Resource SN megathread

[Awe]

Why are you saying that pure SN is regulated? It's not in most countries. Besides, if it is illegal to sell pure nitrite, why would they risk attracting the attention of the authorities?

Food grade doesn't mean that it's not pure. It only means that it doesn't contain substances that would make it unsuitable for food production.

I beg to differ; The Definition of "Food Grade" The term, "food grade," refers to the materials used in equipment. To be defined as food grade, materials need to be non-toxic and safe for consumption.

 

[OfficerK]

I beg to differ; The Definition of "Food Grade" The term, "food grade," refers to the materials used in equipment. To be defined as food grade, materials need to be non-toxic and safe for consumption.

Not really. Its only food application is as an additive, more specifically as a salt for curing meat. Sodium nitrite in itself is poisonous; there's no way to make it safe to consume it on its own. Reducing the purity would only make the effects of consuming it less drastic and make it so that you'd have to ingest higher amounts for it to be lethal.

 

[311]

This stuff should be fine, right? I found it on amazon and ebay.

Just make sure you have metoclopramide

 

[Awe]

Not really. Its only food application is as an additive, more specifically as a salt for curing meat. Sodium nitrite in itself is poisonous; there's no way to make it safe to consume it on its own. Reducing the purity would only make the effects of consuming it less drastic and make it so that you'd have to ingest higher amounts for it to be lethal.

Perhaps. Likely then, going off suggested doses we've been seeing on this thread one would likely become ill for sure but highly unlikely anything more than that, no? Whose to know how much one would have to ingest then... I was planning to do the DMSO +SN + antie btw

 

[OfficerK]

Perhaps. Likely then, going off suggested doses we've been seeing on this thread one would likely become ill for sure but highly unlikely anything more than that, no? Whose to know how much one would have to ingest then... I was planning to do the DMSO +SN + antie btw

I'm not sure why you're assuming that the percentage stated on the label is incorrect. Amazon is probably not interested in facing the legal repercussions of hosting a seller that illegally misleads the site's customers.

As long as you stick to trustworthy sites and manufacturers, chances are that the listed purity is correct.

 

[Awe]

I'm not sure why you're assuming that the percentage stated on the label is incorrect. Amazon is probably not interested in facing the legal repercussions of hosting a seller that illegally misleads the site's customers.

As long as you stick to trustworthy sites and manufacturers, chances are that the listed purity is correct.

I'm not saying the percentage is incorrect; I'm trying to point out an important distinction between FOOD grade and LAB grade as to how they come up with the percentage.
I've just been in contact with 3 different chem suppliers and they all strictly only sell pure SN to research labs.

 

[OfficerK]

I'm not saying the percentage is incorrect; I'm trying to point out an important distinction between FOOD grade and LAB grade as to how they come up with the percentage.
I've just been in contact with 3 different chem suppliers and they all strictly only sell pure SN to research labs.

I'm not really sure how to interpret "99+% pure sodium nitrite with 0.1% sodium mono and dimethyl naphthalens sulfonates added" other than it containing 99% sodium nitrite. It may well be true that there are different requirements for labeling something as "pure" depending on usage, but that doesn't really matter if it contains 99% +/-, does it?

 

[Awe]

I'm not really sure how to interpret "99+% pure sodium nitrite with 0.1% sodium mono and dimethyl naphthalens sulfonates added" other than it containing 99% sodium nitrite. It may well be true that there are different requirements for labeling something as "pure" depending on usage, but that doesn't really matter if it contains 99% +/-, does it?

That's what I'm trying to explain. Food grade 99% pure is STILL very different from lab grade.
" Normally Food Grade is a LOWER quality than Lab Grade.

Lab Grade normally has exhaustive testing on it to determine all impurities. The lab is using this as a reagent and they need to know all that.

Food grade means that it won't cause human disease. So really all they need to know is if there are too many heavy metals or too many bacterial contaminants. The limits are typically higher for food grade."

 

[Awe]

That's what I'm trying to explain. Food grade 99% pure is STILL very different from lab grade.
" Normally Food Grade is a LOWER quality than Lab Grade.

Lab Grade normally has exhaustive testing on it to determine all impurities. The lab is using this as a reagent and they need to know all that.

Food grade means that it won't cause human disease. So really all they need to know is if there are too many heavy metals or too many bacterial contaminants. The limits are typically higher for food grade."

IF it was exactly the same in purity then why would these chemical companies refuse to sell to individuals?
I know it's frustrating and disappointing to hear, trust me, but I just want people to think it through a bit more than I did. If it was really this easy to obtain such a lethal substance, don't you think you'd be seeing a helluva lot more suicides by this manner ?

 

[OfficerK]

IF it was exactly the same in purity then why would these chemical companies refuse to sell to individuals?
I know it's frustrating and disappointing to hear, trust me, but I just want people to think it through a bit more than I did. If it was really this easy to obtain such a lethal substance, don't you think you'd be seeing a helluva lot more suicides by this manner ?

My guess is that lab grade nitrite that is used in research and scientific experiments probably has to go through a more rigorous and thus expensive process of verifying its purity, as it may effect test results and what not. I should clarify that nitrite doesn't have to be 100% pure to be effective. If it turns out that the 99% pure nitrite actually only contains 98% nitrite, the difference in effectiveness will be negligible. After all, the recommended 15 g dose is not the minimum lethal dose. Taking slightly less is unlikely to significantly affect its lethality. In any case, you can easily make up for a minor impurity by increasing the dosage by one gram.

 

[Dutch]

i know that factory's buy SN that is labeled as food graded SN and mix it with kitchen salt to preservative the food. and add vitamine C to reduce nitrosamines that SN create without vitamine c. The factory's can only add max 100mg SN to 1 kilo meat.

 

[Mistress Death]

This is where I got mine: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sodium-Nit...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
What do you all think?

 

[Awe]

My guess is that lab grade nitrite that is used in research and scientific experiments probably has to go through a more rigorous and thus expensive process of verifying its purity, as it may effect test results and what not. I should clarify that nitrite doesn't have to be 100% pure to be effective. If it turns out that the 99% pure nitrite actually only contains 98% nitrite, the difference in effectiveness will be negligible. After all, the recommended 15 g dose is not the minimum lethal dose. Taking slightly less is unlikely to significantly affect its lethality. In any case, you can easily make up for a minor impurity by increasing the dosage by one gram.

But we have no idea really then what dosage would be sufficient right?

 

[Redcity]

Does anyone have a link to the instructions and details of this method?

 

[Tristesse]

can i ask u where u bought it?

I bought it from a website that specializes in selling chemicals…

 

[Tristesse]

Is it possible that the agglomerated SN only has a hard surface and there' s still some well-preserved powder inside?

 

[Deleted member 4993]

The Seven Most Common Grades for Chemicals and Reagents | Lab Manager - Lab Manager Magazine
13 Nov 2017 · Reagent grade is generally equal to ACS grade (≥95%) and is acceptable for food, drug, or medicinal use and is suitable for use in many laboratory and analytical applications. USP grade meets or exceeds requirements of the United States Pharmacopeia (USP).

 

[throwaway777]

I suspect any sodium nitrite available as easily as Amazon is likely salt mixed with some nitrite . Pure SN is regulated. Going to try regardless out of desperation, but in my gut I know it will fail. Just a heads up to anyone who is as serious about wanting success with SN method

how about the sn from apc pure?

 

[throwaway777]

I live in a wet and rainy area. Today I found out that the SN I recently received has become a hard block. My SN is bottled and the bottle has never been opened.

I know that SN will turn into sodium nitrate when it is exposed to oxygen. Is that the reason why SN cakes? Or is it just harmless water absorption and adhesion?

The purity of SN I bought was 99%. If this happened, how many effective ingredients are left? Do I need a knife to cut it into pieces?

the description of the sn from apc pure says that it contains Anti-Caking Agent...if ur bottle has never been opened , maybe ur sn didnt contain that agent ? im not sure just supposing..

 

[Tristesse]

I opened the bottle and checked it just now.

All the powder has condensed into a stone-like lump... The whole block is light yellow so at least the color is correct... The main part of the block is quite hard, and components can not easily fall off when I hit it with medium strength. But there is a layer of salt crystals on the surface, which can be easily peeled off. That may be enough for me.

I asked people of chemical industry and they said that caked SN should not be used for precise chemical experiments and measurements, but it can still be used for other general purposes. (But how about using it to CTB？) They suggested me learning something about grinding.

I don't know if there could be any serious problems... I'll cut off the 15g I need with a knife maybe...

I don't know how much NaOH is in it... Maybe I will have pain in the digestive tract after taking it...

 

[Tristesse]

What website did you order from?

http://www.aladdin-e.com/( Sorry it' s not in English)
It looks like a very formal website...

 

[Tristesse]

the description of the sn from apc pure says that it contains Anti-Caking Agent...if ur bottle has never been opened , maybe ur sn didnt contain that agent ? im not sure just supposing..

I've heard that even with the anticoagulant, SN will coagulate if it encounters water... And in recent days the moisture in the air is pervasive here...

 

[Tristesse]

 

[Heeljoseph]

Okay, I just took olanzapine (5mg) and Mirtazapine (15mg) combination as antiemetic. After 30 min will try to drink 100ml water with 20g of SN. I will update before drowsy or fail.

Edit: Forgot to mention, I have fasting about 4 hours.

19:42 (GMT +8)

I have drink it, it taste like sea sault. Now I feel my body a bit hot. I think it works.

 

[JAG_78]

Okay, I just took olanzapine (5mg) and Mirtazapine (15mg) combination as antiemetic. After 30 min will try to drink 100ml water with 20g of SN. I will update before drowsy or fail.

Edit: Forgot to mention, I have fasting about 4 hours.

19:42 (GMT +8)

I have drink it, it taste like sea sault. Now I feel my body a bit hot. I think it works.

Wish you luck.

 

[JAG_78]

Has anyone considered using SN method in combination with Night Night (internal carotid artery block) method?.

 

[Sixfeetunder]

I opened my SN bottle 2-3 times to try to figure out the measurement. The bottle was never open longer than 10-15 minutes. Should I get a new bottle of SN? Or should using the SN at the bottom be okay? I don't want it to turn into sodium nitrate.

 

[longerhu]

For those who are uncertain about measurements, the volume of sodium nitrite is 2.17 g/cm³, so it is slightly more than double the volume of water. I'm going to use a measuring cup that comes with those cough syrups, but it's also possible to measure it with syringes. Something between 7ml (15.19g) and 8ml (17.36g) should be ok. I think this is more accurate than measuring with a tablespoon...

Cimetidine, Plasil(Metoclopramide) and SN are otc here in Brazil.
I will also take Zolpidem (Patz SL) as sedative.

I wanted to think of a way to tell if it worked and if I felt pain, but I do not think there's any way.

 

[Preston]

So if I replace antimetics with DMSO I will get the same effect? There's no way I can get antimetics so I need an alternative.

 

[idecidewhen]

I read on another thread advising on the use of an antihistamine for pain. I've never heard of that. Any thoughts on the use of something like panadeine forte as a relaxant with SN?

Also read on a separate site, using a dilator such as Cialis and improve effectiveness of SN. No idea about dose or timing.