available to registered members, not younger than 18. Also, those specific contents should not be indexed by the search engines.

 

[FuneralCry]

I don't understand what the point of this thread is, I don't get why this matters to any of us and anyway people should be able to access suicide method information without the bother of creating an account. Some people are really suffering and just want to find ways to die and they have no need or want to further use the site so they should be able to easily access what they wish for to reduce the chance of them suffering more from a failed attempt and it's nothing to do with any of us.

 

[ThomasJ]

I don't understand what the point of this thread is, I don't get why this matters to any of us and anyway people should be able to access suicide method information without the bother of creating an account. Some people are really suffering and just want to find ways to die and they have no need or want to further use the site so they should be able to easily access what they wish for to reduce the chance of them suffering more from a failed attempt and it's nothing to do with any of us.

the difference is that now every random young teen that comes across this site can access detailed instruction. Before, this site at least made a token attempt to prevent this, but with he instructions being public, you can't even claim that anymore. Do you really want some random 13 year old stumbling across some SN guide? Can you take responsibility for that? If you can put up at least a tiny barrier, is it not your duty to do at least that?

You can not in good faith tell me that the decision to end your own life should be in the hands of a minor. No matter how pro-ctb you are, that's an insane position. Whether or not you believe that are situations in which suicide is a rational and correct option, that's an insane position. Children don't have the capacity to make an informed decision on the option of ending their lives. They barely know what life is yet, they're children. Heck, even 18 year olds being on here is more than questionable, given what we know about brain-development during adolescence.

The grittier parts of this community ought to be private. I think everyone who believes otherwise has lost their minds. If an adult wants to access the info and make an account, they can do that and get verified. Having it all out in the open is fucked up.

 

[FuneralCry]

Suicide is actually very difficult, at least to me and I believe that therefore somebody will only go through with suicide if that is something that they very much want. One has to plan their method, do research and overcome the survival instinct in order to die, so therefore there is nothing wrong with allowing people access to method information. It's giving people a choice. People on here should stop pretending that suicide is easy, as if it was believe me I would be long gone and anyway nobody is forced to come on this site and nobody is forced to die.

There is nothing insane about not wanting to force people to suffer against their wishes, existence isn't an obligation despite what pro suffering people think. It's incredibly cruel to want to prolong someone else's torment and I personally wish that I died at a much younger age. I was perfectly capable of making decisions when I was a teenager and in fact it's insulting when people continue to invalidate this. If people are unable to access method information or have to struggle a great deal to access it then they will likely just attempt a very risky method like cutting or overdosing which will just cause them to suffer more. No matter what people say the right to die is a human right. Nobody should have to continue enduring an existence that they never asked for just because some people value life.

 

[ThomasJ]

Suicide is actually very difficult, at least to me and I believe that therefore somebody will only go through with suicide if that is something that they very much want. One has to plan their method, do research and overcome the survival instinct in order to die, so therefore there is nothing wrong with allowing people access to method information. It's giving people a choice. People on here should stop pretending that suicide is easy, as if it was believe me I would be long gone and anyway nobody is forced to come on this site and nobody is forced to die.

There is nothing insane about not wanting to force people to suffer against their wishes, existence isn't an obligation despite what pro suffering people think. It's incredibly cruel to want to prolong someone else's torment and I personally wish that I died at a much younger age. I was perfectly capable of making decisions when I was a teenager and in fact it's insulting when people continue to invalidate this. If people are unable to access method information or have to struggle a great deal to access it then they will likely just attempt a very risky method like cutting or overdosing which will just cause them to suffer more. No matter what people say the right to die is a human right. Nobody should have to continue enduring an existence that they never asked for just because some people value life.

I obviously see where you're coming from with letting people have the right to choose, and I agree that this is what this space is about. But there's a reason why we don't treat children like adults and let them have free reign over their lives. Children are not stupid, but they still have a lot to learn. I very much doubt that you'd support policies where 14 year olds can decide to join the army, can have sex with adults, can get married, can start doing hard drugs, can drive a car by themselves or can join the labor force as adults do.

There are simply decisions and consequences to said decisions that a teenage mind isn't yet ready for. Acknowledging that is not condescending and invalidating, it's just reality. And I can not think of a more serious decision than the one that concerns the termination of your own existence. This is a decision that is not up to the mind of a child to decide.

The difference between the mind of a child and the mind of an adult is astronomical, and not just because of the insurmountable gap in experience. Having empathy for the plight of the Suffering is great, but it can never be at the expense of those that are not ready to decide for themselves. Only because your decision back when you were a teen looks similar to your decision today, doesn't mean that you were in fact ready back then.

 

[EndlessDream]

Suicide is actually very difficult, at least to me and I believe that therefore somebody will only go through with suicide if that is something that they very much want. One has to plan their method, do research and overcome the survival instinct in order to die, so therefore there is nothing wrong with allowing people access to method information. It's giving people a choice. People on here should stop pretending that suicide is easy, as if it was believe me I would be long gone and anyway nobody is forced to come on this site and nobody is forced to die.

There is nothing insane about not wanting to force people to suffer against their wishes, existence isn't an obligation despite what pro suffering people think. It's incredibly cruel to want to prolong someone else's torment and I personally wish that I died at a much younger age. I was perfectly capable of making decisions when I was a teenager and in fact it's insulting when people continue to invalidate this. If people are unable to access method information or have to struggle a great deal to access it then they will likely just attempt a very risky method like cutting or overdosing which will just cause them to suffer more. No matter what people say the right to die is a human right. Nobody should have to continue enduring an existence that they never asked for just because some people value life.

I find suicide is hard because things like SN are becoming increasingly regulated specifically because people are CTBing with it. It is hard to balance having the information available to both CTBer and pro-lifers. I'm concerned that this site will be taken down once there's enough litigation and it'll be available only on the dark web. This is a few months or few years down the line. I hope for this site to be as accessible as possible, but prolifers are high on the "miracles of life" or whatever BS they have to say

I think this is one of the few golden months or years because CTBing will become even harder and I'm taking advantage of it. I'm terribly terrified of increasing regulation and litigation of discussing suicide on the open web.

This is one of the last slices of freedom on the internet and it will soon disappear. I will hopefully be gone before the world becomes shittier and shittier from increasing surveillance, censorship and corporatisation. The future of humans are doomed and we are starting to live in a cyberpunk dystopia.