Resource SN megathread

[Argo]

Does anyone have thoughts on using oblate discs for taking SN? Gelatin caps seem like a bad idea because of how long they take to dissolve, meaning you could get a kind of slow release dose that takes a long time and causes a negative experience. An oblate disc wouldn't have this problem. I guess the answer to the question purely depends on what exact happens to undisolved SN when it hits a fasted stomach followed by a glass of water. If the dissolving part is crucial, there are probably some culinary techniques you could look up for creating dissolved SN in something swallowable, if you're into that kind of thing.

 

[jatty]

Is S***** (not sure if that website counts as a source) reliable? I don't see why a reason why Indonesia would scam since it's readily available there as is.
It's fine that it doesn't ship outside of the area as I have arrangements there.

 

[DarkShadows]

Does temperature of the water matter? It's currently winter here so I'm concerned the SN might struggle to dissolve as I CTB outside. I guess I could do a test run.

 

[dustyrainbow]

Does temperature of the water matter? It's currently winter here so I'm concerned the SN might struggle to dissolve as I CTB outside. I guess I could do a test run.

Everything I came across said lukewarm water is fine. If you have a bottle that keeps the temperature for a while, you should be fine?
And not every report said the SN dissolves perfectly by the given amount of water (water too saturated). There can be little clumps left, but if you drink 1-2 sips of water after that, it should be fine to swallow?

 

[DarkShadows]

Everything I came across said lukewarm water is fine. If you have a bottle that keeps the temperature for a while, you should be fine?
And not every report said the SN dissolves perfectly by the given amount of water (water too saturated). There can be little clumps left, but if you drink 1-2 sips of water after that, it should be fine to swallow?

I could buy one of those thermos flasks.

 

[neutralmilk]

This post will be dedicated to compiling all the information we have on the Sodium Nitrite method (SN), including what else is needed and comparing it to other popular methods.

Before starting, I HIGHLY encourage you read most, if not all, of the chapters on the PPH, as this method may not be the most suited for you.

First of all, let's discuss why this method works, and how it kills.

Spoiler: The effects of Sodium Nitrite

Sodium Nitrite, NaNO2, acts as a catalyst in the conversion of the hemoglobin in your blood into methemoglobin (MetHB), a molecule with a much higher affinity with oxygen. This occurs when the ferrous ions in the regular hemoglobin are converted into ferric ones.
Since it's affinity is so high, methemoglobin cannot let the oxygen flow into other tissues that need it, thus depriving them of oxygen even while you're breathing. Death, then, occurs by hypoxia.
Sodium Nitrite poisoning symptoms include nausea, vertigo, vomiting, very heavy headaches and, should you manage to not pass out for too long, seizures.
The PPH claims that, during a monitored suicide with SN, the patient was unconscious at 12 minutes and dead by 35. However, some sources claim that SN poisoning might take as much as 8 hours to kill, probably due to low dosage.
Since methemoglobin creation is a natural process in our bodies, you must be aware that a certain enzyme works to transform it back into hemoglobin again. This is why the recommended dosage has varied on the PPH so much, as the syntetization of these enzymes and their "power" to overcome the formation of MetHB depends purely on your body, thus making a normal, general dose for all who chose this method very hard to determine, unlike N.

As for the physical symptoms your body will experience, not much will really change. Since your blood will mainly be MetHB, it will take on a bluish chocolate brown color, and the tips of your fingers, toes and nose (amongst others) will turn slightly blue from cyanosis.

Now, lets take a look at the "shopping cart".

Spoiler: What is needed for this method?

You'll need the following:

SN: The main compund for this method, Sodium Nitrite is easy enough to find. You're looking for >98% purity Nitrite. This chemical is sold without regulation and can be bought from Amazon, Ebay or any lab supplier in your area. 100 grams cost between 8 and 10€. This chemical is completely legal to own and is used during curation of meats to preserve their color. It's described as "White to yellowish powder/crystals" and it's said to have "slightly salty taste". It is also very soluble in water.
The recommended dose from the PPH is 15 grams, however, this has increased on different issues, from only 5, to 12 and now to 15.
Very important: You're looking for Sodium Nitrite, not Sodium Nitrate; NaNO2, not NaNO3.
Should you not find it just by looking up Sodium Nitrite, look for: NaNO2, NNaO2 or Filmerine. Make sure you're buying what you want and that it's purity is high enough. For more information on it plus some industrial sellers, check Sodium Nitrite on Pubchem.

Antiemetics: Strong enough antiemetics for this method are not OTC, so you'll need to see your way around this. You're looking for Metoclopramide or any of it's commercial names, like Reglan/Primperan. This antiemetic needs to be a Dopamine blocker for it to work.
Antiemetics aren't 100% necessary for this method, however; just like with N, you wont accomplish anything if you end up puking it all out, which is likely. This will also most likely be the bulk of the money you'll use during this method.

Acid Regulators: Another thing recommended in the PPH is raising your stomach's pH to make the SN more effective. This can be accomplished with drugs like Tagamet (The one recommended on the PPH, 800mg, which is to my knowledge OTC) or even bicarbonate, though not as effective.

Spoiler: A few extra comments

I recently got asked a few things regarding SN. First of all, you must know that the effects of this poisoning are completely reversible. It is very unlikely that you will have any permanent damage should you be "saved" during your attempt. Secondly, since this method relies on hypoxia, cardiovascular problems will reduce the amount of MetHB in blood needed to actually kill you. This, however, shouldnt really be a problem since it is sold starting from 100 grams, far more than the amount needed.

Lastly, there have been cases of people recovering from SN poisoning without any "side effects", but even if the ambulance is called soon enough, it is not certain that you will survive.

Should you have any question you can't find the answer of, please comment it and maybe you'll find someone on this community who knows.
Also, should you have any more information you'd like to share, please post it and tag me so I can edit this post and get it included. Thank you.

Does anyone know any sites that ship SN to Canada or if it's possible for me to get at a restaraunt shop or a butcher shop?

 

[Incandescent]

where do ya'll get your sodium nitrite?

 

[YandereMikuMistress]

If your 110-115 pounds should you take 20g or 25g ?

 

[delayedcactus]

I just had a thought - since you need to fast for a minimum of 8 hours, couldn't you just sleep for 8 hours, wake up in the morning and take the pills and SN since you wouldn't have anything in your system since the night before?

 

[DesperateOne]

Can I overdose on benzos before doing it? I will follow the regimen to a t, but I will increase benzos by like 10x-20x so I'm completely fucked. I feel like if I gobble down enough of them I wont feel the SI that much.

 

[delayedcactus]

Can I overdose on benzos before doing it? I will follow the regimen to a t, but I will increase benzos by like 10x-20x so I'm completely fucked. I feel like if I gobble down enough of them I wont feel the SI that much.

It might help beat SI but you also likely will be so out of it and lethargic that you won't have the energy to take the 2nd glass when you vomit. Idk for sure tho. Never taken benzos so I know I'd have a low tolerance to it personally

 

[bluepepper246]

Hello to everyone
Is there an online source for Meto ?
If I don't find any, what can I say to the doctor to prescribe me meto?
Thank you all

 

[haverson91]

Is there anywhere I can go to confirm my source with someone? I did the aquarium test strip method and it seems legit but so scared it might not work.

 

[bluepepper246]

I guess noone is really interested in this method anymore
I think I found my source for SN and I'm really happy , it made my day.

But I really hope for someone to just send me a PM for meto source. Or help me to find through dark web? I don't know what to do now. I thought the antiemetic would be the easiest to find , but in my country there is a shortage of meto and is impossible to find .
Since meto is the best and preferable drug, I was thinking if I can buy it from abroad but I can't find any in eBay. If you have a source please you can tell me.
In case I don't find meto, what is the best alternative drug? Will it be as good as meto?

 

[DarkShadows]

I guess noone is really interested in this method anymore
I think I found my source for SN and I'm really happy , it made my day.

But I really hope for someone to just send me a PM for meto source. Or help me to find through dark web? I don't know what to do now. I thought the antiemetic would be the easiest to find , but in my country there is a shortage of meto and is impossible to find .
Since meto is the best and preferable drug, I was thinking if I can buy it from abroad but I can't find any in eBay. If you have a source please you can tell me.
In case I don't find meto, what is the best alternative drug? Will it be as good as meto?

Domperidone I think. Online pharmacies might prescribe meto after a consultation. Vizzy's' SN bible details how one can try to get doctor to prescribe the right AE.

 

[DarkShadows]

Is there anywhere I can go to confirm my source with someone? I did the aquarium test strip method and it seems legit but so scared it might not work.

You need a certain number of posts to DM and for members to DM you.

 

[bluepepper246]

I have see some online pharmacies with consultation but they ship only in the country they are based. I live in south Eastern Europe (EU country) and the online pharmacies I have see they ship only in UK and USA. Do you know if there are other pharmacies who ship abroad ? Sorry for my English

 

[DarkShadows]

I have see some online pharmacies with consultation but they ship only in the country they are based. I live in south Eastern Europe (EU country) and the online pharmacies I have see they ship only in UK and USA. Do you know if there are other pharmacies who ship abroad ? Sorry for my English

Not sure.

 

[drapperxyz]

Can anyone offer advice on trying to source SN while in Czechia/Czech Republic? PM obviously

 

[haverson91]

You need a certain number of posts to DM and for members to DM you.

thank you just not sure who to DM. I have a pink bag (the actual SN is white) that ships only to US. I did the aquarium strip test and it seems to be legitimate but I don't see anyone mentioning this source on these forums

 

[iusedtobehappy]

Some people are asking if consuming sodium nitrite is painful. I can assure you it is. I have taken 1/2 teaspoon of pink Himalayan salt at times for health benefits. Even know that is only about 2.5 grams of salt, it causes stomach pain for 30 minutes or so. Any kind of salt in large amounts causes stomach pain, so I can only imagine what 15 grams will do. I think sodium azide would be much better since it is a very quick death.

Can you elaborate? Any case studies? I found this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10385699/

Yes it worked but how painful vs SN? Thanks

 

[iusedtobehappy]

I personally wouldn't use this method unless it was a last resort but I think it's better to use with some benzos? Otherwise one might encounter some discomfort. Not sure if that screws up absorption etc but I doubt it. Getting valium from a dr is usually easy.

Can you elaborate on why you wouldn't use this method?

 

[Quotable2793]

Has anyone in the US purchased SN successfully lately without receiving a "wellness check" from the police? I see chemical suppliers that I can purchase from online, but I really don't want to get dragged to the psych ward. I read in the PPH that it has happened to some people. If anyone has ordered it lately with no issue could they PM me the website? Thanks.

 

[delayedcactus]

What does it feel like to go numb after taking SN? Is it comparable to when you're out in the cold for too long and you can't feel your fingers?

 

[holden]

This post will be dedicated to compiling all the information we have on the Sodium Nitrite method (SN), including what else is needed and comparing it to other popular methods.

Before starting, I HIGHLY encourage you read most, if not all, of the chapters on the PPH, as this method may not be the most suited for you.

First of all, let's discuss why this method works, and how it kills.

Spoiler: The effects of Sodium Nitrite

Sodium Nitrite, NaNO2, acts as a catalyst in the conversion of the hemoglobin in your blood into methemoglobin (MetHB), a molecule with a much higher affinity with oxygen. This occurs when the ferrous ions in the regular hemoglobin are converted into ferric ones.
Since it's affinity is so high, methemoglobin cannot let the oxygen flow into other tissues that need it, thus depriving them of oxygen even while you're breathing. Death, then, occurs by hypoxia.
Sodium Nitrite poisoning symptoms include nausea, vertigo, vomiting, very heavy headaches and, should you manage to not pass out for too long, seizures.
The PPH claims that, during a monitored suicide with SN, the patient was unconscious at 12 minutes and dead by 35. However, some sources claim that SN poisoning might take as much as 8 hours to kill, probably due to low dosage.
Since methemoglobin creation is a natural process in our bodies, you must be aware that a certain enzyme works to transform it back into hemoglobin again. This is why the recommended dosage has varied on the PPH so much, as the syntetization of these enzymes and their "power" to overcome the formation of MetHB depends purely on your body, thus making a normal, general dose for all who chose this method very hard to determine, unlike N.

As for the physical symptoms your body will experience, not much will really change. Since your blood will mainly be MetHB, it will take on a bluish chocolate brown color, and the tips of your fingers, toes and nose (amongst others) will turn slightly blue from cyanosis.

Now, lets take a look at the "shopping cart".

Spoiler: What is needed for this method?

You'll need the following:

SN: The main compund for this method, Sodium Nitrite is easy enough to find. You're looking for >98% purity Nitrite. This chemical is sold without regulation and can be bought from Amazon, Ebay or any lab supplier in your area. 100 grams cost between 8 and 10€. This chemical is completely legal to own and is used during curation of meats to preserve their color. It's described as "White to yellowish powder/crystals" and it's said to have "slightly salty taste". It is also very soluble in water.
The recommended dose from the PPH is 15 grams, however, this has increased on different issues, from only 5, to 12 and now to 15.
Very important: You're looking for Sodium Nitrite, not Sodium Nitrate; NaNO2, not NaNO3.
Should you not find it just by looking up Sodium Nitrite, look for: NaNO2, NNaO2 or Filmerine. Make sure you're buying what you want and that it's purity is high enough. For more information on it plus some industrial sellers, check Sodium Nitrite on Pubchem.

Antiemetics: Strong enough antiemetics for this method are not OTC, so you'll need to see your way around this. You're looking for Metoclopramide or any of it's commercial names, like Reglan/Primperan. This antiemetic needs to be a Dopamine blocker for it to work.
Antiemetics aren't 100% necessary for this method, however; just like with N, you wont accomplish anything if you end up puking it all out, which is likely. This will also most likely be the bulk of the money you'll use during this method.

Acid Regulators: Another thing recommended in the PPH is raising your stomach's pH to make the SN more effective. This can be accomplished with drugs like Tagamet (The one recommended on the PPH, 800mg, which is to my knowledge OTC) or even bicarbonate, though not as effective.

Spoiler: A few extra comments

I recently got asked a few things regarding SN. First of all, you must know that the effects of this poisoning are completely reversible. It is very unlikely that you will have any permanent damage should you be "saved" during your attempt. Secondly, since this method relies on hypoxia, cardiovascular problems will reduce the amount of MetHB in blood needed to actually kill you. This, however, shouldnt really be a problem since it is sold starting from 100 grams, far more than the amount needed.

Lastly, there have been cases of people recovering from SN poisoning without any "side effects", but even if the ambulance is called soon enough, it is not certain that you will survive.

Should you have any question you can't find the answer of, please comment it and maybe you'll find someone on this community who knows.
Also, should you have any more information you'd like to share, please post it and tag me so I can edit this post and get it included. Thank you.

Hi,
Cannot find a way to buy SN. Is Nitrite Salt lethal too? Maybe a bigger qty

 

[stilhavinightmares]

Has anyone in the US purchased SN successfully lately without receiving a "wellness check" from the police? I see chemical suppliers that I can purchase from online, but I really don't want to get dragged to the psych ward. I read in the PPH that it has happened to some people. If anyone has ordered it lately with no issue could they PM me the website? Thanks.

Also looking to find this out. But also can't figure out who's selling legit ones currently; it's hard to keep up!

 

[lina0613]

Reliable sources to the US?

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

I have a question about shelf life, many people have said that shelf life goes far beyond the typical 3 years if the container is sealed and has not been opened. But is there any way of knowing if the product is still viable or not without breaking the seal and testing it, thus reducing the shelf life further? I do not want a nasty surprise.

 

[Circles]

I have a question about shelf life, many people have said that shelf life goes far beyond the typical 3 years if the container is sealed and has not been opened. But is there any way of knowing if the product is still viable or not without breaking the seal and testing it, thus reducing the shelf life further? I do not want a nasty surprise.

I have SN that's over 4 years old and I recently asked this question. But as you'll see I still have concerns over it.

Confused about SN shelf life and expiration dates.

Apologies beforehand I am extremely anxious about this. I have SN that’s over 4 years old by now and yes I did almost everything besides using glass jars as far as I have read to make sure it’s sealed, bagged, put up in a dark cool space, etc. I have two that I haven't opened and one in which I...

sanctioned-suicide.net

The only 'sources' I've seen were on meat curing forums and subreddits related to culinary and meats. I've asked about SN shelf life recently in one subreddit asking the same question and the responses all said that it lasts much longer than the expiration date.

Now the main reason for my concern and the reason why I put sources in quotes is because the only evidence I've found IMO seemed anecdotal evidence on forums with no data from people who used SN for meat curing and such. I haven't seen any scientific articles that have stated it is good way past the expiration date especially many years or even indefinite as you'll see posted on SS if you search for it. To this day I haven't seen any definitive answer with data to back it up. Now does that mean it's not true? I don't know, but for myself I'm still going to try it even if it has less potency.

 

[DreamEnd]

I have SN that's over 4 years old and I recently asked this question. But as you'll see I still have concerns over it.

Confused about SN shelf life and expiration dates.

Apologies beforehand I am extremely anxious about this. I have SN that’s over 4 years old by now and yes I did almost everything besides using glass jars as far as I have read to make sure it’s sealed, bagged, put up in a dark cool space, etc. I have two that I haven't opened and one in which I...

sanctioned-suicide.net

The only 'sources' I've seen were on meat curing forums and subreddits related to culinary and meats. I've asked about SN shelf life recently in one subreddit asking the same question and the responses all said that it lasts much longer than the expiration date.

Now the main reason for my concern and the reason why I put sources in quotes is because the only evidence I've found IMO seemed anecdotal evidence on forums with no data from people who used SN for meat curing and such. I haven't seen any scientific articles that have stated it is good way past the expiration date especially many years or even indefinite as you'll see posted on SS if you search for it. To this day I haven't seen any definitive answer with data to back it up. Now does that mean it's not true? I don't know, but for myself I'm still going to try it even if it has less potency.

I have had mine since October 2021