Jeko
Member
- Jul 21, 2018
- 15
Judah
Enlightened
- Oct 1, 2020
- 1,553
raindrops
Someday, eventually
- Mar 29, 2020
- 447
Thank you Marquis, thank you.
Probably won't see this now.
But thank you for saving my life with this community and thank God its still here.
They may laugh at me for saying that but SS literally felt like a massive hug when I didn't have anyone around.
Yes good ol' hotlines, I had a terrible experience with the Samaritans, I wrote about that here too, so NYT shills if you're lurking, good. Read this and weep.
Probably won't see this now.
But thank you for saving my life with this community and thank God its still here.
They may laugh at me for saying that but SS literally felt like a massive hug when I didn't have anyone around.
Yes good ol' hotlines, I had a terrible experience with the Samaritans, I wrote about that here too, so NYT shills if you're lurking, good. Read this and weep.
I've just read the NYT article. It's beyond terrible. It's like something out of 4Chan, but with less typos. Basically the whole "article" is a powerplay : " Oh look, there are people talking about commiting suicide on this forum. We have doxxed the founders, because we have the power to do it. Mwhahaha !! Bye bye" That is pretty much the content of the article.
Zero empathy with the suffering and pain of the people here. Zero intellectual courage to confront the issue of suicide frontally. Those pseudo-journalists are like children putting their fingers in their ears : "Nah Nah Nah ! I don't wanna hear about it. The world is just flying unicorns and rainbows ". And to preserve that illusion, they will avoid any serious adult discussion about the issue, and just shoot down anyone who dares to raise it. That's it. The pseudo-journalists just wanted to show the world that they can control what people should do with their lives, that they can control the discussion by shutting it down and looking the other way, while getting high on their own perceived "power", like the same 4chan trolls they pretend to despise.
Contrast this with the Vice article, a real piece of serious journalism. Even though it was critical towards SS, it had at least the intellectual courage to confront the issue of suicide frontally and honestly. It showed some empathy with the population of this website, tried to raise a real mature discussion about why there isn't any space in the "normal" web for people who need SS
www.vice.com
The amateur bloggers ( they don't deserve to be called journalists) of the NYT piece are behind the times. They are as behind the times as the old anti-abortion activists. The whole article will backfire on them, and if anything happens to the founders of SS, all they will have achieved is turn them into new Julian Assange, as a poster noticed earlier in this thread.
Zero empathy with the suffering and pain of the people here. Zero intellectual courage to confront the issue of suicide frontally. Those pseudo-journalists are like children putting their fingers in their ears : "Nah Nah Nah ! I don't wanna hear about it. The world is just flying unicorns and rainbows ". And to preserve that illusion, they will avoid any serious adult discussion about the issue, and just shoot down anyone who dares to raise it. That's it. The pseudo-journalists just wanted to show the world that they can control what people should do with their lives, that they can control the discussion by shutting it down and looking the other way, while getting high on their own perceived "power", like the same 4chan trolls they pretend to despise.
Contrast this with the Vice article, a real piece of serious journalism. Even though it was critical towards SS, it had at least the intellectual courage to confront the issue of suicide frontally and honestly. It showed some empathy with the population of this website, tried to raise a real mature discussion about why there isn't any space in the "normal" web for people who need SS
People Are Dying After Joining a 'Pro-Choice' Suicide Forum. How Much Is the Site to Blame?
Loss survivors are demanding an end to the site, and provoking a conversation about how little we know about the internet and suicide risk.
www.vice.com
The amateur bloggers ( they don't deserve to be called journalists) of the NYT piece are behind the times. They are as behind the times as the old anti-abortion activists. The whole article will backfire on them, and if anything happens to the founders of SS, all they will have achieved is turn them into new Julian Assange, as a poster noticed earlier in this thread.
houseofleaves
and this with thee remains.
- Jan 14, 2022
- 551
Reading this post, I realize the same is likely true for me. Being in a community of similar-minded, rational thinking people, exchanging thoughts and ideas, can itself be stabilizing, as it decreases the whole 'I have no idea what's out there, so I'm scared of the unknown' mentality. It helps you see things more rationally, as a whole.
Precisely. If one goes to the Internet Archive, (founded by the inventor of Alexa, and who gives a lot of money to media outlets), amd clicks on books, then "other collections, then scrolls down to "self-defense", as just one category, there's a huge amount of how-to manuals on homemade grenade launchers, C4, tons of Nazi propaganda and anti-Semitic tropes, germ warfare how-to, conversions of semi to full auto firearms, how to make silencers, how to assassinate, on and on and on. My point: that person who created the Internet Archive, and those admins who run it argue they're protected by the First Amendment, even though they are making available heinous material.
This site merely allows a non-judgmental "safe-space" for like-minded folks (alike philosophically). How is it that Mr. Alexa zillionaire can skate and continue to be a safe space for Nazis, and give them know-how, while this site only presents info. and also offers a form of what Carl Rogers would call "unconditional acceptance', one of essential cornerstones of Rogerian therapy? Absurd.
My hope would be that the ACLU would take this on, but with the Christian fascist Supreme Court, we have retrogressed significantly (if we ever truly made any progress whatsoever in the first place).
Been a very long time since I last returned. Anyways, with the numerous people around here that I have seen who like to express to another that their reason/s why they wanted to end their lives are stupid, or that they defend and do not mind racist beliefs, thoughts, and actions against minorities that are so prevalent throughout this nation, I am inclined to disagree. It's really sad to see you go, but the numerous comments I have read around here made me stop coming to this place. The feelings of empathy towards the suicidal, I will never forget how much that made me feel, ever since this community initially existed on reddit, but there are just so much tolerance and allowance towards actual toxicity that contradict how much many people actually care about one another.
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9BBN
Heaven, send Hell away
- Mar 29, 2021
- 377
Yes. This is a moral blind spot of society, and a double standard. "Zillionaire" is part of the reason. I would also like to see the ACLU take this on.
I am posting screenshots of TRULY vile, dangerous material that the State has decided, apparently is protected speech. You will see very quickly how absurd the NY Times' and others' contention that the content herein is more a danger than what is contained on the Internet Archive and is considered protected speech. Selective prosecution and acrobatic legal reasoning at its lowest. Is not the hypocrisy glaringly apparent to anyone above a 50 IQ? Of course, when the other potential target is a zillionaire who invented Alexa, I guess the State goes after a target whom they can bankrupt, if unsuccessful in prosecuting. I believe financial ruin is their endgame personally. The ACLU needs to jump in pro-bono.
I am posting screenshots of TRULY dangerous, vile, incendiary material that is considered protected speech in U.S. The NY Times would never take on the inventor-billionaire who created and is at the helm of the Internet Archive (he invented Alexa and sold it to Amazon for gobs of cash). It's a wonderful repository, but is a safe=space for nazis and allows access to the most dangerous shit I've ever laid my eyes upon. And again, it's apparently all protected under the First Amendment! And yet, the NY Times and zealous prosecutors-for-publicity-and-promotion deem this site and the info. contained herein more of a threat than what is freely available on the Internet Archive under "self-defense" and "survival/prepper" categories? This is selective prosecution with the aim to bankrupt imo. The ACLU needs to jump in pro-bono, else the First Amendment is good for nothing.
Judah
Enlightened
- Oct 1, 2020
- 1,553
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but he told me that he will not return to the site, he seemed frustrated by everything that happened
Sherri
Archangel
- Sep 28, 2020
- 13,794
Euthanza
Self Righteous Suicide
- Jun 9, 2022
- 1,431
This is the only forum on internet where my basic humans' right is acknowledged and my ability to make rational decision is respected. It's like 99:1 usefulness ratio compared to suicide crab-mentality-preventors hotlines which only talk nonsense while prolonging human sufferings.
Thank you for whatever you've done, you're a few good men with honesty and compassion. I wish you peace in real sense.
Thank you for whatever you've done, you're a few good men with honesty and compassion. I wish you peace in real sense.
mandyjohnuk
Specialist
- Jul 6, 2021
- 388
Hello my friend.
This is a sad day for this site and members here. Your work I feel won't be forgotten. If outsiders actually took the time to try and understand and actually find out what it is that's done here they would change there views. Good luck in what you do in the future.
This is a sad day for this site and members here. Your work I feel won't be forgotten. If outsiders actually took the time to try and understand and actually find out what it is that's done here they would change there views. Good luck in what you do in the future.
Still Flutter Girl
An alphabet soup of pain, pain, and more pain
- Jun 13, 2022
- 26
The NYT article is actually what helped me to find this site in the first place, so fuck them.
It's the first place I've found community, and the comfort of having that and a reliable method at hand made me give it a last try I never could've managed otherwise.
I wish more people would even THINK to consider how to help the suffering of others, instead of demonizing those that didn't have the luckier hand they were dealt. I did all the right things, was always generous and kind, and ended up abused and alone.
Society at large is WAY more culpable in many suicides than this site is…they're just looking for another place to direct the blame, while they continue to be selfish, uncaring capitalist pigs.
Hollowillow
The only place that allows negative feelings.
- Aug 7, 2022
- 1,515
Such a kind person. Thank you. Suicide hotlines were not helpful. But finding people who feel physical pain and long for death too gave me solace... Comfort. Right now you're all the only thing I still care about. People warning me not to say anything negative if we meet... Make me wish I was dead. Denying me my reality, emotions, comfort... In this suicide forum I feel truly myself & it makes me feel alive... Even though I'm dying in a bad environment ... Mostly from Abuse & my mistakes... Lack of belief in my pain doomed me to suffer not just physically but mentally... Doomed me to die... But here I'm no longer lonely. I'm a condesvending bitch but I love all of you. I wish we could hug each other to death
Yakamoz
passer-by
- Jun 26, 2022
- 310
LivideLamb
I'm so decaying, feeling like an ashtray
- Jan 5, 2020
- 365
AcidBurn
Member
- Feb 11, 2023
- 7
If anyone knows how to contact these gentlemen still (I assume someone does as he said he wanted to keep in contact), if they have not already they need to seek legal counsel.
You can go to jail for doxxing someone. Although doxxing itself is not illegal, it could contribute to another criminal offense like harassment, stalking, intimidation, identity theft, or incitement to violence, which is what it sounds like these two have had happen.
I found this site via a slam vid on youtube that wouldn't even mention the name but as I get in the CTB thought process from time to time, and the fact that I love research (it's all a mystery!) I found my way here.
I actually hadn't seen that NYT article as being a liberal they aren't a source of my media. After what I read on this in post though, you sirs have definitely got a case against them. For sure you may be able to sue for defamation if you're able to prove those statements about you are false, seeing the responses to this thread that could be supported. Not to mention the release of the PII resulted in cyberbullying at the very least!
Just my 2 cents.
You can go to jail for doxxing someone. Although doxxing itself is not illegal, it could contribute to another criminal offense like harassment, stalking, intimidation, identity theft, or incitement to violence, which is what it sounds like these two have had happen.
I found this site via a slam vid on youtube that wouldn't even mention the name but as I get in the CTB thought process from time to time, and the fact that I love research (it's all a mystery!) I found my way here.
I actually hadn't seen that NYT article as being a liberal they aren't a source of my media. After what I read on this in post though, you sirs have definitely got a case against them. For sure you may be able to sue for defamation if you're able to prove those statements about you are false, seeing the responses to this thread that could be supported. Not to mention the release of the PII resulted in cyberbullying at the very least!
Just my 2 cents.
wait.what
no really, what?
- Aug 14, 2020
- 985
I imagine that the NYT has deeper pockets than this site's owners, and unfortunately, that matters a great deal, especially in civil court. I don't think there's any hope of getting a criminal complaint going. I don't think Marquis realistically has legal recourse here.
I remain utterly furious at the irresponsibility of the 12/22 NYT article however, both because of the doxxing (which is unethical, if not illegal) and because in naming this site, they might as well have written the URL on the chalkboards of every high school in the U.S., and a large number of them abroad. The New York Times is widely considered essential educational material, and parents, teachers, and librarians go out of their way to ensure young people have access. Whichever editor assigned this piece to the writers knows perfectly well what the status of his or her newspaper is. They probably told themselves something that felt palatable, but the stark reality is that the NYT has struggled to make the transition from venerable print institution to the 21st century's online world. "Outrage porn" easily goes viral, and it sells. This article was pure outrage porn. It worked, too—suddenly the name of the New York Times is being dropped by YouTube influencers with primarily adolescent and young adult viewer bases. The NYT is seeming relevant again, and reaching a new generation. Good job, editor. All they had to do is drive a ton of traffic to a site they claim is a menace, and doxx a couple of people.
Had they done a fraction of the investigative journalism effing Kiwifarms did, they'd have been aware that most of the major search engines had removed SaSu as a potential search result earlier in 2022. This was to keep impulsively desperate people away from here, particularly if those people were minors. Google has since reversed that ban. How could it not? The New York Times reported on this place, and the story was picked up across the internet. It's news now.
There is a need for SaSu to exist, but it does not need to be easy for even the most casually curious to find. Quite obviously, children don't need to be here. And yet here they are. Large numbers of them, who might otherwise be doing literally anything else. I don't think you can ascribe any deaths or attempts to the NYT, not any more than you can ascribe them to SaSu itself, but it was still immensely stupid to basically stand in Times Square with a megaphone, shouting "Step right up to see the amazing suicide website. Let the kids in front, sir. Ma'am. Don't block their view."
As I said, there's no legal remedy here. The Times' punishment, such as it is, is that it has voluntarily yielded its investigative journalism credibility to Kiwifarms, inventors of the lolcow. Kiwifarms has now shown it can do both outrage porn and real reporting on increasingly-important online culture better than the Times, which continues to flounder in a post-print world.
Step right up kids, to see the incredible journalistic dinosaur! Take a selfie with it. Don't touch it, though! It's more fragile than it looks. Don't delete those pics, kids. Save them to show to your own children. They won't be seeing any of these around in their lifetime.
I remain utterly furious at the irresponsibility of the 12/22 NYT article however, both because of the doxxing (which is unethical, if not illegal) and because in naming this site, they might as well have written the URL on the chalkboards of every high school in the U.S., and a large number of them abroad. The New York Times is widely considered essential educational material, and parents, teachers, and librarians go out of their way to ensure young people have access. Whichever editor assigned this piece to the writers knows perfectly well what the status of his or her newspaper is. They probably told themselves something that felt palatable, but the stark reality is that the NYT has struggled to make the transition from venerable print institution to the 21st century's online world. "Outrage porn" easily goes viral, and it sells. This article was pure outrage porn. It worked, too—suddenly the name of the New York Times is being dropped by YouTube influencers with primarily adolescent and young adult viewer bases. The NYT is seeming relevant again, and reaching a new generation. Good job, editor. All they had to do is drive a ton of traffic to a site they claim is a menace, and doxx a couple of people.
Had they done a fraction of the investigative journalism effing Kiwifarms did, they'd have been aware that most of the major search engines had removed SaSu as a potential search result earlier in 2022. This was to keep impulsively desperate people away from here, particularly if those people were minors. Google has since reversed that ban. How could it not? The New York Times reported on this place, and the story was picked up across the internet. It's news now.
There is a need for SaSu to exist, but it does not need to be easy for even the most casually curious to find. Quite obviously, children don't need to be here. And yet here they are. Large numbers of them, who might otherwise be doing literally anything else. I don't think you can ascribe any deaths or attempts to the NYT, not any more than you can ascribe them to SaSu itself, but it was still immensely stupid to basically stand in Times Square with a megaphone, shouting "Step right up to see the amazing suicide website. Let the kids in front, sir. Ma'am. Don't block their view."
As I said, there's no legal remedy here. The Times' punishment, such as it is, is that it has voluntarily yielded its investigative journalism credibility to Kiwifarms, inventors of the lolcow. Kiwifarms has now shown it can do both outrage porn and real reporting on increasingly-important online culture better than the Times, which continues to flounder in a post-print world.
Step right up kids, to see the incredible journalistic dinosaur! Take a selfie with it. Don't touch it, though! It's more fragile than it looks. Don't delete those pics, kids. Save them to show to your own children. They won't be seeing any of these around in their lifetime.
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backtoearth
<3
- Sep 9, 2023
- 121
Sorry it has come to this, and thank you for everything you have done for this site and community. I cannot even imagine the amount of pressure and stress the media have caused you, and you will be missed here <3
-w-
Traveler
- Nov 10, 2023
- 85
Definitely an interesting read. Even though I wasn't around when you were running this site I am glad that it is still available and accessible. If your lurking and reading this, have a good one man. <3
