would you recommend still taking paracetamol/ibuprofen without an antiemetic? I have ondansteron but understand that targets serotonin rather than dopamine…trying to figure out how uncomfortable/successdul it would be with just SN/KN, mine should be arriving either late this week or early next
The confirmed case I know of here used ondansetron, so it might have some utility. AEs that target serotonin are infinitely better than antihistamines. Without an AE at all, I wouldn't take any extra medswould you recommend still taking paracetamol/ibuprofen without an antiemetic? I have ondansteron but understand that targets serotonin rather than dopamine…trying to figure out how uncomfortable/successdul it would be with just SN/KN, mine should be arriving either late this week or early next
With KN, the case I'm referring to is Maggiemags & uselessatbest. They told me they were going to take the KN with ondansetron, dramamine, and I believe paracetamolwith SN or KN? do you know if they used anything else?
Maggiemags mentioned stomach pain but didn't mention any vomiting for either of them. She seemed to go unconscious quickly though since she didn't respond after first posting her GBT despite saying she would keep updatingwonder how much discomfort they were in
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ah I see what you mean, thank you!Goodbye
Me and @Uselessatbest Just took out KN. It's been only a short time since I've found sasu but hopefully we find our peace. I hope everyone else in the community finds their own way either through a painless way out or fulfillment and joy in their lives. I will try to answer questions if the...
Hi, I wanted to see if you can clarify a lethal dose of potassium nitrite for a person who weighs about 73 kg.? The math you have provided is confusing to me. I need it spelled out for me in simpler terms of what the actual grams are based on a known weight of 73kg. As you can imagine, no one, including me, wants to make a mistake based on miscalculations. Thanks.My potassium nitrite has shipped & will be arriving Tuesday which is earlier than I'll be left alone long enough to feel comfortable messing with the gun safe, so this is likely the method I will be going with. I'm making this thread about what my procedure will be & some info about the method in general. I won't be setting a specific date or making a goodbye thread bc I don't want to give myself anxiety of having to ctb at a specific time. Plus I wouldn't want to come back if I fail after I've made a goodbye threadIf I do end up getting to go with a gun, I'll make one, but other than that if I disappear for a few weeks at some point after Tuesday assume that I have been successful.
Premise
Potassium nitrite (KNO2) is an ionic salt composed of potassium (K+) and nitrite (NO2-) ions. The lethal component of this salt is the nitrite ions, like in SN. Its method of action is methemoglobinemia in which nitrite ions in the blood bind to hemoglobin, restricting its ability to carry oxygen. Symptoms of methemoglobinemia include headache, fatigue, dizziness, a blue discoloration to the skin, and in severe causes respiratory depression, collapse, and death.
Dosage
The molar mass of KNO2 is higher than that of SN, meaning more product is necessary to achieve the same result. The molar mass of KNO2 is approximately 85 g/mol while the molar mass of SN is 69 g/mol. This gives us an equivalence ratio of 85:69. To determine the proper dosage of potassium nitrite, multiply the appropriate dose of SN by (85/69). Remember to use the parentheses when multiplying. For example, using the standard dose of SN at 25g would give us approximately 31g of KNO2 (if you're going to round, round up not down). Dosage can also be determined by weight through KNO2's LD50 which is cited at 235 mg/kg and doubling it for assurance. This should give you roughly the same number as if you calculated based off of the SN weight chart.
Procedure
For the procedure itself, you can follow all the same guidelines as SN. Make sure you use the recommended antiemetics. You have to use a medication that is a dopamine D2 receptor antagonist. Other medications will NOT work. Other antiemetics will not do anything to help you keep down salt bc they do not affect the area of the CTZ that detects GI irritation. I suspect you'd be better off not taking an aniemetic than adding the ineffective medication. In regards to fasting, I will personally be fasting for 8 hours. Some may choose to fast for 24 hours, but I believe this will increase the chances of vomiting as extended fasting raises your levels of stomach acid. Everyone's body is different, so you have to make that judgement call for yourself. Follow the SN guides for any other medications you may want to add. You can take them in the same doses as for SN.
To prepare the actual drink, mix the KNO2 with plain water, the same as SN. However, you will likely need less water than you would with SN. The solubility of KNO2 is much higher at 312 g/100 mL of water at 25°C. Theoretically you would only need 10 mL of water to dissolve the proposed 31 g of KNO2. Add enough water that it is a drinkable consistency, but the less water the better. Less water may lower your chance of vomiting, but its main purpose is to accurately gage how much of the mixture you have thrown up so you can decide whether to abort or drink a secondary glass. Do not touch the powder! It is an irritant, the same as SN. I would also caution to make sure you are not accessible to any animals in your home. There have been reports of pets passing due to ingesting the vomit of people with nitrite toxicity.
Personal Timeline
These will be fictious times based off of when my fast begins, not correlated to actual times of day.
00:00 - 06:00 : Begin fasting, continue taking water regularly
06:00 : Last intake of plain water
07:00 : 600 mg of ibuprofen
07:15 : 30 mg of metoclopramide
07:45 : 2 mg of lorazepam
08:00 : 22 g of KNO2
Do not take the same dose of KNO2 as me. I am a very small person, so my LD50 dose doubled of KNO2 is smaller than most people's recommended dose of SN. For comparison, my recommended dose of SN by weight is 17.5 g. Follow the calculations I provided, not my personal numbers.
Again, I will not post a goodbye thread for personal reasons, so there won't be a firsthand account of any symptoms. I would consider relaying my symptoms in pm which could then be shared, but I won't publicly be going through this experience. I also will not answer any questions about how I sourced KNO2. It's a precursor to explosives, so it is more regulated than SN. However, it was extremely easy for me to find through a major online retailer.
More of the science I talked about will be linked below, but it repeats stuff I've already talked about & all of the major information is here
Potassium nitrite procedure
Overdosing is far from my ideal method, but I came across lab grade potassium nitrite listed through a major retailer. I'm still undecided if this is an avenue I'll pursue because there's difficulties with receiving my mail without it being gone through & I prefer quicker methods. I am looking...
I also read here that: "When you're dehydrated, it can take about three times as long (45 minutes) for fluids to make their way from the stomach into the bloodstream and to the rest of the body. That's because dehydration causes the stomach to produce more acid, which slows down digestion."
Yes I believe that staying hydrated can be beneficial. Increased levels of stomach acid do slow digestion and increase chances of discomfort & vomiting. I won't make suggestions to others, but I will personally only be fasting for 8 hours and stopping water two hours before I ingest potassium nitrite. I will also stick to bland foods and clear liquids in the day leading up to it. I would consider any alterations to diet more than a day beforehand unnecessary unless there are gastrointestinal issues involvedI also read here that: "When you're dehydrated, it can take about three times as long (45 minutes) for fluids to make their way from the stomach into the bloodstream and to the rest of the body. That's because dehydration causes the stomach to produce more acid, which slows down digestion."
Do you agree with the suggestion here: "Nausea might be due to dehydration. Taking adequate water in the days prior to ctb day might be helpful. About 2 to 3 litres should keep the body well hydrated. And taking adequate water - 1 to 1.5 litres in the morning time since waking up to before starting the food fast on ctb day might help."
Curious what your food/water consumption suggestion would be days leading up to & day of cbt, thank you for sharing all your insights
thank you so much, just curious if someone who doesn't really eat or drink much already should anticipate higher levels of stomach acid + slower digestion/absorption time and account for that with increased intake or food/water/antacids, etc.
Digestion is so subjective, I can't really say either way. My best guess would be that unless someone experiences chronic GI issues from these lifestyle choices, any changes in digestion wouldn't be significant enough to affect dosing. There are a lot of unknown variables physiologically though
Thank you for the chart, and I'm sorry if it sounded like I was asking anyone to give me too much direct information about my method. I was able to acquire sodium nitrite, and because there is far more information online about SN than PN, it was easier to find dosing levels, which are consistently similar. On a different note, as my time approaches, I find myself getting very nervous when imagining the moment that I will proceed with this. It's making me wonder about having something to lessen my anxiety when the time comes. I'm not asking, just sharing a thought.
How certain are you that the numbers on this chart for sodium nitrite are reliable? Thanks.
not sure how @ferrie 's response will differ but it was pulled from the SN bible, recommended by ppeh book, have you read that/those over?
Sorry, I don't get notifications when two replies are so close together or I would have answered sooner. I think the numbers in the chart are a reasonable basis. They're the LD50 doubled for assurance, so it's more a matter of keeping it down long enough for at least half of the dose given in the chart to enter the bloodstream. A common timeframe given for that is 10 minutes, but I'm not confident in the science on that
