Pentobarbital (N) is NOT as good as it seems. Not even close.

[suffering_mo]

It is anaesthetic, obviously overdose anaesthetic will kill you but there are reasons why anaesthetics are not used in assisted suicide or even in dead sentence. I was observing your activity and in my opinion u r trying to convince people that even this method is extremely dangerous. Im finding you as an big risk for this community. I understand that it is a risk with any method, believe me i understand, cause i was in peru, i purchased it and was too afraid to take it over there in case of landing up in a hospital over there. But....still...this is the best method in my opinion.

A little off topic here but were you able to transport your N back to your home country?

 

[Gone.]

A little off topic here but were you able to transport your N back to your home country?

Might be a better question to ask in DMs/PMs since if they were, they would be admitting to a crime.

 

[Obliviate]

N from D (years ago). Sold as 6.5G, but tested at 6.7G. I've orally tried up to 5ml in one go, but I had a benzo tolerance at that time.

What ever happen to D again? He just went under the radar? I remember him but I didn't have enough money, ie that I do, he's gone

I've been a lurker here for years and would choose N (Pentobarbital) over any other method. Dying isn't a very pretty thing anyway.

Now regarding the taste, it's horrible, I've been using low doses for insomnia, lots of juice in the mix!

Do you mind if I ask where you got your N from?

 

[Life'sA6itch]

I have a seizure disorder, so I take Phenobarbital and Lamictal.

Right now, I have 3000mg of Phenobarbital at home. When I kill myself, that will be my method.

"Right now, I have 3000mg of Phenobarbital at home" - I am completely jealous and I generally never am

 

[davidtorez]

Is a combination of Dramamine and ondansetron good enough without the metoclopramide?

 

[intr0verse]

Vomiting after an N overdose is rare but i think metoclopramide would be the best antiemetic for this purpose. It's also a pro-kinetic, meaning it will speed up the gastric emptying. Next will be domperidone, which has the same anti-emetic properties but won't have the same side effects ( extrapyramidal symptoms) because it doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier thus not affecting the dopamine receptors in the brain. The vomiting centers that anti-emetic medicine are targeting are outside of this barrier, hence dopamine not crossing this line, won't affect it's efficacy as an anti-emetic. It also posses pro-kinetic properties.

 

[orbwithinorb]

What ever happen to D again? He just went under the radar? I remember him but I didn't have enough money, ie that I do, he's gone

Do you mind if I ask where you got your N from?

I believe he was arrested, sadly.

 

[davidtorez]

Vomiting after an N overdose is rare but i think metoclopramide would be the best antiemetic for this purpose. It's also a pro-kinetic, meaning it will speed up the gastric emptying. Next will be domperidone, which has the same anti-emetic properties but won't have the same side effects ( extrapyramidal symptoms) because it doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier thus not affecting the dopamine receptors in the brain. The vomiting centers that anti-emetic medicine are targeting are outside of this barrier, hence dopamine not crossing this line, won't affect it's efficacy as an anti-emetic. It also posses pro-kinetic properties.

Ok thanks

 

[Obliviate]

I believe he was arrested, sadly.

Wait what?!?!? When did this happen?

 

[orbwithinorb]

Wait what?!?!? When did this happen?

I think a couple of years now but he was just indicted - https://www.wrex.com/news/man-charg...cle_2132ad20-2113-11ef-bf7b-87c28d83a717.html . You can find a bunch of articles if you search for 'Daniel Gonzalez-Munguia arrest'.

 

[Valhala]

No method is simple or easy. Perhaps the best and fastest method is inert gas, but it is technically too complicated. There is nothing better (in terms of absence of pain and risk) than N.

 

[Mugen]

No problem,

Dying after a lethal injection by a doctor is not preferred by doctors and pharmacists over letting the patient drink the N (pentobarbital) themselves. This is stated in the revised KNMG/KNMP Guideline Implementation of Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide in the Netherlands. Both methods are equally reliable, say both organizations.

Anyone requesting euthanasia in the Netherlands has a choice of two methods for its implementation.

1. Euthanasia: The physician administers the euthanasia drug intravenously

2. Assisted suicide: drinking the euthanasia drug (pentobarbital) themselves

There is no longer a preference for euthanasia over assisted suicide. Both methods are equally reliable.

The guideline describes the professional standard and is based on the latest scientific and professional insights from various medical and pharmaceutical professional groups.



The Royal Dutch Pharmacists Association (Koninklijke Nederlandse Maatschappij ter bevordering der Pharmacie, KNMP) is the umbrella organisation for both professional pharmacists and the pharmacy in general.

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The Royal Dutch Medical Association (RDMA; in Dutch Koninklijke Nederlandsche Maatschappij tot bevordering der Geneeskunst or KNMG)

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The N drink is now a reliable alternative to injection in euthanasia

Professor of applied psychology Pieter Jan Stallen and general practitioner Michiel Marlet investigated over 200 examples of assisted suicide with the N (pentobarbital) drink. This shows that there are no complications with this method.

This is stated by the two doctors in the Dutch Journal of Medicine.

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In addition to the guidelines, several doctors share their personal experiences and preferences regarding the oral and intravenous methods of euthanasia. The reactions of these doctors, which I have translated from Dutch to English, can be found in the journal for Dutch physicians."


I once assisted in suicide using this method, with the general practitioner in the background. My experience was that it went exceptionally smoothly. The patient explicitly wanted assistance in dying. This approach allowed him to be helped in a very respectful manner and in accordance with the law. Indeed, it involved less medicalization, but still with the care and diligence appropriate for such assistance. My experience makes me wonder why this method is not used more often—particularly for individuals seeking dignified assistance in dying.

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I have extensive experience spanning approximately 35 years, and even with a dosage of 9 grams, I have never encountered any failures.

Pentobarbital offers several significant advantages:

It is the most suitable oral substance;

It is 100% reliable;

It causes no unpleasant side effects;

It allows the individual to emphasize their own decision to end their life;

The doctor takes a step back, allowing loved ones to take a more central role;

It significantly reduces the medicalization of the process.

While I also have experience with the intravenous method, it feels uncomfortable to actively end someone's life, especially while they are still connected to the needle.

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After assisting in suicide three times, I have developed a personal preference for this method. It is profoundly dignified and allows for complete self-determination.

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During my career, I consistently preferred the oral method. The fact that the patient takes the medication themselves, rather than passing away "on the needle," and, as my colleague describes, the proximity of loved ones, are all significant advantages in my view.

I recall a situation where the patient's wife struggled with his decision, but the eagerness with which he drank the solution helped her come to terms with his choice.

It has always surprised me how little attention is given to the oral method.

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From multiple experiences, I can confirm that the oral method works exceptionally well and that concerns about failure are entirely unfounded. A dosage of 9 grams of barbiturate is an enormous overdose, ensuring that even in cases of choking, partial spitting out, or vomiting (none of which I have ever witnessed), the patient will still pass away.

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On all three occasions that I have been involved, I was deeply impressed by the courage and determination shown by the patient. For patients who are capable, the oral method should be the first choice.

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I have assisted with euthanasia using the oral method twice. In both cases, it went as described here, with the family members being very satisfied afterward.


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NVVE: Updated information

Now that the current analysis confirms there are no complications associated with taking the N drink, the NVVE (The Dutch Association for a Voluntary End of Life) has updated its information regarding euthanasia options.

The focus should not be limited to the injection method alone. "We are currently grappling with an outdated guideline," the association stated.

The NVVE believes that the method involving the N drink should receive greater attention: "We have updated our information and educational materials to reflect this."

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Source:

The Royal Dutch Pharmacists Association (Koninklijke Nederlandse Maatschappij ter bevordering der Pharmacie, KNMP) is the umbrella organisation for both professional pharmacists and the pharmacy in general.
https://www.knmp.nl/actueel/nieuws/...ing-euthanasie-en-hulp-bij-zelfdoding-herzien

The Royal Dutch Medical Association (RDMA; in Dutch Koninklijke Nederlandsche Maatschappij tot bevordering der Geneeskunst or KNMG)
https://www.knmg.nl/actueel/nieuws/...ing-euthanasie-en-hulp-bij-zelfdoding-herzien

NVVE (The Dutch Association for a Voluntary End of Life)
https://www.nvve.nl/actueel/nieuws/...nasie-en-hulp-bij-zelfdoding-even-betrouwbaar/

EénVandaag is a current affairs programme broadcast on the Dutch public television network NPO 1
https://eenvandaag.avrotros.nl/item...ef-bij-euthanasie-het-is-een-zachtere-methode/

NTvG; English: Dutch Journal of Medicine is the main medical journal in the Netherlands
https://www.ntvg.nl/artikelen/voorkeur-voor-hulp-bij-zelfdoding

Medisch Contact is the professional journal for Dutch doctors.
https://www.medischcontact.nl

Trouw (Dutch daily newspaper)
https://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/dodelij...voor-de-injectiespuit-bij-euthanasie~b3cd8289/

NPO Radio 1: Dutch public broadcasting organisation
https://www.nporadio1.nl/fragmenten...09-25-euthanasie-door-een-drankje-of-injectie

Expertisecentrum Euthanasie, is a Dutch euthanasia clinic
https://expertisecentrumeuthanasie.nl/

It could be interesting to know what "nembutal" was used. Veterinary's dose is rather large, even gulping 200ml water (equivalent of 4 bottles is hard).
I have the Halatal veterinary version (4 bottles recommended) and scares me that I am going to end up emitting it one way or another even when I pass out.