Discussion Muslims with suicidal ideation?

[bittersweetly]

I wonder if there are other Muslims here, but if there is
What was your experience like? What are your thoughts on it?
and the Abrahamic religions/Religions that forbid suicide in general are welcomed too

I am kinda religious and I truly love Islam and god, but it's difficult to live at the same time.
In my opinion, I think my religion is the reason that I'm still here. At least life has a purpose,I can consider that I am living for God and being rewarded without doing anything. Even if i just cry in bed all day, which is nice. But suicide never leaves my mind; I think about it all the time and i feel so guilty

I have this cycle where I'm depressed, so I do nothing, I sin, I think about suicide, then I plan to commit suicide and decide I'll get closer to God beforehand as much as I can so He'll forgive me. Then, when I do a lot of religious things, I feel it's not enough and I realize how guilty I really was. Then I get tired from everything ,think about the future and get depressed, and the cycle repeats.
Sometimes getting closer to God genuinely makes me feel better, but the next time I get depressed it's worse because I hate that i let myself go again.

I rarely see religious people talk about their suicide ideation And I don't think it's helpful. I think all people can become depressed and hopeless regardless of their religion or beliefs .

Please be respectful while sharing your thoughts if you hate islam/god just don't reply and move on

 

[Wolff603]

only reason i havent

 

[inconclusivesorbet]

Grew up in Islam in America
Feel this alot
I am not religious anymore but there was a while where my semblance of faith kept me tethered. Now torn asunder.
Im proud of you

 

[egyptian_baddie]

I am an ex-muslim but still live in islamic country. Nevertheless, i have been having a lot of bad thoughts about afterlife, i am scared that god punishes me for my homosexuality and suicide, i think of an eternal hell so often and feel terrible about it. I have been traumatized by this book called 'عذاب القبر ' and I think of what was said in that book so often. My suicide feels like i am gambling on afterlife, its a big part of my survival instinct. However i'm reminded that 'إن الله غفور رحيم ' and that maybe just maybe i be forgiven. I am confused more than ever about it. Living in an islamic country means that people cant pray for me after death , its wrong but thats what people believe in (including my family) they cant even hold a funeral to me because of suicide, thats why i want to make it look like an accident maybe.

 

[bittersweetly]

I am an ex-muslim but still live in islamic country. Nevertheless, i have been having a lot of bad thoughts about afterlife, i am scared that god punishes me for my homosexuality and suicide, i think of an eternal hell so often and feel terrible about it. I have been traumatized by this book called 'عذاب القبر ' and I think of what was said in that book so often. My suicide feels like i am gambling on afterlife, its a big part of my survival instinct. However i'm reminded that 'إن الله غفور رحيم ' and that maybe just maybe i be forgiven. I am confused more than ever about it. Living in an islamic country means that people cant pray for me after death , its wrong but thats what people believe in (including my family) they cant even hold a funeral to me because of suicide, thats why i want to make it look like an accident maybe.

Not sure how are you ex Muslim if you still believe in god but there is a Hadith about that if you only believe in god you won't be in eternal hell
رواه مسلم في صحيحه (135) عَنْ جَابِرٍ رضي الله عنه قَالَ : أَتَى النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ رَجُلٌ ، فَقَالَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ : مَا الْمُوجِبَتَانِ ؟

فَقَالَ : ( مَنْ مَاتَ لَا يُشْرِكُ بِاللَّهِ شَيْئًا دَخَلَ الْجَنَّةَ ، وَمَنْ مَاتَ يُشْرِكُ بِاللَّهِ شَيْئًا دَخَلَ النَّارَ) .

قال النووي رحمه الله : " َأَمَّا قَوْله ( مَا الْمُوجِبَتَانِ ؟ ) فَمَعْنَاهُ الْخَصْلَة الْمُوجِبَة لِلْجَنَّةِ , وَالْخَصْلَة الْمُوجِبَة لِلنَّارِ "
(Make sure to try to pray tho)
So even if you sin you might be punished for them but not forever and God is very forgiving as you said, no one is perfect just trying to be better is enough even if you couldn't
Aside from that you are an ex Muslim, I relate with your situation, I also have a trauma from a book i read when i was a child about علامات الساعه , and I'm suicidal , SH and use drugs+ My nationality is also Egyptian, even though I have never lived there but my parents did
i really love god , islam is very dear to me even if i was full of flaws, and that will never change
No one is flawless and you shouldn't give up just because you sin.

They are supposed to pray for you as long as you remain a Muslim and pray, Suicide is a sin but you are still a Muslim ?? I didn't know they do that iam sorry about that they are like this.

Side note but فعن عبد الله بن مسعود عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: سورة تبارك هي المانعة من عذاب القبر رواه أبو الشيخ
If you read Surah Al-Mulk daily, you really don't need to worry.

 

[Yogih212]

I fear a bit, but at the same time I know Allah is the most merciful, whatever happens if you die a good person a good muslim, you can be forgiven. He knows your state. Also the only reason I have suicidal ideation right now is because I am terminally declining in my cognitive and physical health :( I want to end it before I lose myself completely

 

[ineedtogetout]

Islam is so evil and causes so much evil things all around the world

 

[metfan647]

Islam is so evil and causes so much evil things all around the world

Not the right thread. If you hold such views, you can start a discussion in the philosophy section.

 

[OzymandiAsh]

I have a Muslim background. Never been very religion nor was I raised religiously (which I now think is actually somewhat regrettable). I do very much believe in Allah and my overall journey in life has made me more sympathetic to Islam than when I was a teenage atheist. But I don't believe in eternal hell and some other stuff.

To Allah we belong and to Him we return. :)

 

[zdeweilx]

Islam never made sense to me. Suicide is prohibited by 'God' but at the same time death is constantly being referred to as a gate towards eternal bliss and happiness. Also their main prophet suffered from severe suicidal urges and almost killed himself more than once.

 

[aufrechtm7]

Islam never made sense to me. Suicide is prohibited by 'God' but at the same time death is constantly being referred to as a gate towards eternal bliss and happiness. Also their main prophet suffered from severe suicidal urges and almost killed himself more than once.

This isn't really the thread for that but what you're saying applies to almost every major religion. Their lives are owned by Allah and they don't have the right to claim it for themselves, also makes no sense for people to suicide to reach eternal bliss early. Muhammad faced various spiritual trials as well, I don't know where multiple comes from though.

 

[Wolff603]

Islam never made sense to me. Suicide is prohibited by 'God' but at the same time death is constantly being referred to as a gate towards eternal bliss and happiness. Also their main prophet suffered from severe suicidal urges and almost killed himself more than once.

Mohammed (SAW) wasnt hte only major prophet in the bible, torah, or quran that suffered suicidal urges, and even then, the suicidal urges was from a narration from a hadith from who I believe was Aisha (AS), talking about him wanting to jump off a cliff, which was later figured out to be completely fabricated.

Examples of other prophets who suffered suicidal urges: Elijah, Jonah, and Job.

 

[zdeweilx]

This isn't really the thread for that but what you're saying applies to almost every major religion. Their lives are owned by Allah and they don't have the right to claim it for themselves, also makes no sense for people to suicide to reach eternal bliss early. Muhammad faced various spiritual trials as well, I don't know where multiple comes from though.

He just faced suicidal urges like the rest of us. But i have to admit he made a terrific business out of it

 

[bittersweetly]

He just faced suicidal urges like the rest of us. But i have to admit he made a terrific business out of it

I really don't understand can't you read or what I was saying at the end of the post? Disrespectful comments are not allowed here.
The Prophet was also a human being like all other people; he is not a god and he was not infallible.he also can feel emotional distress in hard situations +This was before the prophethood.
Islam is not a "business"?? I really don't care what your beliefs are but be respectful for other's beliefs or shut up.

 

[aufrechtm7]

He just faced suicidal urges like the rest of us. But i have to admit he made a terrific business out of it

Yes, and those could be considered spiritual trials to people of practically any religion. Islam isn't a business, I don't agree with Islam myself but that doesn't make it okay to spread lies. People have a right to believe in what they want and if it gives them the strength to live…that's a good thing.

 

[thefarter]

oh :3 i like this..

so basically.. i got doxxed and >_< its pretty impossible to live past..
and also the people who doxxed me/are bullying me/are on my case are trying to make me feel crazy too..
so i've lowkey lost my mind and lost touch with reality..
sooooo when i kill myself, soon, with SN, i won't burn in hell for eternity becus.. i am not of sound mind, so i won't be held accountable for my suicide

but yeah if i had my sanity, i probably wouldn't be killing myself soon. because i don't think burning in hell for eternity, killing myself the same way over and over forever, is worth it. in that case, just be patient: you will die. it is inevitable

 

[Kanoh]

oh :3 i like this..

so basically.. i got doxxed and >_< its pretty impossible to live past..
and also the people who doxxed me/are bullying me/are on my case are trying to make me feel crazy too..
so i've lowkey lost my mind and lost touch with reality..
sooooo when i kill myself, soon, with SN, i won't burn in hell for eternity becus.. i am not of sound mind, so i won't be held accountable for my suicide

but yeah if i had my sanity, i probably wouldn't be killing myself soon. because i don't think burning in hell for eternity, killing myself the same way over and over forever, is worth it. in that case, just be patient: you will die. it is inevitable

You have your sanity, you are conscious and aware that suicide is a sin in your religion yet you decide to do it anyway for your own comfort. You think you're smarter than your god and can fool him?

 

[bittersweetly]

You have your sanity, you are conscious and aware that suicide is a sin in your religion yet you decide to do it anyway for your own comfort. You think you're smarter than your god and can fool him?

You can not understand the other person's struggles. You are not a judge to determine whether someone is in their right mind or not.I tried to kill someone once in my life. I knew it was wrong and sinful, but I was in an unstable mental state and wasn't thinking straight. I would even say it out loud, that I was going to kill them, and I truly meant it, even though inside I was being torn apart because I really didn't want to, and I *knew* it was wrong, but my mind was forcing me.
But I believe that no matter what mental state you're currently in, you should try to never give up(which i know is so hard when you're depressed),shouldn't stop trying to change. Just keep trying. Even if you think you're completely crazy, try to change. Even if you don't succeed, you tried, and God is forgiving and merciful.

 

[aufrechtm7]

so basically.. i got doxxed and >_< its pretty impossible to live past..
and also the people who doxxed me/are bullying me/are on my case are trying to make me feel crazy too..
so i've lowkey lost my mind and lost touch with reality..
sooooo when i kill myself, soon, with SN, i won't burn in hell for eternity becus.. i am not of sound mind, so i won't be held accountable for my suicide

It probably doesn't mean much from a stranger but I'm sorry you've had to deal with that…

You have your sanity, you are conscious and aware that suicide is a sin in your religion yet you decide to do it anyway for your own comfort. You think you're smarter than your god and can fool him?

That's not how that works or what they're saying at all, and suicide can't bring comfort. You can't have comfort when you cease to exist.

 

[Kanoh]

It probably doesn't mean much from a stranger but I'm sorry you've had to deal with that…

That's not how that works or what they're saying at all, and suicide can't bring comfort. You can't have comfort when you cease to exist.

They clearly believe there is heaven after death and they won't go to hell because of "unsound mind". Heaven is not comfort?

You can not understand the other person's struggles. You are not a judge to determine whether someone is in their right mind or not.I tried to kill someone once in my life. I knew it was wrong and sinful, but I was in an unstable mental state and wasn't thinking straight. I would even say it out loud, that I was going to kill them, and I truly meant it, even though inside I was being torn apart because I really didn't want to, and I *knew* it was wrong, but my mind was forcing me.
But I believe that no matter what mental state you're currently in, you should try to never give up(which i know is so hard when you're depressed),shouldn't stop trying to change. Just keep trying. Even if you think you're completely crazy, try to change. Even if you don't succeed, you tried, and God is forgiving and merciful.

Almost killing someone on a spot acting on emotions is different than being able to proclaim on a post "oh that's cool, i won't go to hell because I have unsound mine". That is a clear plan and intent. Believing this is justifiable is like believing allah won't punish you for drinking when you drink at night cause he can't see you then.

 

[ladidabi]

They clearly believe there is heaven after death and they won't go to hell because of "unsound mind". Heaven is not comfort?

Almost killing someone on a spot acting on emotions is different than being able to proclaim on a post "oh that's cool, i won't go to hell because I have unsound mine". That is a clear plan and intent. Believing this is justifiable is like believing allah won't punish you for drinking when you drink at night cause he can't see you then.

Mentioned multiple times in the thread, but trying to argue religion when OP wants to hear experiences from religious people suffering is quite disrespectful. You're completely ignoring the pain from someone who has a belief you disagree with. Anyone can be depressed and end up committing. Read their original post again. OP is not doing well, but finds comfort in religion.

I'm an ex-muslim and disagree heavily with islam, but it's not the place to challenge it, especially for someone who is already suffering and trying to connect with people alike. Yes they believe in heaven and hell, you see this in all abrahamic religions, and then what? Because of that reason, they feel less pain than a person not religious because maybe there is something after death?

Look in front of you, people are suffering, regardless of religion. If a person finds some kind of comfort by following a belief, what is the problem here?

We are not evolved to want to suffer. Nobody wants suffering. People can only hold on to so much.

 

[fkyou]

Ex Muslim..I don't have this problem

 

[aufrechtm7]

They clearly believe there is heaven after death and they won't go to hell because of "unsound mind". Heaven is not comfort?

Sorry, I misspoke entirely on that part so ignore it. Just because you're aware that you're not of sound mind doesn't mean you're sane, and knowing what is sin and engaging in it doesn't mean they're trying to fool Allah. People aren't perfect beings man.

 

[Kanoh]

Mentioned multiple times in the thread, but trying to argue religion when OP wants to hear experiences from religious people suffering is quite disrespectful. You're completely ignoring the pain from someone who has a belief you disagree with. Anyone can be depressed and end up committing. Read their original post again. OP is not doing well, but finds comfort in religion.

I'm an ex-muslim and disagree heavily with islam, but it's not the place to challenge it, especially for someone who is already suffering and trying to connect with people alike. Yes they believe in heaven and hell, you see this in all abrahamic religions, and then what? Because of that reason, they feel less pain than a person not religious because maybe there is something after death?

Look in front of you, people are suffering, regardless of religion. If a person finds some kind of comfort by following a belief, what is the problem here?

We are not evolved to want to suffer. Nobody wants suffering. People can only hold on to so much.

I wasn't responding to the OP though, I was responding to another person in the thread due to a blatant hypocrisy they demonstrated. This is a public thread on a public forum so if you're gonna post that tirade of a post yourself don't go telling me what I can or can't comment, go moralize someone else.

 

[ladidabi]

I wasn't responding to the OP though, I was responding to another person in the thread due to a blatant hypocrisy they demonstrated. This is a public thread on a public forum so if you're gonna post that tirade of a post yourself don't go telling me what I can or can't comment, go moralize someone else.

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[Kanoh]

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Your point? Not a single mention about religion on the rules. Religion is being shit on on a regular basis here. For a good reason.

 

[aufrechtm7]

I wasn't responding to the OP though, I was responding to another person in the thread due to a blatant hypocrisy they demonstrated. This is a public thread on a public forum so if you're gonna post that tirade of a post yourself don't go telling me what I can or can't comment, go moralize someone else.

That wasn't hypocrisy though, you can be anti religion…there's just no need to rain on someone else's parade

 

[Kanoh]

That wasn't hypocrisy though, you can be anti religion…there's just no need to rain on someone else's parade

If someone found solace in fantasizing about pedophilia or rape or murder would you be saying the same?

 

[kitkatt]

As an atheist I can't say much on any of these topics but I apologize for any ignorance that you may hear while searching for this answer. May others here more versed in this subject help you find the answers you need

 

[aufrechtm7]

If someone found solace in fantasizing about pedophilia or rape or murder would you be saying the same?

Except that isn't the case here lol, if you're only doing this to flex your anti Islam sentiments just make your own thread.