Resource SN megathread

[Meditation guide]

Extrapyramidal symptoms - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I'm not willing to risk that side effect. And as someone who vomits extremely easily I'm sure if SN hit my stomach it would immediately be rejected violently.

 

[Living sucks]

I am moving this post here bcuz it was in the debreather thread but belongs here
About propanolol, antacids and SN

Please donate to online Wikis to save Philip & Fiona.

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Quarky may request a kind of author rights ?

Note they're making fun of us "sources", arguing about "luxury items", while we actually SERVE them oftentimes.

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About the N chapter, I also really should consider asking for royalties cause I'm the trigger origin of at least 2 moves

To remember, at the 5 years trackrecord of intensive Wiki reading, you could postulate for doctor's licencing as professional equivalence.

Kuddos to the audacity : "Don't forget to support free knowledge" !!! That's what we do at SS & what you don't Can we setup a Donate button urgently ?

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edit : I posted SN stuff here (+ some sarcasm, allright), after failing to retrieve the appropriate SN thread mentioning the repeated dosing down of SN, where I wanted to post it (search engine broken again). Discussion follow-up here plz

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-megathread.1156/page-210#post-741246

 

[Living sucks]

Wow ... bullying a bedridden, sick, suicidal, desperate person coming for help at one of the lowest points of their life. You're as classless and low as it gets. The mods need to start cleaning up the scourge of passive aggressive trolls that infest way too many posts.

I took what that member was posting to others and turned it around on them. Only after I had provided a link and info to them explaining the answers to their questions. And other posts linking them to sources they needed to take time to read.

This information is about taking your own life. Each person should gather their facts from the sources and not from what others say. Too many people here are giving bad advice bcuz they haven't done due diligence in research.

That user actually took my post really well and even said lol to the post that was the most critical of them.

But you're right I was critical of them. I needed to slow that user down and get their attention to read the info they needed just like they told another user to do.
After several responses to them, not just this thread btw, I used a harsher method to respond to get their attention.

I spend a great deal of hours providing info to members so they don't mess up or get hurt further.

I appreciate the feedback and thoughts.
you are entitled to your opinion and expression as is everyone else here. Passive aggressive troll I am not. I am pretty direct and supportive.

 

[Meditation guide]

The mods need to start cleaning up the scourge of passive aggressive trolls that infest way too many posts.

I agree. It's shocking to me how some people answer others here who are obviously in distress.

As I said in another thread a site like this, with desperate people, is easy pickings for bullies. And it's easy to see who they are.

 

[autumnal]

I took what that member was posting to others and turned it around on them. Only after I had provided a link and info to them explaining the answers to their questions. And other posts linking them to sources they needed to take time to read.

This information is about taking your own life. Each person should gather their facts from the sources and not from what others say. Too many people here are giving bad advice bcuz they haven't done due diligence in research.

That user actually took my post really well and even said lol to the post that was the most critical of them.

But you're right I was critical of them. I needed to slow that user down and get their attention to read the info they needed just like they told another user to do.
After several responses to them, not just this thread btw, I used a harsher method to respond to get their attention.

I spend a great deal of hours providing info to members so they don't mess up or get hurt further.

I appreciate the feedback and thoughts.
you are entitled to your opinion and expression as is everyone else here. Passive aggressive troll I am not. I am pretty direct and supportive.

Fully in support of @Living sucks here. @AnniesHideaway, just because this board is about suicide does not mean that behaviour that wouldn't be encouraged elsewhere should be encouraged here merely because being on this board somehow makes people automatically vulnerable. This board is about support, but it is not about a lack of personal responsibility or wrapping people in cotton wool. If a member floods with posts instead of slowing down and reading the information already provided to them, there is no reason why they can't be told to start reading and stop posting. And bluntly so, if required.

Furthermore, as a good rule of thumb, the fact that the member in question was fine with this response but only other members were getting outraged on their behalf suggests your criticism is likely unwarranted.

 

[tmcglone25]

How long does it take before you pass out?

 

[Living sucks]

Approx 20 minutes.

read SN attempts success/ failure thread for anecdotes

 

[Meditation guide]

"the ability to significantly increase the toxic properties of the salt by simple (available) supplements."

I found this mentioned in an old volume of PPH. Can anyone tell me what those supplements would be?

 

[Saed]

"the ability to significantly increase the toxic properties of the salt by simple (available) supplements."

I found this mentioned in an old volume of PPH. Can anyone tell me what those supplements would be?

Was this written prior to the establishment of a regimen? If so,I'd imagine it refers to antacids,potentiaters such as Propranolol etc
The substances we now use alongside SN.

 

[I want to end it]

I've been storing the SN in a chest of drawers in a bag. The container of SN is unopened. But it has been hot weather over the past couple of months. Do you think this has affected the SN at all?

 

[autumnal]

How long does it take before you pass out?

Have you read both of these resources?

The two most important SN resources you MUST read (PPH/Stan's Guide) | Sanctioned Suicide

 

[x-Ace-x]

I've been storing the SN in a chest of drawers in a bag. The container of SN is unopened. But it has been hot weather over the past couple of months. Do you think this has affected the SN at all?

SN is not reactive (only to moisture, heat, strong acid/base).

SN is much more durable than you may think. I opened a ziplock bag multiple times for testing and it wasn't airtight 100%, yet the tests results were always perfect. As long as it doesn't contact moisture, it'll be fine.

I think it would be much better to use a search function before asking these common questions multiple times.

 

[I want to end it]

SN is much more durable than you may think. I opened a ziplock bag multiple times for testing and it wasn't airtight 100%, yet the tests results were always perfect. As long as it doesn't contact moisture, it'll be fine.

I think it would be much better to use a search function before asking these common questions multiple times.

Thank you. Sorry for asking. I could find information about heat and moisture but nothing related to hot weather.

 

[Meditation guide]

to the establishment of a regimen?

Can someone put a link to this regimen please? I've read quite a bit in this thread but haven't seen it given, aside from people saying they took things before making an attempt. Thanks.

 

[WhatIsMyLife]

Can someone put a link to this regimen please? I've read quite a bit in this thread but haven't seen it given, aside from people saying they took things before making an attempt. Thanks.

This is the best guide.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/stans-guide-to-sn.27535/

 

[Meditation guide]

Here is the complete paragraph I saw about supplements making SN more potent but I do not have the date it was written although it was sometime in the last 3 years:


The collapse of the Chinese pentobarbital market in 2017 has prompted a re-examination of nitrite.

Clearly availability and legality are attractive characteristics. Simple storage and administration are also desirable properties, as is the ability to significantly increase the toxic properties of the salt by simple (available) supplements.

Concerns persist though about adverse symptoms and reliability. The use of nitrite in pig populations has been explained by the low level of methemoglobin reductase in pigs. This enzyme level is higher in humans making them (theoretically) less susceptible.


I have read several accounts of suicide attempts by SN and what struck me was how some people survived large amounts while lessor amounts did the job for other people. There was a lot of variability among individuals on how their bodies handled the SN. Some who had lethal amounts in their systems that would have killed most people didn't die, while others who had smaller amounts that most people would survive did die.

So people with lower levels of the enzyme methemoglobin will die faster than those with higher levels apparently.

 

[Living sucks]

Those supplements are antacid, antiemetics, pain reliever, and now heart meds. Per the regimen to decrease symptoms and potentiate the SN
They don't mean supplements as in vitamins

Here is the complete paragraph I saw about supplements making SN more potent but I do not have the date it was written although it was sometime in the last 3 years:


The collapse of the Chinese pentobarbital market in 2017 has prompted a re-examination of nitrite.

Clearly availability and legality are attractive characteristics. Simple storage and administration are also desirable properties, as is the ability to significantly increase the toxic properties of the salt by simple (available) supplements.

Concerns persist though about adverse symptoms and reliability. The use of nitrite in pig populations has been explained by the low level of methemoglobin reductase in pigs. This enzyme level is higher in humans making them (theoretically) less susceptible.


I have read several accounts of suicide attempts by SN and what struck me was how some people survived large amounts while lessor amounts did the job for other people. There was a lot of variability among individuals on how their bodies handled the SN. Some who had lethal amounts in their systems that would have killed most people didn't die, while others who had smaller amounts that most people would survive did die.

So people with lower levels of the enzyme methemoglobin will die faster than those with higher levels apparently.

 

[Meditation guide]

heart meds

That racing heartbeat that SN causes is the most or the only really distressing side effect aside from vomiting. To have your heart rate zoom up to over 150 beats a minute would be panic inducing.

It sounds like the vomiting does not actually reduce the effectiveness of SN. I personally wouldn't be able to again swallow a second round of SN after vomiting up the first one, with my heart racing wildly.

 

[Holloet]

What happens if you fail but don't get medical attention?

Also, why does the wiki mention that foods rich in polyphenols "boost NO production from nitrite"? Is this even important?

 

[Living sucks]

What happens if you fail but don't get medical attention?

Also, why does the wiki mention that foods rich in polyphenols "boost NO production from nitrite"? Is this even important?

Don't follow wiki. It's is not a reliable source as it is editable. You just have to avoid vit c the day of using SN.

If you fail, that means you live. Only you will know if you need medical attn or not. And that would be determined at the time in which you fail or if you change your mind.

FWIW Just bcuz one calls or seeks medical attn doesn't guarantee being saved either.

 

[Holloet]

Well the FAQs on here says "you either die or recover", but it also says you can only recover with medical attention. So what if you had bad symptoms but didn't get treatment? Would you eventually just die?

 

[Living sucks]

Well the FAQs on here says "you either die or recover", but it also says you can only recover with medical attention. So what if you had bad symptoms but didn't get treatment? Would you eventually just die?

If you follow at least an 8 hour fast and take 20-25g SN and don't get medical attn within 30-60 mins you will die.

If you vomit it immediately and somehow not die .. and don't get medical attn no one knows what will happen to you or not happen to you.
If you eat a big meal and an hour later decide you want to take 25g SN.. you might have severe symptoms and not die.. no one knows what will happen to you, no one can tell you what may happen or not happen.

you're asking questions that people here cannot answer. So you have to follow the regimen The best you can and do what is necessary and the outcome should be what you want.

 

[Meditation guide]

I don't see any accounts of someone who lived through it without going to the hospital. Not to say it hasn't happened though. When the heart starts racing it induces a panic, at least in me it does. I have a problem with sudden heart racing and it's not pleasant. Mine will zoom up to 140 suddenly.

I read it can go up to 200 with SN. So that's going to cause high blood pressure too probably. Dangerous in itself.

 

[Saed]

I don't see any accounts of someone who lived through it without going to the hospital. Not to say it hasn't happened though. When the heart starts racing it induces a panic, at least in me it does. I have a problem with sudden heart racing and it's not pleasant. Mine will zoom up to 140 suddenly.

I read it can go up to 200 with SN. So that's going to cause high blood pressure too probably. Dangerous in itself.

Propranonlol should offset this,which was the original reason PN added it to the regimen.

 

[autumnal]

Can someone put a link to this regimen please? I've read quite a bit in this thread but haven't seen it given, aside from people saying they took things before making an attempt. Thanks.

You really need to read both of the key resources, or else you are setting yourself up for failure.

The two most important SN resources you MUST read (PPH/Stan's Guide) | Sanctioned Suicide

 

[Meditation guide]

Propranonlol should offset this,which was the original reason PN added it to the regimen.

Do you mean it helps with the anxiety or with keeping the heart from racing? I fear a stroke or heart attack with that kind of heart rate.

 

[autumnal]

Do you mean it helps with the anxiety or with keeping the heart from racing? I fear a stroke or heart attack with that kind of heart rate.

It lowers the heart rate. Have you read both the PPH and Stan's Guide?

The two most important SN resources you MUST read (PPH/Stan's Guide) | Sanctioned Suicide

 

[InterstateFlowers]

Hello, I've read both the PPH and Stan's Guide but I still have one question.

Background: I've vomited every medication that's been prescribed to me by my doctor because I took it on an empty stomach. I don't know why but if I take anything that's not OTC and my stomach is empty, I'll feel incredibly nauseous and vomit. I can't even take my antidepressants on an empty stomach or else I'll vomit it out. I'm pretty sure I'll vomit the metoclopramide before it even takes affect too.

Can I still die from SN poisoning if my stomach isn't completely empty?

I'm not planning on taking a big meal and doing a stat dose a few hours later. I just don't want to be completely starving so I don't vomit everything out. I'm planning to offset this by taking 800mg of cimetidine (brand name: Tagamet HB and OTC in the US) and increasing the absorption of SN to my bloodstream.

 

[autumnal]

Hello, I've read both the PPH and Stan's Guide but I still have one question.

Background: I've vomited every medication that's been prescribed to me by my doctor because I took it on an empty stomach. I don't know why but if I take anything that's not OTC and my stomach is empty, I'll feel incredibly nauseous and vomit. I can't even take my antidepressants on an empty stomach or else I'll vomit it out. I'm pretty sure I'll vomit the metoclopramide before it even takes affect too.

Can I still die from SN poisoning if my stomach isn't completely empty?

I'm not planning on taking a big meal and doing a stat dose a few hours later. I just don't want to be completely starving so I don't vomit everything out. I'm planning to offset this by taking 800mg of cimetidine (brand name: Tagamet HB and OTC in the US) and increasing the absorption of SN to my bloodstream.

I would suggest it is very risky to avoid the fasting requirement inherent to all SN protocols. A number of the failed SN attempts documented on the forum have involved people who failed to fast properly, either due to ignorance of the need to follow protocol, or a highly impulsive attempt after a recent meal.

Odds are the reason you vomit (only) prescription medications on an empty stomach is because it happened once by coincidence, and you have subsequently conditioned yourself to expect it and feel anxiety that it will happen on every occasion.

By virtue of being an antiemetic, meto does obviously come in suppository form, which I guess you could consider as an option. Although you'd obviously want to practice the technique of administering this to yourself beforehand, so as not to chicken out or mess it up at the crucial stage.

It's certainly not impossible that you can still die from SN without your stomach being completely empty, but it makes it very unlikely. It also makes the entire process slower, which will mean a longer period of suffering before either your death or your eventual survival.

 

[Saed]

Am in total agreement with @autumnal here.
As I understand it,having food in your stomach would make it more likely that the stomach acid would convert the Sodium Nitrite to NitrAte.
Exacerbated by the fact food would delay absorbtion.
I am phrasing it in overly-simplistic terms,but that's about the crux of it.

We're in a similar position insofar as,I have zero ability to discern whether my stomach is full or empty. Long,disgraceful story...