Pegasos legal assisted dying clinic will almost guaranteed say yes, regardless of your state of health

[Valhala]

They use N and not SN. And I suspect it's at least a thousand or 2,000 CHF just for the drugs. (It became so expensive in the United States they don't use it anymore for MAID). Another 2,000 for cremation. I believe on the Dignitas site it gets into more where the all the fees go towards.

The real market retail price for N is 20 - 40 dollars per bottle. For a lethal outcome you need 2, maximum 3 bottles so do the math yourself. The price of 2000 dollars for a lethal dose is absolutely exaggerated and unrealistic.

 

[tulero]

5 figures is a lot of money, but that's not the real problem. if you live in a first world country is a matter of working a few months till you have the money

the problem is always the same

- are you younger ? probably rejected, we dont want to deal with youngers since its controversial to "kill" young people

- are you just mentally illness ? -> probably rejected again, you are not suffering a "real pain" and doesnt fit their standars

having to pass a burocratic procedure is just a mess. I mean, I can understand you have to pass at least one psychological test to ensure you are not being forced to something you dont wan agains your will. But aside of that ?

 

[J&L383]

The real market retail price for N is 20 - 40 dollars per bottle. For a lethal outcome you need 2, maximum 3 bottles so do the math yourself. The price of 2000 dollars for a lethal dose is absolutely exaggerated and unrealistic.

That's what I read the price was in Oregon and why they stopped using it (and then the capital punishment industry sealed it because manufacturers didn't want them to get their hands on it) but I don't know any idea outside of Oregon. I was just guessing on that.

 

[PhDone]

How did you get cfs/me?

I suspect I initially got a mild form post-viral having had chicken pox back maybe 15yrs ago. Just kept sleeping loads and then just always had to have good amounts of sleep or I'd be f'd. Then a couple of years ago went thro severe insomnia and bang, suddenly couldnt get off the sofa and all these neurological symptoms started, brain burning and limb numbness. Utterly gross disease. Been getting steadily worse since then, heaps of deconditioning to add to the nightmare too.

 

[sad_dog]

I've heard multiple accounts of them denying people, particularly young folks (like under 40). Pegasos and Dignitas seem very accepting but ultimately are still pretty picky.

 

[RinneOfAragon]

erm I emailed them beginning of December and only got an automated response. Then I found this place and didn't chase it up.

 

[seizmic_purple]

Any updates on this? I have just read about Pegasos today and felt optimistic because their website sounds as if anyone can get accepted as long as you're an adult and of 'sound mind'. But after reading some of these comments, I wonder whether someone got the confirmation about the refund (maybe also in an email correspondence with Pegasos) or if someone (along with OP) actually applied?

 

[aiyuxhan]

It makes sense that they would be nervous about providing their services for people who are much younger. I don't feel that's right, because a younger person has a lot more potential time to suffer than an older person, but I see their side of it as well. They probably see somebody who's younger and suffering from just depression as being a strong candidate for recovery.

I've sent in my initial letter explaining my background and situation, and I'm waiting to hear back as to whether or not I likely qualify. We'll see what happens.

Yeah, I think it's stupid and not fair that they're like that with younger people. I'm in my 30's. I don't want to go 20-40 more years of this

Also sadly for me, I'm too poor to even try to apply. So, I'm just gonna do it in an affordable way myself

I wrote them yesterday and also stated my diagnosis of chronic pain and how it's getting worse. I described that I have medical records. I got an answer today that they won't accept my application based on these facts and age (33).

I'm so sorry! And I knew it! I'm 32!

 

[anonymousperson]

The real market retail price for N is 20 - 40 dollars per bottle. For a lethal outcome you need 2, maximum 3 bottles so do the math yourself. The price of 2000 dollars for a lethal dose is absolutely exaggerated and unrealistic.

Their website says its 12k for it not 2k?

 

[JayJay]

Pegasos doesn't really care all that much about your health situation, what they care about is your right to choose. They're smart enough to know that you're not going to want to die, unless you're actually suffering intolerably. They just want to make sure that you are of sound mind to really know what you're doing, and that you're not being coerced into the decision.

Dignitas in Switzerland is much more strict than Pegasos. For those who have tried Dignitas and failed to qualify, please try Pegasos. There is a HUGE difference in their philosophies, and I can almost guarantee that Pegasos will say yes!

They are both legal assisted suicide clinics in Switzerland that cater to mostly international clients.

There is a significant cost involved, and some travel, but it is definitely a really great option for many people.

Their official philosophy is that it is the right of every rational adult of sound mind, regardless of their state of health, to choose the manner and timing of their death.

The fact that Pegasos exists, is proof that the attitudes of people in the world about the right to die, and legal assisted suicide, are changing dramatically, and quickly.

To speed up this process even further, right to your local elected representative. Links provided for all English-speaking countries in this thread: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...sentatives-politicians-links-provided.183953/

But this is located in Switzerland. It's one of the hardest countries to gain citizenship. I don't think we will have assisted dying clinics anytime soon. Would be bad publicity for the governments. The government would hate to kill off their tax payers.

 

[J&L383]

Legalizing assisted suicide in other countries is a long process but it has to start somewhere. Slowly, state-by-state, the United States are passing laws, but they are very restrictive compared to Switzerland and even Canada. It would be nice if countries other than Switzerland would accept foreigners (BeNeLux and Canada?), and with the Switzerland criteria, but for now it's all we have to work with.

 

[nonamegirl]

I emailed them some years ago when i was struck with chronic multi tonal tinnitus and hyperacusis and in so much pain, and they wrote back that they couldnt say if I would get approved, as it is an individual assesment but they confirmed that they had helped people who had these ailments before. I also have chronic depression and worsening GAD + damage from antidepressants

I dont care about the money. I would apply if I thought it possible that they would approve me (Im in my late 30s) But I live in a non-english speaking country and I dont even know how I would get my medical records, let alone get them translated to english.

 

[seizmic_purple]

I emailed them some years ago when i was struck with chronic multi tonal tinnitus and hyperacusis and in so much pain, and they wrote back that they couldnt say if I would get approved, as it is an individual assesment but they confirmed that they had helped people who had these ailments before. I also have chronic depression and worsening GAD + damage from antidepressants

I dont care about the money. I would apply if I thought it possible that they would approve me (Im in my late 30s) But I live in a non-english speaking country and I dont even know how I would get my medical records, let alone get them translated to english.

I'm sorry you're going through that. Perhaps private clinics are an option, if there are any in your country? They usually give the records to the patients.
I guess it can be ''enough'' to know, from the whole talk about the email, that one doesn't get a straight NO out front, but one's situation can drastically change between inquiries and/or applying.

 

[nonamegirl]

I'm sorry you're going through that. Perhaps private clinics are an option, if there are any in your country? They usually give the records to the patients.
I guess it can be ''enough'' to know, from the whole talk about the email, that one doesn't get a straight NO out front, but one's situation can drastically change between inquiries and/or applying.

Thank you. What kind of clinics you mean?
Thinking about it I dont even know what help my medical records would be. I make an effort to avoid treatment and doctors as they have damaged me permanently with there prescribed poisons. Never been admitted to a psych ward either, despite several severe mental breakkdowns. Judging by my medical records one wouldnt be able to have idea of my suffering, as I keep that in silence.

 

[Thomas599]

Sure, no problem! Everyone has an extra $10,000 just sitting around, right? For under five grand (depending on where you live) you could fly down to Mexico, buy what you want and be gone the next day.

 

[seizmic_purple]

Thank you. What kind of clinics you mean?
Thinking about it I dont even know what help my medical records would be. I make an effort to avoid treatment and doctors as they have damaged me permanently with there prescribed poisons. Never been admitted to a psych ward either, despite several severe mental breakkdowns. Judging by my medical records one wouldnt be able to have idea of my suffering, as I keep that in silence.

Hm, indeed, this is an important problem, one Pegasos may not be able to recognize. They need these documents to be fully legally covered, I think, so they may not look pass that easily. I don't know where you're located, but I was referring to private health institutions, such as a general clinic, where you pay for an appointment or treatment with any specialist.

Sure, no problem! Everyone has an extra $10,000 just sitting around, right? For under five grand (depending on where you live) you could fly down to Mexico, buy what you want and be gone the next day.

You're referring to N, right? I am not sure it is that simple either. Last I read, a few years ago (not on SaSu), pharmacies became very guarded and reluctant.

 

[Thomas599]

Hm, indeed, this is an important problem, one Pegasos may not be able to recognize. They need these documents to be fully legally covered, I think, so they may not look pass that easily. I don't know where you're located, but I was referring to private health institutions, such as a general clinic, where you pay for an appointment or treatment with any specialist.

You're referring to N, right? I am not sure it is that simple either. Last I read, a few years ago (not on SaSu), pharmacies became very guarded and reluctant.

Hi, I have a working relationship with a shop owner. Their daughter is an actual Veterinarian in Mexico. The parents run the grooming shop at the front of the clinic. Pento. is NOT impossible to get... you just need to know the right people, be able to speak fluent Spanish and have built a solid relationship with the right people. Hi, I'm Thomas599 nice to meet you. Send me a DM and say hi.

 

[intr0verse]

The real market retail price for N is 20 - 40 dollars per bottle. For a lethal outcome you need 2, maximum 3 bottles so do the math yourself. The price of 2000 dollars for a lethal dose is absolutely exaggerated and unrealistic.

If i remember this right, in a video about Dignitas which shows a pharmacist preparing 15g of pentobarbital sodium for a patient, he said it's very cheap, like 35 swiss francs.
(reuploaded; is not actually the part where he say the price, that part it's either removed or is in a another video age-restricted.)

For under five grand (depending on where you live) you could fly down to Mexico, buy what you want and be gone the next day.

I sincerely think there is no one with that amount of money here on this forum. I remember back in the days there were a lot of people not being able to afford 2 bottles from A let alone $5000 for a trip to Mexico.

 

[intr0verse]

Finally found the video. At arround 43:20 the pharmacist says the price for a 15g bottle is CHF32.40

 

[deathisapanacea]

Don't give false hopes buddy. If they were that liberal with their criteria, I am sure we Will have at least a dozen stories here of people ending themselves through Pegasos.

 

[deathisapanacea]

At the surface Pegasos does look like an organization that accommodates all kind of people. Imma shoot an Email and see how it goes. Hopefully they consider 40+ as old .