Trump won.

[CatLvr]

Thanks for proving my point. I said even if you have mild or reasonable views or want to protect the right of females immediately the finger is pointed at you and the word transphobia falls. Ok, so I'm transphobic and you're misogynistic then. Is calling people terms like that satisfying to you?

Why are your rights as a transperson more important than the rights of women who are born female?
Why are we not allowed to have boundaries without it being deflected as hate?

Politicians do lie but we can see that this guy was in power for 4 years and not much happened.
Also the same argument can be used against Kamala that she's also just a liar and then what...
So what points exactly from Agenda 47 do you want to point at?

This is where I fall also. I made a post earlier that no matter WHO I was discussing politics with I always turned out to be the bad guy. Why?? Only thing I can figure is both my parents, for all their faults, got one thing right. They taught me to see people for what they are, not what they say they are. That is both good and bad. Good because I have friends that run the ENTIRE spectrum of what I call the American Experience. Bad because I have enemies that run the ENTIRE spectrum of what I call the American Experience. And for the life of me I cannot understand why people on both ends cannot see what they are losing by not being able to be honest with themselves about politics, politicians and what kind of damage (and good) that politics and politicians can do.

Bottom line is, as long as people rule the world we are ALL fucked. Well, unless you are in the upper 1 to 3% that is. Those folks -- gosh -- I can't even comprehend having that kind of money. Maybe in my next life.

 

[zel]

Most productive discussion ever, lol. Now this is why this kind of post belongs in the politics section, and not stickied on the suicide discussion section.

Aren't we here to discuss suicidality, not whether or not the latest American president will institute some new dystopian reign of terror? If it does happen, then maybe we can continue to bemoan the pains and injustices of life.

But that would be nothing new (and is perfectly ok).

What I don't want to become typical for this forum is heated political discussions about this or that legislation, this person's vs that person's rights. There's other spaces for that. Don't drown out this sacred space with your trite, foolish bickering, please.

And @RainAndSadness, I'm just one voice, but please, less of this. There are many political forums on the internet - and it's my understanding we even have a specially demarcated space for that here.

 

[Myforevercharlie]

And @RainAndSadness, I'm just one voice, but please, less of this. There are many political forums on the internet - and it's my understanding we even have a specially demarcated space for that here.

If a political situation drives people to suicide it belongs in the suicide discussion.

 

[senti-mental]

Real slow clap for everyone here breaking their backs bending over backwards to miss the fuckin point. Like Charlie said, its driving people to suicide. We've elected people who's platform has always been to make cuts to healthcare, mental healthcare, and more basic necessities. I see people here all the time wanting to ctb because they just can't fucking function well enough to make enough to keep a roof over their head and pay for food, you think the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" party is gonna decrease those suicides?

Anyone can argue "but X candidate will make problems worse that Y candidate!" but c'mon, the position here has ALWAYS been that if governments have a problem with suicide, they should do things that support suicide prevention in meaningful ways like better mental healthcare and solutions to homelessness, shit like that. we've elected people who have a verifiable and recorded history of not giving a flying fuck about those things, im sorry, but the cuts proposed and previous term proves that. its not an unprecedented political statement for a site admin of this forum to state the obvious in that regard.

 

[zel]

If a political situation drives people to suicide it belongs in the suicide discussion.

The thing with US politics is that it's always very contentious. Not that I would, but it's possible for someone to make the argument that a potential Kamala presidency would so irreparably damage the economy - or drag us into a war - that the consequent anxiety and fear is increasing their suicidality.

Though I don't suppose that sentiment would be taken kindly here. Honestly, if some particular, random forum individual is anxious about their country's political direction and needs to vent, fine. If it increases your suicidality, post about it; but these highly visible and circulated posts by an admin of this forum is unprofessional, as it creates an environment in this forum that makes it difficult for >50% of the American populace to feel "safe" in, to use the more modern lingo.

The staff here set a precedent and a culture. And it's beyond me why this isn't just hashed out in the politics section of this forum. If someone wants to talk about suicide, then by all means, but I don't see very much of that being done here.

 

[We Are Angels]

Alright.

For some reason I thought a forum dedicated to people who are considering suicide would have people with higher EQs than the average Joe, but perhaps I got my hopes too high because this thread in particular has proven otherwise.

For the record, I'm not worried whatsoever about Trump, nor am I worried about myself. In fact, I wanted to Trump to win. Why? Because I know he's got what it takes to destroy America! Climate change, world war three, AI, it's all coming to a head, baby, and an incompetent leader is the final nail in the coffin.

Again, I'm and not "worried" about the future at all, I'm just here for the ride, as I find the state of affairs quite entertaining. How anyone can listen to Donald Trump for more than 30 seconds and think that this orange manbaby deserves access to enough thermonuclear warheads to turn earth into Mars 2.0 is a mystery to me. You idiots literally put a Saturday morning cartoon villian into office... and I can't stop laughing.

Should WW3 start, or concentration camps open up, it is of little concern to me, I will be catching the bus soon enough. This website has provided all the information needed to self delete. Until then, I will be laughing at you idiots who voted him in as he bends you over.

I hope he runs this country into the ground, and hope there's nothing left, not a single flag standing when he's done. Reduce the capitalist empire to rubble. In a few hundred years they'll be talking about the great American empire, and how powerful it was before they destroyed themselves

Maybe... maybe, after america collapses, indigenous tribes can reclaim the land that was wrongfully stolen fron them. That is the only silver lining I could see.

Thanks for proving my point. I said even if you have mild or reasonable views or want to protect the right of females immediately the finger is pointed at you and the word transphobia falls. Ok, so I'm transphobic and you're misogynistic then. Is calling people terms like that satisfying to you?

That's not how it works, lass. You are basically calling transsexual women men (you won't say this out loud just yet because you know it makes you sound a bit rude, although in your next comment you will likely consider what I'm about to say enough justification to go mask off and call me man, which is precisely what all of you TERFs do when we don't submit to your abuse, it's the same shit with you guys) because if you actually saw MtFs women, you wouldn't consider them a threat to women's and girl's safety because how would women be a threat to women? You just see MtFs as men in dresses. Please just admit it already, I'd have more respect for you if you were honest. Treating transsexuals like their birth sex is transphobia by definition, this is not up for debate. If you have a better solution than what we have already been doing please let us know.

Transsexual mtfs are far more likely to be assaulted by men, then a mtf is to assault a woman. You'd rather have transsexual women, who have had hormone replacement and surgury in a male prison to get raped and made into a sex slave (yes this actually happens) because you can't get over your own hang ups. Trans people who cant get a job because they dont pass enough, are forced into sex work and prostitution and homelessness but you want to cry because someone on the internet called you a word that rhymes with "frontal lobe"? Are you kidding me!?

Transsexuals are not only far more oppressed than both men and women alike, we are more oppressed than just about any other minority group on the planet. We are the only group people are still allowed to be openly sadistic and callous towards. Just open up social media comments on any video of a trans person and you will find an endless stream of distain and hatred. Despite being under 0.1% of the population, we managed to get brought up by both sides of the political spectrum on the daily basis. Our rights and dignities being nothing more than a game of ping pong for you. There is NO demographic more hated on the planet than transsexuals, especially MtFs. (You will probably get defensive and angry, but I am just stating an observable FACT).

Why are your rights as a transperson more important than the rights of women who are born female? Why are we not allowed to have boundaries without it being deflected as hate?

"Why are we not allowed to hate you without being accused of hating you"
Listen to yourself, mate. You are like a white nordicist or neonazi (yes, I am comparing you to a neonazi) asking a black person why they thinking black rights are more important than white people. Typical narcissist behavior, where the abuser tries to frame themselves as the victim.

Keep crying. I want you to know we have been using female spaces for DECADES and there is jack shit do about it because our legal gender markers have already been changed, which means we have the same sex based rights as you! Yup, read it and weep. Especially in the case of transsexuals such as myself who look female enough that no one questions it or cares.

Don't like it? Take it up with big government. You already got your man into office, He'll probably make some antitrans bills, put us in coversion therapy, and you guys will cheer him on, for a while. Then you guys will have the "surprised Pikachu face" when orange man strips away your voting rights, your abortion rights, your rights to a no-fault divorce. And before you know it your ass will be back in the kitchen making a sandwich for a real misogynist, then you will know what real misogyny feels like. But hey at least there are no more trannies is the women's room, amiright?

So when you are living in the handmaids tale in 10-15 years, I want you to remember me as that one asshole on sanctioned suicide who warned you. And you will think "man, I should've listened." but it will be too damn late.

Politicians do lie but we can see that this guy was in power for 4 years and not much happened.

The the surrounding political climate is far different. Project 2025 wasn't in the works back then. Republicans already admit that 2025 is the real deal. You're in denial, you fucked up, and now you will pay the goddamn consequences.

Also the same argument can be used against Kamala that she's also just a liar and then what...

She's not a convicted felon, I'll give you that.

So what points exactly from Agenda 47 do you want to point at?

Do your own research. This isn't kindergarten. I'm sure you're already foaming at the mouth, and thinking of 100 creative ways to call me a man in your next reply. I know exactly how your kind thinks, and I'm several steps ahead.

This forum, like every other forum on the internet is full of toxic people and nonsense, and idiots. It is time I separate from this site, the infos great but the people ain't. Got better things to do with my time left. This will likely be my last post on the website.

Have a good one.

 

[littleadonis]

Everything a thriving capitalist country needs he'll make happen

There isn't a single poor Trump supporter that understands his economic plan or even basic economics and what capitalism actually is, including you.

 

[Sunshine]

Keep crying. I want you to know we have been using female spaces for DECADES and there is jack shit do about it because our legal gender markers have already been changed, which means we have the same sex based rights as you! Yup, read it and weep. Especially in the case of transsexuals such as myself who look female enough that no one questions it or cares.

That whole empathy lacking block of text and wild accusations of hate because I said the rights of women should also be considered. This is the kind of unhinged rant ("KEEP CRYING! HAHAHA! THERE IS JACK SHIT YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT! I DON'T CARE IF WOMEN FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE HAHAHA!") that will push people further away from liberal views because as soon you are not 100% on board in every possible way you are being alienated and accused, but apparently that is your goal anyway so there is nothing to worry about.

 

[Chinaski]

I understand you're feeling under fire for being in a minority here. If you are feeling personally attacked by something I've said, I want to be clear: I am addressing the issues without attaching judgement.

The question concerns trans rights and bodily autonomy -- two human rights issues threatened by an incoming Donald Trump administration.

For instance, it confuses me as to how it's possible for somebody to genuinely support trans rights while simultaneously supporting a Donald Trump. I mean, Trump got 12% of the LGBTQ vote, which I'm guessing includes many trans people, so it's apparently possible.



I am wholeheartedly on board with everything you just said. But of ^this specifically, American politics are of worldwide concern, and I think you would be very much justified in chiming in, especially since you'd prompt people to think deeper about it and likely add a much-needed balance to all the emotion.

Tbh l have had a fair few smug American dipshits attempt to lecture me on the history of the UK left despite knowing absolutely fucking nothing about it beyond the parroting of the commentariat and radio phone ins that I'd dread coming across similarly - in addition it's worth acknowledging that my views on Trump as a president do come from essentially a position of global politics and folk who are going to be meaningfully impacted in terms of healthcare, welfare, housing etc are probably best placed to offer a meaningful critique.

 

[Ironborn]

If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.
Elections are a placebo to make you think you are making a difference, keep you under the illusion you have control.
The deep state marches on regardless.
Changing the figurehead of public government every few years makes no difference.
The gears still turn, the machine still grinds and anyone who gets uppity gets the JFK treatment.
If you have ever spoken to a politician "thick as a brick sandwich" is an apt description for 99% of them.
Anyone of any real importance in government you will never even know they exist, they are the intelligent ones.

 

[littleadonis]

If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.
Elections are a placebo to make you think you are making a difference, keep you under the illusion you have control.
The deep state marches on regardless.
Changing the figurehead of public government every few years makes no difference.
The gears still turn, the machine still grinds and anyone who gets uppity gets the JFK treatment.
If you have ever spoken to a politician "thick as a brick sandwich" is an apt description for 99% of them.
Anyone of any real importance in government you will never even know they exist, they are the intelligent ones.

Yeah of course. Based on no evidence whatsoever. Loony.

Transsexuals are not only far more oppressed than both men and women alike, we are more oppressed than just about any other minority group on the planet.

I think you mean 'transgender' or 'transvestite'. 'Transexual' means you're sexually attracted to transgender people.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

I agree 100% with the admin and I thought the same exact things when I heard Orange's talks about LGBT minorities.
In his nonsense talking, he attacked also adults that have gender dysphoria saying that the state will not support any of them in changing their sexuality.
He is targeting one of the most vulnerable group, instead of providing them with adequate support to prevent them from becoming suicidal. That's exactly what I thought when I heard him spitting out his foolish ideas and a crowd of idiots cheering at him.
It would have been more useful to approve chemical castration to anyone accused of sexual harassment, him included, instead of tormenting people that are not doing anything bad to others and that are targeted and bullied even by this bag of potatoes.

 

[asthedayends00]

I want everyone to reply to this thread after a year if they're still here. It'll be the exact same as it is now for the those that think the election made things worse.

 

[Winterreise]

In a conservative hostile world, I recommend sabotaging your surroundings. Cause harm where you can. Do as poor job as possible. Neglect communal duties. Waste common resources. Dry out drinking water. Just cause damage. Make people pay fordi their ignorance.

 

[ThatStateOfMind]

Everything a thriving capitalist country needs he'll make happen

Like a huge tariff on imported goods which will only affect the consumer? Nissan is already preparing to lay off 9,000 people as a result of Trump's proposed tariffs. The proposed tariffs are also estimated to increase technology prices by a significant margin as China is going to be hit with the biggest tariff and most of our electronics are made in China. Anyways, I don't want to debate politics on here, I just genuinely don't think Trump will be good for America.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

Like a huge tariff on imported goods which will only affect the consumer? Nissan is already preparing to lay off 9,000 people as a result of Trump's proposed tariffs. The proposed tariffs are also estimated to increase technology prices by a significant margin as China is going to be hit with the biggest tariff and most of our electronics are made in China. Anyways, I don't want to debate politics on here, I just genuinely don't think Trump will be good for America.

I agree. I'm part of the complex supply chain of one top producer of hi-tech products for the consumer electronic in the US. Many of the components used in such products are not developed in the US, due to the fact that it's impossible for a company to quickly become independent from suppliers that have developed decades of expertise in developing specific components, as well as patents.
I'm certain that the same applies to other markets.
Of course mr. Orange can try to motivate and force these companies to become independent from suppliers from other countries by increasing taxation on imported parts. But will they afford to sell their products at higher prices, before they are able (in many years) to become completely independent?
In the end, the people that will pay for this are the workers (that will receive lower waves to compensate for the initial losses) and the consumers.
But a billionaire as egocentric as him can't understand such things

 

[Downdraft]

The thing with US politics is that it's always very contentious. Not that I would, but it's possible for someone to make the argument that a potential Kamala presidency would so irreparably damage the economy - or drag us into a war - that the consequent anxiety and fear is increasing their suicidality.

Though I don't suppose that sentiment would be taken kindly here. Honestly, if some particular, random forum individual is anxious about their country's political direction and needs to vent, fine. If it increases your suicidality, post about it; but these highly visible and circulated posts by an admin of this forum is unprofessional, as it creates an environment in this forum that makes it difficult for >50% of the American populace to feel "safe" in, to use the more modern lingo.

The forum doesn't care about that buddy, only about what makes them feel better in particular. They already took the stance.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

It speaks volumes about the character of the majority of Americans when they can vote to elect a hate-mongering, impeached lier, not to mention a convicted (in effect) rapist to the head of the country who will merely end up taking credit for an improving economy brought about by policies implemented by the Biden administration to correct the disastrous mess left by the previous administration in the first place.

You Trumpers should enjoy your time in power because, in the long run, your hate-filled mantra will not prevail and you and all of your cronies will end up being permanently cast aside.

 

[asthedayends00]

It speaks volumes about the character of the majority of Americans when they can vote to elect a hate-mongering, impeached lier, not to mention a convicted (in effect) rapist to the head of the country who will merely end up taking credit for an improving economy brought about by policies implemented by the Biden administration to correct the disastrous mess left by the previous administration in the first place.

You Trumpers should enjoy your time in power because, in the long run, your hate-filled mantra will not prevail and you and all of your cronies will end up being permanently cast aside.

Hate filled mantra is exactly what the left is made of

 

[littleadonis]

Hate filled mantra is exactly what the left is made of

Hatred of what? Bigotry? Yes, we hate bigotry. Well done.

 

[mrpeter]

Hatred of what? Bigotry? Yes, we hate bigotry. Well done.

the poor bigots are being discriminated against