Should a bunch of us buy a piece of land somewhere and start a farm/village/retreat center?

[myopybyproxy]

More link dumps:

Shannon Farm Community

www.ic.org

https://www.ic.org/directory/oekodorf-sennrueti/

I looked into this in 2021 when all us conspiracy theorists went rabid mad with the totalitarian turn of events "to protect our health". I ended up realizing I didn't get along with them and experienced/witnessed a lot of in-fighting IRL and in Telegram, so the part about living together and living off the land wouldn't work.

Not to mention being chronically ill and partially disabled doesn't make you the ideal candidate for survivalism either. But the main thing is to actually have a community, from there you can build anything.

You raise some good points. Just by these realisations you're one step ahead of most other people.

What was your IRL experience like, if you don't mind my asking? DM me if not comfortable sharing in the open.

 

[whatevs]

You raise some good points. Just by these realisations you're one step ahead of most other people.

What was your IRL experience like, if you don't mind my asking? DM me if not comfortable sharing in the open.

Well, I didn't really go to meetings for establishing or entering a village and shun the conspiracy-stricken civilization. We met to try to organize protests and pool resources and time trying to fight the COVID dystopia, but very soon talks of going into the wilderness sprang, since everyone could sense there was no use in opposing where society is going by their own accord while also living in a city and having to obey their bullshit or be harassed and eventually jailed...

I met SOME people that I liked, but with time I realized the biggest hurdle everyone was facing, but me more than anyone, was that we just were a heterogeneous group of people that appreciated honesty and liberty, but were on the narcissistic side (you need to be to question authority and consensus) and didn't necessarily have anything else in common. We weren't successful at organizing anything outside of a protest in Madrid, thanks to the leadership of two BreadTubers, which are now bitter enemies... Their falling out was very illustrative of the problem I found.

So I figured out that my plans of visiting some eco-village etc had to be put on pause until I figured out my personality/motivation problems. I'm pretty sure I am a vulnerable narcissist or something analogous in terms of making relationships hard/fail. Sadly, there isn't much time to solve these issues.

The TLDR of my issues are that I need to be able again to like other people, not be constantly afraid of them, and to appreciate again life itself before thinking of such an enterprise.

 

[Sherri]

Can it be in a place like Colorado?

 

[KimKevorkian]

I'll bring extra deodorant. Please, help yourselves!

 

[myopybyproxy]

Can it be in a place like Colorado?

What do you mean by 'can'? I don't see why not, unless local laws are stricter than in other areas, or if most people preferred somewhere else. There are already a lot of communities all over the world, though not necessarily organised around mental health.

figured out that my plans of visiting some eco-village etc had to be put on pause until I figured out my personality/motivation problems. I'm pretty sure I am a vulnerable narcissist or something analogous in terms of making relationships hard/fail. Sadly, there isn't much time to solve these issues.

The TLDR of my issues are that I need to be able again to like other people, not be constantly afraid of them, and to appreciate again life itself before thinking of such an enterprise.

I appreciate the detailed response. And that's pretty cool that you guys managed to have a protest, even though nothing else resulted.

I'm having similar concerns - some of the ecovillage websites I found explicitly discouraged people with mental health struggles from joining. Although a community entirely peopled by us mentally ill deviants would probably fall apart within the first few years. It's disheartening feeling like there's no place for you. Of course it would be ideal if we lived in a society that was more supportive and close-knit, but alas, we don't live in a utopia.

I'm hoping that if and when I do visit, the experience of being closer to nature will help me to appreciate life more. A bit backwards to your process, granted, but to each their own. I'm rather desperate at this point, in case it wasn't obvious.

Why do you say there isn't much time? You've got as long as you live, which theoretically could be multiple decades. Seems like more than enough time to me.

 

[whatevs]

What do you mean by 'can'? I don't see why not, unless local laws are stricter than in other areas, or if most people preferred somewhere else. There are already a lot of communities all over the world, though not necessarily organised around mental health.


I appreciate the detailed response. And that's pretty cool that you guys managed to have a protest, even though nothing else resulted.

I'm having similar concerns - some of the ecovillage websites I found explicitly discouraged people with mental health struggles from joining. Although a community entirely peopled by us mentally ill deviants would probably fall apart within the first few years. It's disheartening feeling like there's no place for you. Of course it would be ideal if we lived in a society that was more supportive and close-knit, but alas, we don't live in a utopia.

I'm hoping that if and when I do visit, the experience of being closer to nature will help me to appreciate life more. A bit backwards to your process, granted, but to each their own. I'm rather desperate at this point, in case it wasn't obvious.

Why do you say there isn't much time? You've got as long as you live, which theoretically could be multiple decades. Seems like more than enough time to me.

By all means update the thread if you remember to and you have successfully installed somewhere.

Oh, not much time til society collapses, or the New World Order is in full swing, that sort of mindset, you know. Doomer stuff. That's from where the meme comes from.

I also studied to become a programmer in these two years, so that's also why I pushed aside the idea to "get out", along with seeing that I suffer from some serious social dysfunction.

 

[Foresight]

My husband and I are going to do this in Wisconsin but we're talking 2 years from now. We're just a little group of 5 doomers. We already live together in Ohio.

 

[Sherri]

What do you mean by 'can'? I don't see why not, unless local laws are stricter than in other areas, or if most people preferred somewhere else. There are already a lot of communities all over the world, though not necessarily organised around mental health.


I appreciate the detailed response. And that's pretty cool that you guys managed to have a protest, even though nothing else resulted.

I'm having similar concerns - some of the ecovillage websites I found explicitly discouraged people with mental health struggles from joining. Although a community entirely peopled by us mentally ill deviants would probably fall apart within the first few years. It's disheartening feeling like there's no place for you. Of course it would be ideal if we lived in a society that was more supportive and close-knit, but alas, we don't live in a utopia.

I'm hoping that if and when I do visit, the experience of being closer to nature will help me to appreciate life more. A bit backwards to your process, granted, but to each their own. I'm rather desperate at this point, in case it wasn't obvious.

Why do you say there isn't much time? You've got as long as you live, which theoretically could be multiple decades. Seems like more than enough time to me.

Yay Colorado it is then!!!! We should go, the ones who are serious about it.

 

[myopybyproxy]

Yay Colorado it is then!!!! We should go, the ones who are serious about it.

Do you have a plot of land already there? Why do you prefer Colorado over anywhere else?

I'd love to join, once I scrape together enough from my paraminimum wage job to travel there.

 

[WiltedSoul]

I might do something similar to this, but in Canada, if anyone's interested. DM me to discuss details.

 

[Foresight]

If anyone is actually interested in this let me know.

My husband works in HVAC so he knows that much. He's a smart guy and savvy with trade skills. We have 1 farm guy from Texas, and I'm a city person with remote white collar job for steady cash flow. We're all benevolent losers. This is my favorite fantasy because my husband and I did it originally. We met on SS and bought a house together and moved in. Then we moved his Texas friend out to us with his boyfriend. Now we need to upgrade to more land. We want to stay by the great lakes. My husband is super into climate change theories and he believes the great lakes region is the best spot.

 

[wanttogetonthebus]

maybe if a bunch of us pooled our money and got a grant to build a live-in therapy village we could buy a piece of land somewhere. We could have a farm with fruits, vegetables and animals. we could have individual homes and a communal area for recovery practices, art, music etc. we could eventually have places where people could come and stay for a while if it could help them. Maybe there could be a grant to start a therapy/recovery center like this. I don't know which country, but maybe someone has some ideas? Maybe someone can think about how to access some kind of government money somewhere to do something like this?

eventually it could even be a place where mental health researchers or spiritual researchers could come and give lectures to the wider public, people could come and stay for a while in some kind of therapy retreat. even more healthy people who just wanted to learn about how to live more fulfilling lives. Maybe that could generate income to further the retreat. Maybe this could give some of us some way to use what we know to help others, become more fulfilled ourselves and maybe give us more purpose. Something like an alternative to mental health care as it stands now.

This sounds so amazing to be honest!!

 

[mr.smileysad]

This is a very interesting idea... a commune for people with mental health issues, I really like this, if I am ever in a position to do so then I will start one of these up. Maybe with the aid of a gofundme this would be possible? If I can I will post anything about it on this site

 

[antoniamonroe]

I really like OP's idea, but I'm quite different ideologically from a lot of the people who are interested in this sort of thing currently, I think. Plus I could never meet the rigid standards for a lot of communities as I'm quite disabled. I do know how to knit and crochet and could easily learn to sew, however. I'm also pretty good at organizing a household.

 

[Foresight]

This is a very interesting idea... a commune for people with mental health issues, I really like this, if I am ever in a position to do so then I will start one of these up. Maybe with the aid of a gofundme this would be possible? If I can I will post anything about it on this site

I might start a fundraiser but closer to the time so I could show the properties and get a better idea of what this retreat would be. This would actually take a lot of planning and safety provisions.

I envision a safe place where people can stop by for separation from the demanding world and relief from stark isolation. A place that has the known healing elements like safety, books, music lessons, peaceful outdoor areas, company, fresh foods, gardening and farming, meetups and productive conversations.

As long as I don't lose my head my family is doing this at a small scale either way. Right now we have a guest room that has had people come and go when needed. If I never make anything grand occur I'll probably always do it on a small scale. The only thing that saved me was truly caring company and change of environment. We fully plan on moving for ourselves so if I can build an idea/get necessary funds I would do it.

 

[whatevs]

This sounds so amazing to be honest!!

Unless...

How it started:

How is it going:

 

[Symbiote]

 

[whatevs]

Serious post. I know this since "Covid" started and saw what people will do with enough social engineering: if I find some commune/sect/analogous that I like I would ask my parents for my part of inheritance (probably wouldn't get more than 30k) and I would enter it. We are all already living in a fucking sect, I'd rather find one that I like, because I fucking loathe the one that controls society.

I have some experience gardening vegetables from seed and oddly enough I love composting and perfectly pruning fruit trees, like an Ikebana virtuoso of the perfectly branched tree. I wouldn't mind taking care of farm animals either.

As a side note: one guy I worked with for three years was unable to find this kind of community and is off to do it solo in the countryside. I say this because I know for a fact he knew many of the hippies of the region as he had one of the first organic produce shop in my city for 25 years and he told me how hard is to fit in these communities and the ego clashes that ensue.

 

[Foresight]

I say this because I know for a fact he knew many of the hippies of the region as he had one of the first organic produce shop in my city for 25 years and he told me how hard is to fit in these communities and the ego clashes that ensue.

Lol in our group any "clash" just amounts to us retreating to our own room and being alone for awhile. All of us so far are pretty extreme introverts. I'm skilled at navigating interpersonal conflict between people.

When it comes closer for our purchase maybe we'll start a discord for discussion. I'm dead serious about it. Like I said we're getting a group property either way. The scale of it is what would be affected depending on if this goes anywhere.

 

[Weebster]

No I'd want to reenact Heavens Gate lol

 

[Foresight]

My husband says he's onboard.

Come join our doomer retreat everyone lol.

 

[Marktheghost]

I'm interested. I'm in Scotland though.

 

[whatevs]

My husband says he's onboard.

Come join our doomer retreat everyone lol.

Make a thread about it. The chronically ill, depressed or impoverished that inhabit the forum have standards and need to be persuaded.

 

[Symbiote]

30 years later:

 

[Foresight]

Make a thread about it. The chronically ill, depressed or impoverished that inhabit the forum have standards and need to be persuaded.

I'm taking a break from here for recovery. I'll be back late summer/early fall with an update.

Like I said whether anything comes of it or not we're moving. I need nature and spacious suroundings to flourish. Stay well @whatevs, you'd surely be invited to my safe haven spot.

 

[Al Cappella]

No chance in fucking hell. To see the homicidal bitching that happens here up close, in person? You say one little thing people find disagreeable and off they run for their pitchforks, gangland style. Everyone clamours on about wanting compassion, tolerance, and to be understood, while not a-one wants to the one to give it. No thank you, even I don't loathe myself that much!

 

[whatevs]

No chance in fucking hell. To see the homicidal bitching that happens here up close, in person? You say one little thing people find disagreeable and off they run for their pitchforks, gangland style. Everyone clamours on about wanting compassion, tolerance, and to be understood, while not a-one wants to the one to give it. No thank you, even I don't loathe myself that much!

Don't fret! In our commune we would solve these issues with armwrestling. Of course, I would always compete with my jerking off arm and you would always lose.

 

[Fish Face]

Not customer service. Read carefully. You're in charge of the wardrobe.

This idea isn't feasible for this community for the simple reason that communal living requires a lot of work, and most people here hate working more than anything. After the first two days of novelty and inspiration, everyone will go back to their melancholic unproductive states and everything will fall apart. We'll all become undead and our farm will degrade to a gothic ruin, shrouded by perpetual fog... hey, on a second thought, that sounds pretty cool. Let's do this.

I don't think most people here hate work. We more tham anything hate the way employment is organised against even more the most "normal" people, i.e. Amazon drivers peeing in bottles and breaking the speed limit, zero hour contracts. Give me work and I am not unproductive at all, decades of working through depression proves that, but I am unemployable because I am over 50 and haven't been in paid employment for years.

 

[Chinaski]

No chance in fucking hell. To see the homicidal bitching that happens here up close, in person? You say one little thing people find disagreeable and off they run for their pitchforks, gangland style. Everyone clamours on about wanting compassion, tolerance, and to be understood, while not a-one wants to the one to give it. No thank you, even I don't loathe myself that much!

Fully agree, it's also going to be prohibitively expensive imo, particularly when you factor in the size of the prison required to house all those subsequently convicted of sex crimes.

 

[Fthis]

I don't think most people here hate work. We more tham anything hate the way employment is organised against even more the most "normal" people, i.e. Amazon drivers peeing in bottles and breaking the speed limit, zero hour contracts. Give me work and I am not unproductive at all, decades of working through depression proves that, but I am unemployable because I am over 50 and haven't been in paid employment for years.

When I'm passionate about something I'm the opposite of lazy, I'm determined and willing to sacrifice sleep over it if you guys are doing this I'll move there as soon as i can