Things That Should Be Tried Prior to Considering a Suicide Attempt

[nogods4me]

DBT is bogus.

 

[sambabawee]

@needthebus Thank you so much for this, I can see how much work and effort you put into this. I do agree that this should be posted here and ill even go beyond saying that this should be in the terms and conditions for joining.
Overall great advice, I thought I had done everything but I guess there are few more things that could be explored.

 

[conflagration]

I would add: try religion as form of authotherapy. Some people were literally saved from suicide by doing this.

 

[Dot]

@needthebus Thank you so much for this, I can see how much work and effort you put into this. I do agree that this should be posted here and ill even go beyond saying that this should be in the terms and conditions for joining.
Overall great advice, I thought I had done everything but I guess there are few more things that could be explored.

Chck out th/ recvry threds also - thre mny dffrnt therpy approachs etc thre alng wth spport grps & evn usng thngs lke animls

 

[needthebus]

DBT is bogus.

it may be

from what i heard there were decent studies showing it was more effective for helping people who were borderline or had emotional dysregulation, but it's hard to know if those studies were well done

i'm very cynical of therapy and the mental health industry in general which is why anything involving giving money to the mental health industry made up a very small part of the list. dbt is very expensive, and, as i said before, if someone can't afford something on the list, they can cross it off

@nogods4me, since i'm a depressed atheist, and you're tired of gods, can i borrow the gods you have until i feel better? i'll accept any gods as long as they come in a discount bundled deal and aren't christianity.

 

[slowdance]

As someone who has a registered dietician/ghost living in my brain at all times, I also find your post very insulting and inaccurate. Where did you even get your so-called "information"?

Recommending fad diets is akin to any other pseudoscience. Homeopathy and scientology are fair comparisons. Your ghost needs their license taken away.

Ditch the Gluten, Improve Your Health? - Harvard Health

...

www.health.harvard.edu

Should you try the keto diet? - Harvard Health

It's advertised as a weight-loss wonder, but this eating plan is actually a medical diet that comes with serious risks. In the world of weight-loss diets, low-carbohydrate, high-protein eating plan...

www.health.harvard.edu

The importance of vitamin B12 for individuals choosing plant-based diets - PMC

Vitamin B12 is an essential nutrient that is not made by plants; consequently, unfortified plant-based foods are not a reliable supply. Recent estimates suggest high rates of vitamin B12 deficiency among the vegetarian and vegan populations, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

Then life is not worth living, it's my reality and my vision. If you need to cope, if you need drugs, if you need sex, life wasn't worth living in the first place, at least for me, again it's MY vision of life, not pushing it on anyone. And I've had friends and family trying to say that I'm having some kind of moral high ground, LOL, come take my place then and die in the upcoming year if you really think it's so cool and pisses you off. I just wish to not exist anymore, I wish I never did , I'm the kind of guy who declines the terms and conditions then gets plunged into the game and forced to play it.

Edit: and yes it's basically an impossible to defeat point and an impossible to fulfill life but hey, I'm not forcing it on anyone , am I? I'm giving myself that treatment, if some others might consider it unhinged or stupid, they can for all I care, I think they are the ones who are stupid , I am not really the kind of person who wants others help anyways, too many strings attached.

 

[needthebus]

Recommending fad diets is akin to any other pseudoscience. Homeopathy and scientology are fair comparisons. Your ghost needs their license taken away.

Ditch the Gluten, Improve Your Health? - Harvard Health

...

www.health.harvard.edu

Should you try the keto diet? - Harvard Health

It's advertised as a weight-loss wonder, but this eating plan is actually a medical diet that comes with serious risks. In the world of weight-loss diets, low-carbohydrate, high-protein eating plan...

www.health.harvard.edu

The importance of vitamin B12 for individuals choosing plant-based diets - PMC

Vitamin B12 is an essential nutrient that is not made by plants; consequently, unfortified plant-based foods are not a reliable supply. Recent estimates suggest high rates of vitamin B12 deficiency among the vegetarian and vegan populations, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

the ghost/dietician living in my brain says harvard health isn't a real peer-reviewed journal and it's only a matter of time before elon musk destroys pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov, and therefore none of your claims have any validity, it also says you should try scientology, pharmakology, and homeopathy.

 

[yowai]

I'd add drugs to the list lol, if all else fails there's substances that will force your brain to feel amazing even if only for a short while, doesn't really matter if they ruin your life when it's already shit and you want to end it anyway

 

[needthebus]

I'd add drugs to the list lol, if all else fails there's substances that will force your brain to feel amazing even if only for a short while, doesn't really matter if they ruin your life when it's already shit and you want to end it anyway

the only thing about that is some people would become full on-drug addicts and may prefer suicide over that. i get the concept, i'm just not sure everyone would make that choice (happy but addicted to hard-core drugs with extreme cravings and need for stealing prostitution etc to fund habit vs. death)

 

[yowai]

the only thing about that is some people would become full on-drug addicts and may prefer suicide over that. i get the concept, i'm just not sure everyone would make that choice (happy but addicted to hard-core drugs with extreme cravings and need for stealing prostitution etc to fund habit vs. death)

I know Im in full blown relapse so I may romanticize it a little and forget my worst moments, but before addiction when I wanted to ctb I thought I at least would like to try drugs before dying to get a glimpse of what it's like to be happy lol. Also I remember reading someone's comment under a video about heroin addiction who said heroin saved their life when they were close to ending it, and that after hitting rock bottom with it they somehow managed to get back on their feet and appreciate being alive again
Obviously hard drugs is an absolute last resort though

 

[theboy]

I don't agree with you "deciding" who can or cannot be in this forum

 

[needthebus]

I don't agree with you "deciding" who can or cannot be in this forum.

The gate-keeping posts about "deciding" were supposed to be clearly sarcastic.

I'm not a mod and have no power.

This is a suggestion not about being on the forum, but about considering making a serious attempt and stuff to consider prior to considering that. Someone could be 18 and on the forum, literally try each thing while on the forum, and still be on the forum at 22 going "(venting) did the whole fucking list and still want to die" Nowhere in the list was a request to leave the forum.

 

[nogods4me]

it may be

from what i heard there were decent studies showing it was more effective for helping people who were borderline or had emotional dysregulation, but it's hard to know if those studies were well done

i'm very cynical of therapy and the mental health industry in general which is why anything involving giving money to the mental health industry made up a very small part of the list. dbt is very expensive, and, as i said before, if someone can't afford something on the list, they can cross it off

@nogods4me, since i'm a depressed atheist, and you're tired of gods, can i borrow the gods you have until i feel better? i'll accept any gods as long as they come in a discount bundled deal and aren't christianity.

Please...take them all lol. And keep in mind there is a hard NO RETURN POLICY !

 

[needthebus]

Please...take them all lol. And keep in mind there is a hard NO RETURN POLICY !

but what if i it doesn't fit or it's the wrong material?

 

[nogods4me]

but what if i it doesn't fit or it's the wrong material?

They're sold "As is"...so you will just have to find out whether it fits or not when it is too late. Besides, all the materials are somewhat suffocating, one might even say sadistic.

 

[needthebus]

They're sold "As is"...so you will just have to find out whether it fits or not when it is too late. Besides, all the materials are somewhat suffocating, one might even say sadistic.

What if I'm into that?

 

[Young.Werther]

Well, I'm officially the most hated SaSu member now.

Well there are always the journalists and whatnot who are actively here trying to get the place shut down so I don't think you quite get that award.

Thanks for taking the time to try and make a considered argument. I don't fully agree with you but I'd like to try and be civil about this. I do think that ctb should be carefully considered, not the impulsive act that it sometimes is. That being said, I don't think you're fully thinking about the situation correctly. I buy that for some people things can/will improve. I guess the question is this: at what cost?

Suppose for a moment that at some point in the future, you will be "better." That doesn't mean that between now and then there might not be terrible costs. Some people will look at this and decide that the costs in the interim, between now and "better" are not worth it. Your argument seems to hinge on the possibility of recovery, but I don't think that's sufficient reason to continue on its own. Doing the things you suggest has a cost; some have pointed out the financial costs, but there are substantial non-financial costs as well. If each day is a burden and causes you pain, then you may very well decide to skip out on the pain and I think that's a very personal decision which is really up to the individual.

As an analogy (since people seem to understand non-mental illness better), suppose you were speaking to a cancer patient. There is a possibility that in a few years some miracle treatment will come out and put the patient in remission for good (the "better"). That does not currently exist, so what can you do? You can sign up for clinical trials trying out experimental chemotherapy cocktails and whatnot. This is a grueling process and it is unpleasant to say the least. I mean, chemo is literally poison; it's designed to kill (cancerous) cells but it is poison at the end of the day. So you go along and to have this chance of stumbling upon a miracle drug, you need to continuously poison yourself and put yourself in agony to keep the cancer at bay. At this point, some people would just say: I don't want the chemo anymore, let's just do hospice. Others would stick it out. I don't think either is a bad decision per se, but it's reallly an individual preference thing.

And so that's the thing, trying the things you suggest is taking the chemo. It inflicts costs on the individual, and maybe there is a payoff down the road, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's worth it. I think people know themselves best. If they've thought through their options and concluded that ctb is the best option, they know themselves and their situation better than I do.

 

[reinaria]

I don't want to do those things.I don't want to live simple as that

 

[RainyDaysGrapefruit]

Even if the wording is rather bad in certain parts, I can respect the work put into such a post.

 

[needthebus]

don't try to come at me with your sensible arguments looking at things from a slightly different perspective. who do you think u is?

As an analogy (since people seem to understand non-mental illness better), suppose you were speaking to a cancer patient. There is a possibility that in a few years some miracle treatment will come out and put the patient in remission for good (the "better"). That does not currently exist, so what can you do? You can sign up for clinical trials trying out experimental chemotherapy cocktails and whatnot. This is a grueling process and it is unpleasant to say the least. I mean, chemo is literally poison; it's designed to kill (cancerous) cells but it is poison at the end of the day. So you go along and to have this chance of stumbling upon a miracle drug, you need to continuously poison yourself and put yourself in agony to keep the cancer at bay. At this point, some people would just say: I don't want the chemo anymore, let's just do hospice. Others would stick it out. I don't think either is a bad decision per se, but it's reallly an individual preference thing.

And so that's the thing, trying the things you suggest is taking the chemo. It inflicts costs on the individual, and maybe there is a payoff down the road, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's worth it. I think people know themselves best. If they've thought through their options and concluded that ctb is the best option, they know themselves and their situation better than I do.