Resource SN megathread

[phoenitic_riser]

Starting to research this method.

132 pages of posts on this superthread is daunting to wade through but I skimmed through the 8ch thread. Some person(s) post(s) very detailed and authoritative sounding info on there with lots of citations and commentary, etc. One idea expressed was that even the pph/wiki recommended acid reducers (H2 antogonist) are not a good idea as they delay loss of consciousness. Another theory floated is that less stomach acid lowers the bio-availability of Domperidone (which is quite low to begin with). I don't have the skill set to tell whether these claims have merit. Anyone here with insight into these aspects?

 

[Thorn]

Unlike assisted suicide, doing it on your own is going to be somewhat chaotic. When/what/how much you eat makes a difference. For example, I usually eat every other day, and I don't think much about acid reducers, besides, they are marked as optional. If you do take them, it is well after anti-e's and should not mess things up that much. I take all my meds always on empty stomach, because otherwise they are more useless than hopes, dreams, and wishes. At the same time, you would want to be fully conscious, when you throw up. The time with this method is a sacrifice, while not pleasant, when everything else has been done correctly, it does not matter.

 

[Pointlesslife]

Talking about weight and doses.. I have 110kilograms and 1.81cm. Should I raise the standard amount? Probably yes, but for how much? 25g, 30g?

Is there any risk to doing higher amounts? At what amount does it start becoming dangerous? Anyone know the answer to this?

 

[jake3d]

I skimmed through the 8ch thread. Some person(s) post(s) very detailed and authoritative sounding info on there with lots of citations and commentary, etc. One idea expressed was that even the pph/wiki recommended acid reducers (H2 antogonist) are not a good idea as they delay loss of consciousness. Another theory floated is that less stomach acid lowers the bio-availability of Domperidone (which is quite low to begin with). I don't have the skill set to tell whether these claims have merit. Anyone here with insight into these aspects?

People on here have done domperidone + anti-acid. They are no longer with us. It works. Can't say anything about the bioavailability of domperidone, just that it's slightly weaker than meto and should be used together with a 5-HT3 antagonist like ondansetron (Zofran) to fully emulate meto. I have lost my best friend on here to SN, she took domperidone with ondansetron for antiemetic and cimetidine for anti-acid. I hope she is now in a better place.

Is there any risk to doing higher amounts? At what amount does it start becoming dangerous? Anyone know the answer to this?

It is hard enough to keep 20g of this stuff down for any reasonable length of time despite the use of the proper anti-emetics. My guess is that your body will simply react violently to any more and you will throw it up instantly. You can go ahead and try.

It starts getting dangerous at 5g. You may still die after only consuming 5g of the stuff only that it'll be slower and possibly more painful. If you take an overdose of benzos to sleep thru it, the less you take, the lower risk of vomiting. But generally, most people have taken 15-25g.

I've sampled some of mine (because some people said it tastes like shit, and I had no idea what shit tastes like, maybe I would find out), and it just tasted like plain old table salt. If yours tastes bad it's likely contaminated with something else, I have chemically tested mine to be pure as claimed on the label.

 

[Roger]

As part of the preparations, I wonder if taking practice doses of normal table salt ( NaCl) in similar concentrations to a fatal NaNo2 dose might accustom oneself to the sort of taste, and effort required to down the final draught ?

 

[jake3d]

^ ^ This has actually been talked about and tried before. 20g of NaCl will not make you puke but neither will it give you a good time as even the plain ole table salt is somewhat toxic if you swallow that much at once. It seems unnecessary to me.

With SN, if you throw up, have another dose prepared if you're fully committed to ending your life, or call an ambulance if you have changed your mind.

 

[not_a_robot]

Dig around and you'll find plenty of reports of accidental deaths, a few suicides and also use as a murder weapon.
Is, not was, and yeah. That "somebody" who decided to publish it as a reasonably painless suicide method is Philip Nitschke

I'm worried about mine. It is from a canine predator of maximum volume, but site listing changed to food grade. Pkg still say for industrial/scientific use.
99.4% pure.

 

[jake3d]

I'm worried about mine. It is from a canine predator of maximum volume

Maybe there is something up with that but if the listing changed after you bought yours... it'll do the job. My friend whom I mentioned above had the same.

 

[Thorn]

Maybe there is something up with that but if the listing changed after you bought yours... it'll do the job. My friend whom I mentioned above had the same.

It seems that there is something it the works to restrict availability of this particular chemical to private individuals.

 

[phoenitic_riser]

People on here have done domperidone + anti-acid. They are no longer with us. It works. Can't say anything about the bioavailability of domperidone, just that it's slightly weaker than meto and should be used together with a 5-HT3 antagonist like ondansetron (Zofran) to fully emulate meto. I have lost my best friend on here to SN, she took domperidone with ondansetron for antiemetic and cimetidine for anti-acid. I hope she is now in a better place.

Thank you. May I ask the username of your friend?

 

[jake3d]

No, because it will not give you any more information than you can find by reading the megathread, 8ch and using google.

She did everything on chat so there is nothing to look for.

 

[Roger]

^ ^ This has actually been talked about and tried before. 20g of NaCl will not make you puke but neither will it give you a good time as even the plain ole table salt is somewhat toxic if you swallow that much at once. It seems unnecessary to me.

I would have thought that 20g NaCl would induce vomiting - drinking salty water and sticking fingers down the throat are two of the classic rough 'n' ready ways of inducing vomiting (though I have never seen anybody measure out and weigh the salt !) .

I can recall reading of a few cases where NaCl has been used to kill children, one in Alabama IIRC, and some in UK. Murder and manslaughter proceedings ensued. In one of these cases ( I googled it) the amount administered was given as "four teaspoonfuls", which - if accurate - would equate to a little over 22g.

Another couple of thoughts arise.

Thought 1. Whilst I stand ready to be corrected, I seem to remember that cumulative doses were given in some of these NaCl killing cases, and that has me wondering about how quickly NaCl and NaNo2 would be naturally excreted if given in sublethal doses ? And would this open up the possibility of accumulating a fatal total body loading over the course of several smaller nonlethal doses.

Thought 2. The desirability of having an empty as possible stomach prior to taking NaN02: I have found over many years that Magnesium Sulphate (US English = Sulfate) MgSO4 aka Epsom Salts has a remarkable laxative effect. You do not want to be too far from a toilet when you ingest this stuff, dissolved in water - it tastes bad, but I cannot ever remember having any other ill effects other than occasional mild and quite bearable stomach cramps.

Thought 3. This isn't an original thought, (I picked up on it from the wozz handbook). Taking any powder or granulated substance might be eased by mixing with something like custard or yogurt rather than dissolved in water may make things a bit easier.

And now a point rather than a thought; questions have been asked about adjusting dosages for body weight. Wozz suggests that all the normal doses apply to body weights within the range 60 - 100 kg. Doses (it says) should be reduced or increased by 10% for each 10kg body weight below or above those parameters.

A final point is that wozz strongly recommends a regimen of anti-emetics (over 36 hours) and makes no mention of stat dosing.

I offer all these observations for contemplation, comment and consideration - I claim no expertise.

 

[jake3d]

That's the point of meto. One of the ways it prevents vomiting is by speeding up gastric emptying so it is somewhat of a laxative. Certainly was the case for me.

From what I read since I have been on here, people successful on their journey towards death with SN have all kept a regimen. Stat dose is only reasonably effective for N imho. Dignitas uses stat meto in their assisted death protocol so that's where it originates from, but they have never used any other poison than N so how that works with other substances is unknown.

I don't think SN builds up in the body, the whole point of taking such a dramatic overdose is that the overwhelming of the body's enzyme that metabolizes MetHb back into Hb has to be done quickly, otherwise the body's natural mechanisms will purge the poison by itself. I have tasted my SN twice yesterday and I don't feel any different.

 

[Going Home]

Sodium Nitrite

Hello Azure, I have looked but cannot find the answer. Does SN sometimes appear pink? I found something affordable but it looks pinkish???

 

[jake3d]

It is sometimes dyed pink to distinguish it from normal salt, but what google says about pink SN is that it is "curing salt", 6.25%. Not encouraging. Pure SN is either white, flakey and clumpy or slightly yellowish.

 

[Marianne]

Hello Azure, I have looked but cannot find the answer. Does SN sometimes appear pink? I found something affordable but it looks pinkish???

What jake3d said, pink SN is curing salt used for food and has low potency. What you want is anything listed as 95% pure or above. It's usually in the listing somewhere.

 

[Going Home]

What jake3d said, pink SN is curing salt used for food and has low potency. What you want is anything listed as 95% pure or above. It's usually in the listing somewhere.

Sorry I missed that info.
Thank you very much Marianne. I will look for 95% pure or above.

 

[Roger]

I think that the pink stuff maybe "Prague Powder" which is primarily normal table salt, (NaCl) with the addition of a low percentage, <10% of NaNO2.

I don't think SN builds up in the body, the whole point of taking such a dramatic overdose is that the overwhelming of the body's enzyme that metabolizes MetHb back into Hb has to be done quickly, otherwise the body's natural mechanisms will purge the poison by itself.

Ah, yes. You're right.

What do you think about taking the SN mixed in with yogurt/custard/honey ?

 

[Marianne]

What do you think about taking the SN mixed in with yogurt/custard/honey ?

Not only are those foods slightly acidic (which you want to avoid, hence the ranitidine/cimetidine), but there's practicality. With honey I imagine you'd struggle to actually mix in the SN and take it quickly. 15g of SN isn't physically a lot, but it'd still be a struggle.

Given how salty SN tastes, custard/yoghurt won't do *that* much to mask it unless you're mixing it in larger volume. Super-salty custard sounds like a nightmare tbh. If you mix it in with a larger quantity of custard/yoghurt then you're approaching not having an empty stomach, which you want so the SN can be absorbed ASAP. IMO better to just mix with minimal water (50ml) and have a small chaser straight after drinking it.

 

[Ladylethal]

If you live in the US and you've already bought your anti emetics which ones did you buy? Please give me the link. I'm not buying the one suggested in the wiki forum as I don't have much time left and alot of people haven't had good results it seems....

 

[littlelady774]

Nitschke says SN is "relatively peaceful"...
What does "relativity peaceful" mean?

I'm scared of a lot of suffering.. I'm in so much pain now, but I don't want it to be unbearable

 

[1234dave]

Nitschke says SN is "relatively peaceful"...
What does "relativity peaceful" mean?

I'm scared of a lot of suffering.. I'm in so much pain now, but I don't want it to be unbearable

Sorry to hear this.

I'm in the same boat

What pain do you have?

 

[jake3d]

Nitschke says SN is "relatively peaceful"...
What does "relativity peaceful" mean?

People who failed SN went at it again. That must mean something.

 

[diyCTB]

So the less the amount of water you mix SN with, the easier it will be to gulp everything in one go and hence less likelihood of throwing up? How much gulps is 50ml of water?

 

[pleasethistime]

So the less the amount of water you mix SN with, the easier it will be to gulp everything in one go and hence less likelihood of throwing up? How much gulps is 50ml of water?

1 but it is 100

 

[Marianne]

1 but it is 100

PPeH says 50-100. :)

50's really not a lot, probably only a few gulps max. A can of coke is 375ml. A 50ml measuring cup, to give you an idea:

 

[Lyra]

I hope ebay seller aardvark is legit. Not feeling as confident ordering with him now!

 

[1234dave]

So the less the amount of water you mix SN with, the easier it will be to gulp everything in one go and hence less likelihood of throwing up? How much gulps is 50ml of water?

It'll be harder for you to throw it up after with less water in your stoma

I hope ebay seller aardvark is legit. Not feeling as confident ordering with him now!

Don't order unbranded stuf

 

[jake3d]

After you've made 5 posts and you have been a member for 1 day, you will be able to send private messages and enter the chat room. PM me for a trusted ebay seller from Poland.

 

[spanishguy22]

It'll be harder for you to throw it up after with less water in your stoma

can someone else confirm the truth in this statement?