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ferrie

ferrie

she/they
May 19, 2024
477
My potassium nitrite has shipped & will be arriving Tuesday which is earlier than I'll be left alone long enough to feel comfortable messing with the gun safe, so this is likely the method I will be going with. I'm making this thread about what my procedure will be & some info about the method in general. I won't be setting a specific date or making a goodbye thread bc I don't want to give myself anxiety of having to ctb at a specific time. Plus I wouldn't want to come back if I fail after I've made a goodbye thread 😭 If I do end up getting to go with a gun, I'll make one, but other than that if I disappear for a few weeks at some point after Tuesday assume that I have been successful.

Premise
Potassium nitrite (KNO2) is an ionic salt composed of potassium (K+) and nitrite (NO2-) ions. The lethal component of this salt is the nitrite ions, like in SN. Its method of action is methemoglobinemia in which nitrite ions in the blood bind to hemoglobin, restricting its ability to carry oxygen. Symptoms of methemoglobinemia include headache, fatigue, dizziness, a blue discoloration to the skin, and in severe causes respiratory depression, collapse, and death.

Dosage
The molar mass of KNO2 is higher than that of SN, meaning more product is necessary to achieve the same result. The molar mass of KNO2 is approximately 85 g/mol while the molar mass of SN is 69 g/mol. This gives us an equivalence ratio of 85:69. To determine the proper dosage of potassium nitrite, multiply the appropriate dose of SN by (85/69). Remember to use the parentheses when multiplying. For example, using the standard dose of SN at 25g would give us approximately 31g of KNO2 (if you're going to round, round up not down). Dosage can also be determined by weight through KNO2's LD50 which is cited at 235 mg/kg and doubling it for assurance. This should give you roughly the same number as if you calculated based off of the SN weight chart.

Procedure
For the procedure itself, you can follow all the same guidelines as SN. Make sure you use the recommended antiemetics. You have to use a medication that is a dopamine D2 receptor antagonist. Other medications will NOT work. Other antiemetics will not do anything to help you keep down salt bc they do not affect the area of the CTZ that detects GI irritation. I suspect you'd be better off not taking an aniemetic than adding the ineffective medication. In regards to fasting, I will personally be fasting for 8 hours. Some may choose to fast for 24 hours, but I believe this will increase the chances of vomiting as extended fasting raises your levels of stomach acid. Everyone's body is different, so you have to make that judgement call for yourself. Follow the SN guides for any other medications you may want to add. You can take them in the same doses as for SN.

To prepare the actual drink, mix the KNO2 with plain water, the same as SN. However, you will likely need less water than you would with SN. The solubility of KNO2 is much higher at 312 g/100 mL of water at 25°C. Theoretically you would only need 10 mL of water to dissolve the proposed 31 g of KNO2. Add enough water that it is a drinkable consistency, but the less water the better. Less water may lower your chance of vomiting, but its main purpose is to accurately gage how much of the mixture you have thrown up so you can decide whether to abort or drink a secondary glass. Do not touch the powder! It is an irritant, the same as SN. I would also caution to make sure you are not accessible to any animals in your home. There have been reports of pets passing due to ingesting the vomit of people with nitrite toxicity.

Personal Timeline
These will be fictious times based off of when my fast begins, not correlated to actual times of day.

00:00 - 06:00 : Begin fasting, continue taking water regularly
06:00 : Last intake of plain water

07:00 : 600 mg of ibuprofen

07:15 : 30 mg of metoclopramide

07:45 : 2 mg of lorazepam

08:00 : 22 g of KNO2

Do not take the same dose of KNO2 as me. I am a very small person, so my LD50 dose doubled of KNO2 is smaller than most people's recommended dose of SN. For comparison, my recommended dose of SN by weight is 17.5 g. Follow the calculations I provided, not my personal numbers.

Again, I will not post a goodbye thread for personal reasons, so there won't be a firsthand account of any symptoms. I would consider relaying my symptoms in pm which could then be shared, but I won't publicly be going through this experience. I also will not answer any questions about how I sourced KNO2. It's a precursor to explosives, so it is more regulated than SN. However, it was extremely easy for me to find through a major online retailer.

More of the science I talked about will be linked below, but it repeats stuff I've already talked about & all of the major information is here

 
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Esokabat

Specialist
Apr 22, 2024
366
Thanks for the great summary. So in a nutshell, you need drink more salt but with less water so it might be balancing itself out as far as volume. Does the Kalium/Potassium atom not add additional interference in the body? For example I used to take Potassium Light salt but I stopped as it made me feel very unwell and feeling dehydrated. It turned my electrolyte balance on its head. Wouldn't the Kalium/Potassium atom on its own cause some havoc in the body?
 
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Onelegman

Onelegman

I use a translator
May 24, 2024
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I had read that more SN was needed but according to your calculations it is almost the same.

I hope you have a smooth march to happiness and that you have luck in the attempt.
 
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ferrie

she/they
May 19, 2024
477
Thanks for the great summary. So in a nutshell, you need drink more salt but with less water so it might be balancing itself out as far as volume. Does the Kalium/Potassium atom not add additional interference in the body? For example I used to take Potassium Light salt but I stopped as it made me feel very unwell and feeling dehydrated. It turned my electrolyte balance on its head. Wouldn't the Kalium/Potassium atom on its own cause some havoc in the body?
The potassium ion might have an effect. I haven't found any literature that suggests that potassium nitrite causes hyperkalemia, so I didn't include it in the initial post. Potassium levels have to be above 5.5 mmol/L to cause hperkalemia & above 6.5 mmol/L to cause heart problems, so it may depend on the amount ingested. I did see one study where they treated potassium nitrite poisoning with potassium chloride though??? I can't seem to find it again, but if I do it would probably have more info.
I had read that more SN was needed but according to your calculations it is almost the same.

I hope you have a smooth march to happiness and that you have luck in the attempt.
Thank you for the well wishes 💕
Thanks for the great summary. So in a nutshell, you need drink more salt but with less water so it might be balancing itself out as far as volume. Does the Kalium/Potassium atom not add additional interference in the body? For example I used to take Potassium Light salt but I stopped as it made me feel very unwell and feeling dehydrated. It turned my electrolyte balance on its head. Wouldn't the Kalium/Potassium atom on its own cause some havoc in the body?
Yeah I can't find a single reported instance of hyperkalemia after KNO2 ingestion & KCL seems to be used to balance KNO2 toxicity in rat studies. It could be that the effects of methemoglobinemia are simply worse, so some hyperkalemic symptoms get attributed to it. It's very hard to die from hyperkalemia after all. Idk if the user with access to Toxbase is still around, but it'd be interesting to see what Toxbase says about KNO2 bc I only have access to US research & case reports
 
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Mi Mi

No One Special
Mar 18, 2024
308
My potassium nitrite has shipped & will be arriving Tuesday which is earlier than I'll be left alone long enough to feel comfortable messing with the gun safe, so this is likely the method I will be going with. I'm making this thread about what my procedure will be & some info about the method in general. I won't be setting a specific date or making a goodbye thread bc I don't want to give myself anxiety of having to ctb at a specific time. Plus I wouldn't want to come back if I fail after I've made a goodbye thread 😭 If I do end up getting to go with a gun, I'll make one, but other than that if I disappear for a few weeks at some point after Tuesday assume that I have been successful.

Premise
Potassium nitrite (KNO2) is an ionic salt composed of potassium (K+) and nitrite (NO2-) ions. The lethal component of this salt is the nitrite ions, like in SN. Its method of action is methemoglobinemia in which nitrite ions in the blood bind to hemoglobin, restricting its ability to carry oxygen. Symptoms of methemoglobinemia include headache, fatigue, dizziness, a blue discoloration to the skin, and in severe causes respiratory depression, collapse, and death.

Dosage
The molar mass of KNO2 is higher than that of SN, meaning more product is necessary to achieve the same result. The molar mass of KNO2 is approximately 85 g/mol while the molar mass of SN is 69 g/mol. This gives us an equivalence ratio of 85:69. To determine the proper dosage of potassium nitrite, multiply the appropriate dose of SN by (85/69). Remember to use the parentheses when multiplying. For example, using the standard dose of SN at 25g would give us approximately 31g of KNO2 (if you're going to round, round up not down). Dosage can also be determined by weight through KNO2's LD50 which is cited at 235 mg/kg and doubling it for assurance. This should give you roughly the same number as if you calculated based off of the SN weight chart.

Procedure
For the procedure itself, you can follow all the same guidelines as SN. Make sure you use the recommended antiemetics. You have to use a medication that is a dopamine D2 receptor antagonist. Other medications will NOT work. Other antiemetics will not do anything to help you keep down salt bc they do not affect the area of the CTZ that detects GI irritation. I suspect you'd be better off not taking an aniemetic than adding the ineffective medication. In regards to fasting, I will personally be fasting for 8 hours. Some may choose to fast for 24 hours, but I believe this will increase the chances of vomiting as extended fasting raises your levels of stomach acid. Everyone's body is different, so you have to make that judgement call for yourself. Follow the SN guides for any other medications you may want to add. You can take them in the same doses as for SN.

To prepare the actual drink, mix the KNO2 with plain water, the same as SN. However, you will likely need less water than you would with SN. The solubility of KNO2 is much higher at 312 g/100 mL of water at 25°C. Theoretically you would only need 10 mL of water to dissolve the proposed 31 g of KNO2. Add enough water that it is a drinkable consistency, but the less water the better. Less water may lower your chance of vomiting, but its main purpose is to accurately gage how much of the mixture you have thrown up so you can decide whether to abort or drink a secondary glass. Do not touch the powder! It is an irritant, the same as SN. I would also caution to make sure you are not accessible to any animals in your home. There have been reports of pets passing due to ingesting the vomit of people with nitrite toxicity.

Personal Timeline
These will be fictious times based off of when my fast begins, not correlated to actual times of day.

00:00 - 06:00 : Begin fasting, continue taking water regularly
06:00 : Last intake of plain water

07:00 : 600 mg of ibuprofen

07:15 : 30 mg of metoclopramide

07:45 : 2 mg of lorazepam

08:00 : 22 g of KNO2

Do not take the same dose of KNO2 as me. I am a very small person, so my LD50 dose doubled of KNO2 is smaller than most people's recommended dose of SN. For comparison, my recommended dose of SN by weight is 17.5 g. Follow the calculations I provided, not my personal numbers.

Again, I will not post a goodbye thread for personal reasons, so there won't be a firsthand account of any symptoms. I would consider relaying my symptoms in pm which could then be shared, but I won't publicly be going through this experience. I also will not answer any questions about how I sourced KNO2. It's a precursor to explosives, so it is more regulated than SN. However, it was extremely easy for me to find through a major online retailer.

More of the science I talked about will be linked below, but it repeats stuff I've already talked about & all of the major information is here

May it be quick and painless
Best wishes 💜
 
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sugarh1gh

Death is new departure and beggining of a journey.
May 27, 2024
328
Do you by any chance know this is a painless method?
 
ferrie

ferrie

she/they
May 19, 2024
477
Do you by any chance know this is a painless method?
It should be a relatively painless method. I haven't seen any case reports that mention significant pain with acute toxicity. There might be chest pain if hyperkalemia is a factor, but I haven't seen that actually reported in any medical journals
 
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FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
35,390
I wish you the best in your plans.
 
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justwannadip

it's still raining
May 27, 2024
134
I'm glad I got to meet you before you made your decision❤️ I wish you the best my friend, and I hope to meet you on the other side.
 
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ferrie

she/they
May 19, 2024
477
I'm glad I got to meet you before you made your decision❤️ I wish you the best my friend, and I hope to meet you on the other side.
I've enjoyed our conversations greatly, and thank you so much for the well wishes 😊
 
ferrie

ferrie

she/they
May 19, 2024
477
Why not SN?
It was way easier for me to buy KNO2. I also live with other people & I know they won't go through my packages if it's from a recognizable store
 
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Abyssal

Kill me
Nov 26, 2023
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I've heard questionable things on this method. Are there any other threads documenting it?
 
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ferrie

she/they
May 19, 2024
477
I've heard questionable things on this method. Are there any other threads documenting it?
There's only a few other threads that talk about it & only one that gives detailed information and also uses the 85:69 ratio. Afaik there's no threads on sasu documenting an actual attempt with it. It has been used in attempts successfully & unsuccessfully reported in medical journals though
 
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Into-the-abyss

Member
May 31, 2024
30
My potassium nitrite has shipped & will be arriving Tuesday which is earlier than I'll be left alone long enough to feel comfortable messing with the gun safe, so this is likely the method I will be going with. I'm making this thread about what my procedure will be & some info about the method in general. I won't be setting a specific date or making a goodbye thread bc I don't want to give myself anxiety of having to ctb at a specific time. Plus I wouldn't want to come back if I fail after I've made a goodbye thread 😭 If I do end up getting to go with a gun, I'll make one, but other than that if I disappear for a few weeks at some point after Tuesday assume that I have been successful.

Premise
Potassium nitrite (KNO2) is an ionic salt composed of potassium (K+) and nitrite (NO2-) ions. The lethal component of this salt is the nitrite ions, like in SN. Its method of action is methemoglobinemia in which nitrite ions in the blood bind to hemoglobin, restricting its ability to carry oxygen. Symptoms of methemoglobinemia include headache, fatigue, dizziness, a blue discoloration to the skin, and in severe causes respiratory depression, collapse, and death.

Dosage
The molar mass of KNO2 is higher than that of SN, meaning more product is necessary to achieve the same result. The molar mass of KNO2 is approximately 85 g/mol while the molar mass of SN is 69 g/mol. This gives us an equivalence ratio of 85:69. To determine the proper dosage of potassium nitrite, multiply the appropriate dose of SN by (85/69). Remember to use the parentheses when multiplying. For example, using the standard dose of SN at 25g would give us approximately 31g of KNO2 (if you're going to round, round up not down). Dosage can also be determined by weight through KNO2's LD50 which is cited at 235 mg/kg and doubling it for assurance. This should give you roughly the same number as if you calculated based off of the SN weight chart.

Procedure
For the procedure itself, you can follow all the same guidelines as SN. Make sure you use the recommended antiemetics. You have to use a medication that is a dopamine D2 receptor antagonist. Other medications will NOT work. Other antiemetics will not do anything to help you keep down salt bc they do not affect the area of the CTZ that detects GI irritation. I suspect you'd be better off not taking an aniemetic than adding the ineffective medication. In regards to fasting, I will personally be fasting for 8 hours. Some may choose to fast for 24 hours, but I believe this will increase the chances of vomiting as extended fasting raises your levels of stomach acid. Everyone's body is different, so you have to make that judgement call for yourself. Follow the SN guides for any other medications you may want to add. You can take them in the same doses as for SN.

To prepare the actual drink, mix the KNO2 with plain water, the same as SN. However, you will likely need less water than you would with SN. The solubility of KNO2 is much higher at 312 g/100 mL of water at 25°C. Theoretically you would only need 10 mL of water to dissolve the proposed 31 g of KNO2. Add enough water that it is a drinkable consistency, but the less water the better. Less water may lower your chance of vomiting, but its main purpose is to accurately gage how much of the mixture you have thrown up so you can decide whether to abort or drink a secondary glass. Do not touch the powder! It is an irritant, the same as SN. I would also caution to make sure you are not accessible to any animals in your home. There have been reports of pets passing due to ingesting the vomit of people with nitrite toxicity.

Personal Timeline
These will be fictious times based off of when my fast begins, not correlated to actual times of day.

00:00 - 06:00 : Begin fasting, continue taking water regularly
06:00 : Last intake of plain water

07:00 : 600 mg of ibuprofen

07:15 : 30 mg of metoclopramide

07:45 : 2 mg of lorazepam

08:00 : 22 g of KNO2

Do not take the same dose of KNO2 as me. I am a very small person, so my LD50 dose doubled of KNO2 is smaller than most people's recommended dose of SN. For comparison, my recommended dose of SN by weight is 17.5 g. Follow the calculations I provided, not my personal numbers.

Again, I will not post a goodbye thread for personal reasons, so there won't be a firsthand account of any symptoms. I would consider relaying my symptoms in pm which could then be shared, but I won't publicly be going through this experience. I also will not answer any questions about how I sourced KNO2. It's a precursor to explosives, so it is more regulated than SN. However, it was extremely easy for me to find through a major online retailer.

More of the science I talked about will be linked below, but it repeats stuff I've already talked about & all of the major information is here

From the posts I've had the pleasure of reading, it's clear that you possess a remarkable level of articulation in chemistry.
Thank you for generously sharing your knowledge with us.
Wishing you all the best
 
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ferrie

she/they
May 19, 2024
477
From the posts I've had the pleasure of reading, it's clear that you possess a remarkable level of articulation in chemistry.
Thank you for generously sharing your knowledge with us.
Wishing you all the best
Thank you for the compliment & the well wishes 💕 I get worried sometimes that I'm too wordy lol. I was a medical student though, so I'm really passionate about health sciences & chemistry. I'm glad that my posts can be helpful!!
 
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Forveleth

I knew I forgot to do something when I was 15...
Mar 26, 2024
755
Thank you for such an informative post! I wish you all the best and hope your journey is peaceful!
 
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satanpixidreamgirl

sleepy
Feb 28, 2024
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Is a metal spoon okay to mix with? sorry if that's a dumb question

also good luck angel, find peace
 
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ferrie

she/they
May 19, 2024
477
Is a metal spoon okay to mix with? sorry if that's a dumb question

also good luck angel, find peace
It's best to use a plastic spoon or glass stirring rod. I'm not aware of any specific KNO2 reactions that would make a metal spoon problematic for our purposes, but oxidizers can react with metal. Better safe than sorry

Thank you 💕 I hope you are able to find peace as well
 
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dolemitedrums

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Jun 12, 2024
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Sounds like you have a good handle on what you want to do. Sorry to see you leave but wish you a peaceful journey.
 
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lilmisswbd2cbt

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Jul 12, 2024
48
Procedure
For the procedure itself, you can follow all the same guidelines as SN
hi my account is new here though I've been reading as a guest for a few months :)

anyone know if this procedure and the guidelines include testing KNO2/how it differs from testing SN?
 
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ferrie

she/they
May 19, 2024
477
hi my account is new here though I've been reading as a guest for a few months :)

anyone know if this procedure and the guidelines include testing KNO2/how it differs from testing SN?
I'm still alive lol. Still planning on using this method, some financial logistics of my death have just popped up. There's a thread somewhere about testing potassium nitrite that has the ratios calculated out. I believe it was posted by Maggiemags
 
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lilmisswbd2cbt

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Jul 12, 2024
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I'm still alive lol. Still planning on using this method, some financial logistics of my death have just popped up. There's a thread somewhere about testing potassium nitrite that has the ratios calculated out. I believe it was posted by Maggiemags
thanks for getting back so quickly, I'll have a look :) good luck with everything, sorry to hear about financial logistics getting in the way :(
 
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lilmisswbd2cbt

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Jul 12, 2024
48
thanks :) I'd definitely prefer to go this route but am struggling with sourcing—as is everyone, it seems. I totally understand and respect you keeping yours anonymous, just wish I/we didn't feel the need to resort to something like PH, it sounds so scary 🫣
 
Edpal247

Edpal247

Experienced
Jul 9, 2024
222
I'm kinda worried it won't work and you'll just mess yourself up big time. Sorry, not trying to be critical, just helpful. Potassium nitrate will burn like hell, not sure how you can chugg it down.
 
ferrie

ferrie

she/they
May 19, 2024
477
I'm kinda worried it won't work and you'll just mess yourself up big time. Sorry, not trying to be critical, just helpful. Potassium nitrate will burn like hell, not sure how you can chugg it down.
Nitrite, not nitrate. I've done a lot of research into medical reports on potassium nitrite poisoning. There's also been two cases I know of on here since I've posted this thread. They reported some stomach pain but no burning. I'm not sure why you think it would burn to swallow?
 
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Edpal247

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Jul 9, 2024
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Nitrite, not nitrate. I've done a lot of research into medical reports on potassium nitrite poisoning. There's also been two cases I know of on here since I've posted this thread. They reported some stomach pain but no burning. I'm not sure why you think it would burn to swallow?
Thanks for the clarification - carry on!
 

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