The number of people in this forum who are on the edge of suicide because of Trump's victory is frightening

[noname223]

I think there would not be as many threads if Kamala won. Just saying.

Because it is to this point a part of suicide discussion I will post it here.

I can understand why people turn suicidal because of this. But I would try to wait whether it actually gets that bad. But that is easy for me to say coming from Germany.

 

[Thisisnotaname]

Maybe less than you expect.
How much % are american ? Idk

 

[NoPoint2Life]

Couldn't agree more with OP.
While I definitely don't think this should be the only reason somebody wants to ctb I understand how it can feel like the final straw for many people. And it's heartbreaking to see .

 

[Sunü (素女)]

I also worry about the impulsive suicides of people especially to people outside this forum. I don't quite know how much it'll be. I just fear that the collective loss of hope would be too much for people, however exaggerated or real they may be. I hope those people at risk are in stable positions, but I have a feeling those that are at risk are likely the ones more vulnerable because of their already-present stigma, affecting social life and possibly their own thoughts too.

I hope people reach out and support each other.

 

[Downdraft]

I think there would not be as many threads if Kamala won. Just saying.

No you see, the perception of others doesn't matter because is us white knights vs people who exclusively vote to torture for pleasure.

The worst part if if you try to make the people feel a little better you get called all kind of names, I'm so done supporting people of the forum. If you wanna feel despair, do it, but leave me the hell out of your blame.

BTW - OP is a Harris supporter. What's your excuse against him? Is him "not a true Democrat"? Lmao.

 

[noname223]

No you see, the perception of others doesn't matter because is us white knights vs people who exclusively vote to torture for pleasure.

However, there are many very poor, homeless or trans people in this forum. And we all know how a Trump government will treat them. I can understand why they are very concerned.

 

[JR_Timm]

I`m not from USA but also from a country that is divided in a very similar way by the two openly hostile "tribes" so I know how bad it feels when "other side" rips your country away from you. But my USA friends, don't overestimate the orange man, he may trip on his own foots.

 

[noname223]

No you see, the perception of others doesn't matter because is us white knights vs people who exclusively vote to torture for pleasure.

The worst part if if you try to make the people feel a little better you get called all kind of names, I'm so done supporting people of the forum. If you wanna feel despair, do it, but leave me the hell out of your blame.

BTW - OP is a Harris supporter. What's your excuse against him? Is him "not a true Democrat"? Lmao.

"BTW - OP is a Harris supporter. What's your excuse against him? Is him "not a true Democrat"? Lmao."

I don't understand this sentence. Is this a question for me? Do you want to allude that I think Trump was not a true Democrat? Well Trump won the election. He probably even won the popular vote. I am a little bit confused he is not talking about all the voting fraud that he alluded to prior to the election. The majority of Americans wants him as a president. I just wonder what it says about this new president if so many trans and poor people want to ctb because of his victory.

 

[pariah80]

I wouldn't say that the election is THE reason a lot of people are. I would say, for a lot of people, it's just more validation to ctb. The world we grew up knowing is gone. It's kind of heartbreaking to watch people try to carry on, as if there's a viable future to strive toward. There isn't. You can call that negativity or pessimism, but I see where the world is trying to go. I don't want to go with it. I think some others feel similar. It feels almost like the world is entering 'phase two' to whatever COVID was 'phase one' of. And that's not a good world to be in. I'm not sure pro-lifers and blind optimists understand what's coming.

I can't blame them. Personally, I think it's kind of dumb to stick around to 'see if it gets bad.' It's already bad for a lot of people. The election is just validating to me that this life is in the toilet, and people like George Carlin are looking more like prophets and sages than comedians and writers. A lot of people can see the end point of everything. There's looking on the bright side, then there's lying to yourself. Personally, I can't see a future worth staying for, even if things do kind of 'get better.' Firstly, what would 'get better' even look like in the coming world? Well, the world that's pretty much here? What kind of manufactured sunshine could be blown up someone's ass?

Food supplies are diminishing. Water reserves are exhausted. Humans are regressing. The elections just validated why life is, at this point, bankrupt of any magic and value it had. It's one thing to struggle when there are real possibilities to come back into the light. Quite another when there is no light to come back to. This isn't a movie. This isn't a book. Life sucks, and the elections are just further proof of that.

 

[Downdraft]

"BTW - OP is a Harris supporter. What's your excuse against him? Is him "not a true Democrat"? Lmao."

I don't understand this sentence. Is this a question for me? Do you want to allude that I think Trump was not a true Democrat? Well Trump won the election. He probably even won the popular vote. I am a little bit confused he is not talking about all the voting fraud that he alluded to prior to the election. The majority of Americans wants him as a president. I just wonder what it says about this new president if so many trans and poor people want to ctb because of his victory.

It was for other users. Someone would probably attack you for not being left enough or some insane shit.

 

[pariah80]

But my USA friends, don't overestimate the orange man, he may trip on his own foots.

Possible. Unfortunately, this time around he has a ton of competent help around him.

 

[Downdraft]

The world we grew up knowing is gone.

The world they grew up knowing has been progressively dying for multiple reasons.

Attaching them all to a sole person is, literally, a waste of a reason to die.

People didn't need an excuse to die for a long time. It suddenly being that important now raises huge concerns.

 

[pariah80]

The world they grew up knowing has been progressively dying for multiple reasons.

Attaching them all to a sole person is, literally, a waste of a reason to die.

People didn't need an excuse to die for a long time. It suddenly being that important now raises huge concerns.

Again, I'm not saying that 45/47 is the reason some people are going to do it. A few? Perhaps. However, his election back to office only validates what I (personally) see as a shift happening in history right now. And not towards the better. Over time, perhaps things will get better. However, I've read all of Project 2025. Now that this dude's in power, it's not looking good for the majority of the country. Not even his supporters. His election just validates that things have gone into the toilet. Humanity, itself, is regressed enough for him to hold power. That validation is more the catalyst for people dying. And no one can judge 'a reason to die.' That's no one's right.

 

[ThisIsMe1357]

Things can get very impulsive very quickly. I would not do anything at this point regardless of influx of emotions. Just as an example, no one yet knows who is going to win the House of Representatives and by how much. That is a major point which can decide what and to what extent Trump will be able to achieve.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I wouldn't say that the election is THE reason a lot of people are. I would say, for a lot of people, it's just more validation to ctb. The world we grew up knowing is gone. It's kind of heartbreaking to watch people try to carry on, as if there's a viable future to strive toward. There isn't. You can call that negativity or pessimism, but I see where the world is trying to go. I don't want to go with it. I think some others feel similar. It feels almost like the world is entering 'phase two' to whatever COVID was 'phase one' of. And that's not a good world to be in. I'm not sure pro-lifers and blind optimists understand what's coming.

I can't blame them. Personally, I think it's kind of dumb to stick around to 'see if it gets bad.' It's already bad for a lot of people. The election is just validating to me that this life is in the toilet, and people like George Carlin are looking more like prophets and sages than comedians and writers. A lot of people can see the end point of everything. There's looking on the bright side, then there's lying to yourself. Personally, I can't see a future worth staying for, even if things do kind of 'get better.' Firstly, what would 'get better' even look like in the coming world? Well, the world that's pretty much here? What kind of manufactured sunshine could be blown up someone's ass?

Food supplies are diminishing. Water reserves are exhausted. Humans are regressing. The elections just validated why life is, at this point, bankrupt of any magic and value it had. It's one thing to struggle when there are real possibilities to come back into the light. Quite another when there is no light to come back to. This isn't a movie. This isn't a book. Life sucks, and the elections are just further proof of that.

I'm shocked at how it took an election for people to realise how shitty and corrupt humanity is. Of course this election does prove that, I'm not denying that at all, but my point is that there were a myriad of things that proves how shitty humanity is way before this election was even a thing and there will always be a myriad of things even far after the election has been done. All it takes to understand how shitty humanity is to merely observe your surroundings. Even if trump didn't win, there's still a lot of corrupt and shitty things about humanity.

Though, actually, now that I think about it, I feel like using the word "corrupt" is wrong because it implies that this isn't humanity's true nature and that something forced humanity to be like this? I personally don't think that this is corruption per se as that implies there was a prior "non corrupted" state that humans have which I just don't agree with. Make no mistake, humans were never nice and kind, they're all self serving and only care about themselves and their loved ones.

As for the OP itself, I agree, it truly is frightening at the influx of threads regarding this. It caught me off guard and unfortunately humans are, well, cruel

 

[whywere]

I just got back to my home area after being in Washington D.C. for business from 11.01 till11.06.

Now with that stated, when I got to my hotel in central D.C. area, they were boarding up store fronts in case of riots I pretty much can guess why in case a certain orange faced person lost the U.S. elections.

I have lived my entire live in the U.S. and I would NEVER EVER vote for a want to be dictator.

My side came to the U.S. from Germany after WW2 AND some of my past family way before me, were in Hitlers government and all the horrifying stories I was told chilled me to my bones.

All I can say is that for everyone who voted for orange face, now you have 4 years to live it, hopefully orange face does NOT try and throw away democracy, but whatever happens, I can say that I did NOT vote or want orange face and to those that did live with it now.

It was so sad to see so much of the retail boarded up in D.C. and cops on almost every street just in case, so sad.

I was there and lived it and I hope and pray that the light of democracy does NOT go out ever.

Walter

 

[Whale_bones]

What if we let people who are heavily impacted by Trump's policies discuss that, and if it doesn't affect you, instead of adding more comments and threads about how "it's not that bad"... just don't comment? I see tons of threads on SS about things that I can't relate to, where someone's expressing that a particular topic is contributing to their suicidality.

I simply move on and don't comment on those. This is the suicide section of the forum, and there's no potential for my comments to be helpful in those cases. Either I don't have enough understanding of the topic to comment, or I fundamentally disagree with them.

Either way, making comments and threads about other members' will to CTB has no chance to be helpful to anyone, and it's likely to be invalidating and aggravating to the people who are expressing that their suicidality is increased because of that topic.

(This is not directed specifically at OP, rather a general response to the threads and comments of this type)

 

[opheliaoveragain]

Thread 'USA election - a note from staff'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/usa-election-a-note-from-staff.185146/


the reasons why are clearly laid out. similar to me, I don't think it's purely just the election. more a straw that broke the camels back, as others have said.

a lot of us are worried about valid things that are almost certain to happen. no argument or dog piling is going to change that.

 

[Spike Spiegel]

hey noname. As normal ,quality post. American here. Also an American attending a very liberal private university. Sadly a lot of people have been fear mongered into assuming the worst at basically all times. I think there are a lot of knee jerk emotional responses on here. Perhaps this is the place for that perhaps it is not. However I will say one thing. Most people who fear the absolute worst, usually are deep within their echo chamber. The notion that if you disagree with me you are wrong has hurt the American political system very badly. Thankfully among the majority of people I have seen people start to realize that unity is more important then claiming moral high ground and telling the other person they are wrong and need to deal with it.

What if we let people who are heavily impacted by Trump's policies discuss that, and if it doesn't affect you, instead of adding more comments and threads about how "it's not that bad"... just don't comment? I see tons of threads on SS about things that I can't relate to, where someone's expressing that a particular topic is contributing to their suicidality.

I simply move on and don't comment on those. This is the suicide section of the forum, and there's no potential for my comments to be helpful in those cases. Either I don't have enough understanding of the topic to comment, or I fundamentally disagree with them.

Either way, making comments and threads about other members' will to CTB has no chance to be helpful to anyone, and it's likely to be invalidating and aggravating to the people who are expressing that their suicidality is increased because of that topic.

(This is not directed specifically at OP, rather a general response to the threads and comments of this type)

diversity of thought even on a suicide forum is important. Hence why its a forum. There are plenty of options on here to make private chatrooms for like minded people. Public posts are well just that. Public.

 

[pariah80]

I'm shocked at how it took an election for people to realise how shitty and corrupt humanity is. Of course this election does prove that, I'm not denying that at all, but my point is that there were a myriad of things that proves how shitty humanity is way before this election was even a thing and there will always be a myriad of things even far after the election has been done. All it takes to understand how shitty humanity is to merely observe your surroundings. Even if trump didn't win, there's still a lot of corrupt and shitty things about humanity.

Though, actually, now that I think about it, I feel like using the word "corrupt" is wrong because it implies that this isn't humanity's true nature and that something forced humanity to be like this? I personally don't think that this is corruption per se as that implies there was a prior "non corrupted" state that humans have which I just don't agree with. Make no mistake, humans were never nice and kind, they're all self serving and only care about themselves and their loved ones.

As for the OP itself, I agree, it truly is frightening at the influx of threads regarding this. It caught me off guard and unfortunately humans are, well, cruel

No, I agree. However, people tend to only realize things when their concrete circumstances are threatened.

 

[CannotAnymore]

I think that many people on here (myself included) are very empathetic people who care deeply. I genuinely cannot imagine that THAT many people voted for him despite ALL the things about him. In my case it was hope that things were going to get better, it was an idea that there would be change and then the realization that so many people are pretending. For me, I am terrified... like genuinely terrified of what is to come.
It's not the reason why I want to ctb but it certainly influences my desire to try again.

 

[LostSoul1965]

I think there would not be as many threads if Kamala won. Just saying.

Because it is to this point a part of suicide discussion I will post it here.

I can understand why people turn suicidal because of this. But I would try to wait whether it actually gets that bad. But that is easy for me to say coming from Germany.

It's alot of self pity and fear mongering about perceived situations that haven't even happened yet.

 

[Douggy82]

I could see transgenders or illegal immigrants being worried. Most of Trump's policies are good for average Americans though.

If you really don't like Trump, look at his 2016 campaign > presidency. He didn't keep any of his top 10 promises to voters. ALL politcians spew lies in election season. Most of them don't wind up doing do half the stuff they promised.

Obama came in with supermajorities in both houses. He spent the whole election promising immigration reform, then he did nothing when he got power. Politicians lie to get power. It's what they do. Both parties are filled with bs artists.

Trump won't be as good or bad as you think he will.....certainly not a reason to CTB.

 

[NoPoint2Life]

Make no mistake, humans were never nice and kind, they're all self serving and only care about themselves and their loved ones.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. Yes, many humans are like that. I always say in general people suck lol.
But as you are a member of this community, i am sure you can see just by looking around here that people do in fact, care about others . I think this forum alone shows the good side of people. I am always kind of amazed when I see people on here struggling so much who go out of their way to offer support to others.
I guess ironically joining a suicide forum made me see that good in some people can exist.

 

[folly_]

i think this isnt the entire reason many people want to ctb but as others have said it might be the last straw for some. more than the fact that he was elected; it scares me how many people out there support him and his ideas. a lot of things are going to get worse for a lot of people not just because of trump directly, but because he enables the oppressors. i dont understand people saying no one has anything to worry about. it makes me fear that ignorance will lead to more and more abuse

still its probably true people will be making impulsive decisions based on things that may not/probably wont happen. even in a great headspace its hard to sort through all the possibilities of where the US could go next, and i think most people here arent in a great headspace (honestly myself included there). my only hope right now is that the worst doesnt come to worst

 

[JoeFailure]

I don't think it's Trump himself, I think it's what so many of his supporters represent

I could see transgenders or illegal immigrants being worried. Most of Trump's policies are good for average Americans though.

If you really don't like Trump, look at his 2016 campaign > presidency. He didn't keep any of his top 10 promises to voters. ALL politcians spew lies in election season. Most of them don't wind up doing do half the stuff they promised.

Obama came in with supermajorities in both houses. He spent the whole election promising immigration reform, then he did nothing when he got power. Politicians lie to get power. It's what they do. Both parties are filled with bs artists.

Trump won't be as good or bad as you think he will.....certainly not a reason to CTB.

I agree with the last part but not that his policies are good for average Americans. He's going to give more tax cuts to billionaires.

He's a con man just like every other politician. The biggest grift you can ever fall for is to believe a politician who has done enough dirty to get to the status to become a President actually cares about average Americans.

 

[Worndown]

You do not need to be on this site to have moved a little closer to the edge in the last week.

 

[NoPoint2Life]

You do not need to be on this site to have moved a little closer to the edge in the last week.

Very true. I keep wondering what inauguration day will be like. Will more people CTB before then or is that gonna make a large increase of people CTB around that date?

 

[ms_beaverhousen]

I`m not from USA but also from a country that is divided in a very similar way by the two openly hostile "tribes" so I know how bad it feels when "other side" rips your country away from you. But my USA friends, don't overestimate the orange man, he may trip on his own foots.

Counting on it. As he could literally trip over his feet as he's the type of guy who walks around with toilet paper stuck to his shoe...
You have to be a special kind of deserving bastard when you're the POTUS and your staff and security let you walk up the steps of Air Force One with a trail of tp stuck to your shoe.
Just listen to Wanda!

 

[Whale_bones]

unity is more important then claiming moral high ground and telling the other person they are wrong and need to deal with it.

In the same post:

a lot of people have been fear mongered into assuming the worst at basically all times.

Most people who fear the absolute worst, usually are deep within their echo chamber.

That's a whole lot of assumption and judgment going on without knowing anything about other members' situations or what they have lived through.

diversity of thought even on a suicide forum is important. Hence why it's a forum. There are plenty of options on here to make private chatrooms for like minded people. Public posts are well just that. Public.

I don't see how my post was at all suggesting there shouldn't be "diversity of thought". I'm commenting publicly because giving a critique, and representing the viewpoint that this isn't the best way to go about things, is part of what makes up diversity of thought.

The point of my comment was that there's a difference between casually airing your thoughts on a subject that may or may not affect you, and specifically commenting on other members' reasons for CTB.

Do you judge other members' will to CTB in other posts, and declare that "they're deep in an echo chamber" "they're having a knee-jerk emotional response", etc. or is that only something you'd do with this subject? Why is it a good idea to do in this case, but not others?

Often, the person expressing their suicidality can lay out all their reasons with evidence to back it up, but that's an exhausting, draining thing to do when SS is usually the one place that people don't make sweeping presumptions and don't assume they know someone's life better than the actual person does.

If the subject is a matter of conversation and casual debate to you, rather than a very real and pressing topic that affects your suicidality, does it not make way more sense to simply have that conversation in an area such as off-topic, instead of focusing on other members' specific suicidality?