Resource SN megathread

[Wantingpeace]

In the August edition of ppeh he says is unlikely to vomit?? This is very strange..many accounts of vomiting?

 

[Sasha]

Where can I get SN? I have already checked Ebay & Amazon, but they do not do international shipping & the ones which do are pricey.

 

[Querry1]

Where can I get SN? I have already checked Ebay & Amazon, but they do not do international shipping & the ones which do are pricey.

Check yoir local chemical shops, there have to be plenty of there, it's just salt

 

[Lunar]

Where can I get SN? I have already checked Ebay & Amazon, but they do not do international shipping & the ones which do are pricey.

I believe this should be fine? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sodium-N...14948c6ef:m:myPLwXPKwzs9RjdjOsIgaOQ:rk:1:pf:0

If anyone else would like to confirm that's OK to use then please do so. There's also APC Pure (I got mine from there and it came with a data sheet). Both of those sellers are in the UK.

You could also see if there are any local chemical shops near you as Querry1 said, you'd want to look for NaNO2, NNaO2 or Filmerine (mentioned in the opening post).

 

[Delaying]

I believe this should be fine? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sodium-N...14948c6ef:m:myPLwXPKwzs9RjdjOsIgaOQ:rk:1:pf:0

If anyone else would like to confirm that's OK to use then please do so. There's also APC Pure (I got mine from there and it came with a data sheet). Both of those sellers are in the UK.

You could also see if there are any local chemical shops near you as Querry1 said, you'd want to look for NaNO2, NNaO2 or Filmerine (mentioned in the opening post).

I reveived some from the linked page. However it was sent from Poland instead of from the UK for some reason.

 

[Deutschv2]

In the August edition of ppeh he says is unlikely to vomit?? This is very strange..many accounts of vomiting?

Nearly every report [without use of antiemetic] includes vomiting with sodium nitrite poisoning.

This response suggest ppeh contain misleading info, i agree with you in that it is very strange. Hopefully we can get more info on this. Optionally you can take gel capsules I believe that would stop vomiting but not certain.

 

[Wantingpeace]

The Aug 2018 ppeh just says 3 x 10mg anti emetic an hour before? Where are other people getting the two day schedule?

 

[Deutschv2]

The Aug 2018 ppeh just says 3 x 10mg anti emetic an hour before? Where are other people getting the two day schedule?

Dignitas and Philip Nitschke says stat dose (1 dose prior to drug overdose) is ok, general consensus is that anti emetic regimen (taking several doses over some days) is more effective, but seeing that PPEH and Dignitas use stat dose, it could be an option too

 

[Wantingpeace]

Dignitas and Philip Nitschke says stat dose (1 dose prior to drug overdose) is ok, general consensus is that anti emetic regimen (taking several doses over some days) is more effective, but seeing that PPEH and Dignitas use stat dose, it could be an option too

Thank you

I keep forgetting which thread this is on, but somewhere it says that diazepam in particular cancels out tagamet or the anti emetic..anyone know where this is? Thanks

 

[Lifeisatrap]

Is it possible to mix sn with alcohol or will that just dilute it entirely?

 

[Sayo]

Is it possible to mix sn with alcohol or will that just dilute it entirely?

I wouldn't do it due to the possibility of it reacting a bit and turning the nitrite into something else, never mind the dilution.

It should just be salty anyway.

 

[jizz676]

can this method be painful doing it without errors? somebody survived?

 

[Wantingpeace]

Thank you

I keep forgetting which thread this is on, but somewhere it says that diazepam in particular cancels out tagamet or the anti emetic..anyone know where this is? Thanks

Can anyone remember?

 

[meowcat]

This post will be dedicated to compiling all the information we have on the Sodium Nitrite method (SN), including what else is needed and comparing it to other popular methods.

Before starting, I HIGHLY encourage you read most, if not all, of the chapters on the PPH, as this method may not be the most suited for you.

First of all, let's discuss why this method works, and how it kills.

Spoiler: The effects of Sodium Nitrite

Sodium Nitrite, NaNO2, acts as a catalyst in the conversion of the hemoglobin in your blood into methemoglobin (MetHB), a molecule with a much higher affinity with oxygen. This occurs when the ferrous ions in the regular hemoglobin are converted into ferric ones.
Since it's affinity is so high, methemoglobin cannot let the oxygen flow into other tissues that need it, thus depriving them of oxygen even while you're breathing. Death, then, occurs by hypoxia.
Sodium Nitrite poisoning symptoms include nausea, vertigo, vomiting, very heavy headaches and, should you manage to not pass out for too long, seizures.
The PPH claims that, during a monitored suicide with SN, the patient was unconscious at 12 minutes and dead by 35. However, some sources claim that SN poisoning might take as much as 8 hours to kill, probably due to low dosage.
Since methemoglobin creation is a natural process in our bodies, you must be aware that a certain enzyme works to transform it back into hemoglobin again. This is why the recommended dosage has varied on the PPH so much, as the syntetization of these enzymes and their "power" to overcome the formation of MetHB depends purely on your body, thus making a normal, general dose for all who chose this method very hard to determine, unlike N.

As for the physical symptoms your body will experience, not much will really change. Since your blood will mainly be MetHB, it will take on a bluish chocolate brown color, and the tips of your fingers, toes and nose (amongst others) will turn slightly blue from cyanosis.

Now, lets take a look at the "shopping cart".

Spoiler: What is needed for this method?

You'll need the following:

SN: The main compund for this method, Sodium Nitrite is easy enough to find. You're looking for >98% purity Nitrite. This chemical is sold without regulation and can be bought from Amazon, Ebay or any lab supplier in your area. 100 grams cost between 8 and 10€. This chemical is completely legal to own and is used during curation of meats to preserve their color. It's described as "White to yellowish powder/crystals" and it's said to have "slightly salty taste". It is also very soluble in water.
The recommended dose from the PPH is 15 grams, however, this has increased on different issues, from only 5, to 12 and now to 15.
Very important: You're looking for Sodium Nitrite, not Sodium Nitrate; NaNO2, not NaNO3.
Should you not find it just by looking up Sodium Nitrite, look for: NaNO2, NNaO2 or Filmerine. Make sure you're buying what you want and that it's purity is high enough. For more information on it plus some industrial sellers, check Sodium Nitrite on Pubchem.

Antiemetics: Strong enough antiemetics for this method are not OTC, so you'll need to see your way around this. You're looking for Metoclopramide or any of it's commercial names, like Reglan/Primperan. This antiemetic needs to be a Dopamine blocker for it to work.
Antiemetics aren't 100% necessary for this method, however; just like with N, you wont accomplish anything if you end up puking it all out, which is likely. This will also most likely be the bulk of the money you'll use during this method.

Acid Regulators: Another thing recommended in the PPH is raising your stomach's pH to make the SN more effective. This can be accomplished with drugs like Tagamet (The one recommended on the PPH, 800mg, which is to my knowledge OTC) or even bicarbonate, though not as effective.

Spoiler: A few extra comments

I recently got asked a few things regarding SN. First of all, you must know that the effects of this poisoning are completely reversible. It is very unlikely that you will have any permanent damage should you be "saved" during your attempt. Secondly, since this method relies on hypoxia, cardiovascular problems will reduce the amount of MetHB in blood needed to actually kill you. This, however, shouldnt really be a problem since it is sold starting from 100 grams, far more than the amount needed.

Lastly, there have been cases of people recovering from SN poisoning without any "side effects", but even if the ambulance is called soon enough, it is not certain that you will survive.

Should you have any question you can't find the answer of, please comment it and maybe you'll find someone on this community who knows.
Also, should you have any more information you'd like to share, please post it and tag me so I can edit this post and get it included. Thank you.

Could this be done when drunk just to help pass out quicker so as to avoid any effects such as headache?

 

[JosiahB]

What the flip this guy is really shelling bucks out of desperate people isn't he??

Dr Nitschke has dedicated his life to helping terminally ill people to end their life peacefully. He is not doing this to enrich himself. The Capetown Nutech conference which included this session on lethal salts cost a lot of money to bring off and it's reasonable that he solicits payment to compensate for his expenses.

 

[couldntthinkofaname]

if that answer has already been answered i apologize but

can you expect any long lasting sideeffects in case this methods fail? braindamage etc?

 

[couldntthinkofaname]

someone just claimed in another thread you could end up blind and/or braindamaged

 

[samsays89]

if that answer has already been answered i apologize but

can you expect any long lasting sideeffects in case this methods fail? braindamage etc?

I researched a lot of cases and either you call for help and survive without damage or you die. I haven't come across a single case of a survivor with brain damage, although there are several cases of people accidentally taking less than the lethal dose and dying from complications after vomiting and defecation.

As for the pain, I don't think it would be that bad, here's an interesting case of a three way suicide pact where only one person went for help due to pain and survived, while the others managed to cope with it. I think if he was able to go get help, the pain must have not been that bad, maybe like a cramp or something.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/530790.shtml

 

[Revok]

You will be hard pressed to find a method that doesn't have have the potential to mess you up if it fails. You are trying to damage your body in a way that will kill it after all, so anything that ends up getting you only partway there, due to being rescued, an error on your behalf, or just bad luck, has the potential to leave damage, sometimes permanent. This is true for any method.

 

[JosiahB]

I researched a lot of cases and either you call for help and survive without damage or you die. I haven't come across a single case of a survivor with brain damage, although there are several cases of people accidentally taking less than the lethal dose and dying from complications after vomiting and defecation.

As for the pain, I don't think it would be that bad, here's an interesting case of a three way suicide pact where only one person went for help due to pain and survived, while the others managed to cope with it. I think if he was able to go get help, the pain must have not been that bad, maybe like a cramp or something.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/530790.shtml

The case of the three young men clearly states they ingested Sodium Nitrate which is a different chemical from the recommended Exit substance which is Sodium Nitrite. NaNO3 is sodium nitrate NaNO2 is sodium nitrite That one extra oxygen atom makes a lot of difference.

 

[couldntthinkofaname]

from the way it works (as i understand it) it seems to work similiar to carbonmonoxide..and should have similar long lasting side effects in case of surviving no?

i mean if no oxygen arrives the brain you know what will happen

 

[Wantingpeace]

I know you have to fast before sn but what about drinking water?

 

[Wantingpeace]

The case of the three young men clearly states they ingested Sodium Nitrate which is a different chemical from the recommended Exit substance which is Sodium Nitrite. NaNO3 is sodium nitrate NaNO2 is sodium nitrite That one extra oxygen atom makes a lot of difference.

Do you mean nitrate? Oh know maybe got this wrong

 

[JosiahB]

Do you mean nitrate? Oh know maybe got this wrong

The substance this thread is about is sodium nitrite. This is the substance reputed to offer a peaceful Exit.

 

[samsays89]

Do you mean nitrate? Oh know maybe got this wrong

Sodium Nitrite is correct. Sodium Nitrate is not and you don't want to use it.

Looking back at the article it had Nitrite once and Nitrate twice so I'm not sure exactly what they took.

 

[Lunar]

Thank you

I keep forgetting which thread this is on, but somewhere it says that diazepam in particular cancels out tagamet or the anti emetic..anyone know where this is? Thanks

Is this the thread you're looking for?

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sodium-nitrite-attempt.2902/page-2

 

[scales]

The October edition of the PPeH (pic attached) mentions this OTC anti-emetic. Would this be useful for SN?

 

[samsays89]

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The October edition of the PPeH (pic attached) mentions this OTC anti-emetic. Would this be useful for SN?

Ok I did some research. I work in IT and have no training in biology other than a college course, so someone should check all of this.

Dramamine is composed of Diphenhydramine and 8-Chlorotheophylline. Diphenhydramine is an antihistamine so it targets histamine receptors, which can include smooth muscle relaxation and reduce itching and irritation. So it can relax your stomach and stop you from feeling irritation and help avoid vomiting: it does have some antiemetic properties. 8-Chlorotheophyline is a stimulant which will help get Diphenhydramine into your system. Diphenhydramine is the active ingredient in Benadryl, if you've ever taken that. It also increases power of alcohol and benzos.

However, an antiemetic dopamine antagonist, like Metoclopramide, specifically blocks dopamine D2 receptors in your brain to stop a vomit reaction. So regardless of stimuli from the stomach, you probably won't vomit.

To summarize, Dramamine stops you from feeling nauseated, relaxes your stomach, maybe helps block irritation and pain, but doesn't specifically tell your brain "don't vomit", just "don't feel sick". The alternative of Metoclopramide, seems to tell your brain "don't vomit".

 

[scales]

Ok I did some research. I work in IT and have no training in biology other than a college course, so someone should check all of this.

Dramamine is composed of Diphenhydramine and 8-Chlorotheophylline. Diphenhydramine is an antihistamine so it targets histamine receptors, which can include smooth muscle relaxation and reduce itching and irritation. So it can relax your stomach and stop you from feeling irritation and help avoid vomiting: it does have some antiemetic properties. 8-Chlorotheophyline is a stimulant which will help get Diphenhydramine into your system. Diphenhydramine is the active ingredient in Benadryl, if you've ever taken that. It also increases power of alcohol and benzos.

However, an antiemetic dopamine antagonist, like Metoclopramide, specifically blocks dopamine D2 receptors in your brain to stop a vomit reaction. So regardless of stimuli from the stomach, you probably won't vomit.

To summarize, Dramamine stops you from feeling nauseated, relaxes your stomach, maybe helps block irritation and pain, but doesn't specifically tell your brain "don't vomit", just "don't feel sick". The alternative of Metoclopramide, seems to tell your brain "don't vomit".

Wow this is incredibly informative and very well explained, thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to research it and explain it so well.

 

[Lunar]

Thank you for the information, samsays89.

I also saw someone mention in another thread that Dramamine won't work, it needs to be a dopamine blocker which is why Metoclopramide (Maxolon; Primperan) is recommended.