Resource Just drank SN + DMSO

[JustAboutDone]

Oh it wasn't you. It's just wanted to say after this whole thread and other threads. I just don't know how communicate and don't know how respond. So it's a mess. I don't know how talk right

You communicate perfectly and are highly articulate. Please don't think anyone is down on you - they are not in any way, it is a communal annoyance with xerxes.

I can appreciate the feelings of exhaustion and frustration with living with chronic pain.

Everyone who joins the forum is part of a community and everyone is valued - even if people squabble from time to time - and no one wants anyone to be victim to any death that is more painful than it has to be so people are always protective of the community, of which you are a part.

I hope someone can find an eBay link to anti emetics for you x I have been looking

 

[Minudah]

I just bought meto on Friday from a Greek seller on Ebay ($36.00, free shipping). I used PayPal and I'm in the US.

It hasn't come yet, so we'll see.

Do you have a link to it? I probably bought fake meto and will do so as many times as necessary to not have to drink DMSO

I went for a regular check up for my diabetes but said that i had been feeling sick for a few days.
He was going to dispense other anti emetic but i requested metoclopramide as i have had it before for a genuine nausea and said it had worked well.
So he dispensed it ! He was a rather new gp to the surgery so didnt seem to think twice about it !
I know its wrong to lie but i wanted it.
Where there is a will,there is a way.

Can you get it for chronic nausea? You just ask for it? I'm so sick of making doctor appointments just to try (and fail) to get ctb meds, but I guess I might be doing that again...

 

[Lara Francis]

Do you have a link to it? I probably bought fake meto and will do so as many times as necessary to not have to drink DMSO


Can you get it for chronic nausea? You just ask for it? I'm so sick of making doctor appointments just to try (and fail) to get ctb meds, but I guess I might be doing that again...

I asked for it at the end of the appointment just saying that i was feeling sick because of headaches which were related to stress and anxiety.
I think if i had seen my normal gp , he would have been alittle more careful as he knows my history.
But more fool them !

 

[WhiteRabbit]

Do you have a link to it? I probably bought fake meto and will do so as many times as necessary to not have to drink DMSO


Can you get it for chronic nausea? You just ask for it? I'm so sick of making doctor appointments just to try (and fail) to get ctb meds, but I guess I might be doing that again...

I'll PM you

 

[Nanami]

I cleaned up the thread a little bit.
Please keep the discussion about the topic of the thread.
Whether there are questions you want to ask, point out flaws of the method, etc. is all fine as long as it is done in a respectful way.

 

[Deleted member 4993]

E.bay number:
173139105505
Primperan

 

[Deleted member 4993]

@Minudah
PM me if you can't find it

 

[John434]

Do you have a link to it? I probably bought fake meto and will do so as many times as necessary to not have to drink DMSO


Can you get it for chronic nausea? You just ask for it? I'm so sick of making doctor appointments just to try (and fail) to get ctb meds, but I guess I might be doing that again...

Check Bonanza, it's where I got mine, just type it in the search bar

 

[WhiteRabbit]

So I guess Xerex is out?

I'd like to find a method to be honest, I mean after all, I did come here for some guidance on how to kill myself. Now I just don't know which one.

The tried and true methods are the only ones left
To choose from. Thanks chinaski for making it pleasant for me you did a great job as always.
Good thing I can afford a gun. Peace out...

If you can afford a gun, can't you just buy some N?

 

[Vaughn]

So I guess Xerex is out?

I'd like to find a method to be honest, I mean after all, I did come here for some guidance on how to kill myself. Now I just don't know which one.

The tried and true methods are the only ones left
To choose from. Thanks chinaski for making it pleasant for me you did a great job as always.
Good thing I can afford a gun. Peace out...

after that rant -what are you saying that contributes to the thread ?

 

[Mich517]

They're not worth a crap if they are only on this site mate.
You're also the guy claiming sources, so let's all see the reliable evidence!

I don't have saved that threads. I remember one, where a guy told he had ingested Sodium Nitrite I guess with DMSO and his last post was "lying here scared" or something similar.

 

[Rex2019]

What kind of keyboard configuration would make you accidentally type brackets and equals signs?

I thought a lot about whether I should write this or not since I don't like confrontations. But I felt it needed to be said especially because I have seen a lot of the same skeptics popping up on every ctb/good bye blog and calling it fake.

First of all, on my laptop at least, the = is right above [ ] and I can type both without using shift or anything. Just fyi.

Now to the main point: all of you skeptics yourself claim that nothing posted here about ppl ctb has any value since it can't be verified and no one will believe it. Having said it yourself, why do you people feel the need to come to every post and attack the op calling BS? What are you fighting for? Obviously according to yourselves, no one is going to believe it. So why don't you refrain from harrassing the OPs and others? Is there a chance than the posts are fake? Yes, there is. I think everyone on here knows that. But is there a chance they are true? Yes there is. Not all attempts are made by people who plan everything meticulously. Now out of the 2 choices, which one is more harmful? Is it more harmful if an OP genuinely is trying to ctb and posts and instead of support receives cynicism and gets called a liar and is harrasesed? Or is it more harmful if we don't call out trolls? I think it's the former.

So please , i request respectfully that you all refrain from calling OPs liars and harassing them on their posts. I think all of us face enough judgement and cynicism in the outside world. The point of this forum is to give SUPPORT and NOT TO JUDGE others for the failed/successful ctbs. If people start calling BS on posts and suspecting other users as liars with agenda or generally harrassing others, I feel its not keeping with the ethos of this forum. I don't think it will create a pleasant environment here. So please, keep your doubts to yourself. if you feel someone is a troll, you can always not follow/see the post. And as you guys said, no one is going to believe anything here, so there is nothing for you save/ defend. Leave the Op and others who are supporting them alone. Calling people out is going to do more harm than good.

 

[JustAboutDone]

Not talking about today but more generally:
In some ways I find it a bit reassuring when some people do call out trolls or those on a goodbye thread - who established users recognise as alts or not genuine - as I get sad when people say they are ctb then turn up in my pm wanting money. And it makes me feel terrible when I say no and they say they have no choice but to ctb.

So I feel intimidated by people being disingenuous

 

[Vaughn]

I thought a lot about whether I should write this or not since I don't like confrontations. But I felt it needed to be said especially because I have seen a lot of the same skeptics popping up on every ctb/good bye blog and calling it fake.

First of all, on my laptop at least, the = is right above [ ] and I can type both without using shift or anything. Just fyi.

Now to the main point: all of you skeptics yourself claim that nothing posted here about ppl ctb has any value since it can't be verified and no one will believe it. Having said it yourself, why do you people feel the need to come to every post and attack the op calling BS? What are you fighting for? Obviously according to yourselves, no one is going to believe it. So why don't you refrain from harrassing the OPs and others? Is there a chance than the posts are fake? Yes, there is. I think everyone on here knows that. But is there a chance they are true? Yes there is. Not all attempts are made by people who plan everything meticulously. Now out of the 2 choices, which one is more harmful? Is it more harmful if an OP genuinely is trying to ctb and posts and instead of support receives cynicism and gets called a liar and is harrasesed? Or is it more harmful if we don't call out trolls? I think it's the former.

So please , i request respectfully that you all refrain from calling OPs liars and harassing them on their posts. I think all of us face enough judgement and cynicism in the outside world. The point of this forum is to give SUPPORT and NOT TO JUDGE others for the failed/successful ctbs. If people start calling BS on posts and suspecting other users as liars with agenda or generally harrassing others, I feel its not keeping with the ethos of this forum. I don't think it will create a pleasant environment here. So please, keep your doubts to yourself. if you feel someone is a troll, you can always not follow/see the post. And as you guys said, no one is going to believe anything here, so there is nothing for you save/ defend. Leave the Op and others who are supporting them alone. Calling people out is going to do more harm than good.

thank you

 

[Sickman75]

I don't have saved that threads. I remember one, where a guy told he had ingested Sodium Nitrite I guess with DMSO and his last post was "lying here scared" or something similar.

after that rant -what are you saying that contributes to the thread ?

what would have I added, maybe start there?
Dsom is just a carrier it has no correlative evidence that contributes in SN or it's properties.
SN is till highly toxic taken in small doses and in large obviosly, as far as I know there is no published documentation that provides accurate results.
Unless you want to keep this going on, maybe you do.

 

[Rex2019]

Not talking about today but more generally:
In some ways I find it a bit reassuring when some people do call out trolls or those on a goodbye thread - who established users recognise as alts or not genuine - as I get sad when people say they are ctb then turn up in my pm wanting money. And it makes me feel terrible when I say no and they say they have no choice but to ctb.

I do not think anyone can 100% say someone is a troll. And if you see the posts on this thread..I mean it's appalling. Someone says they are trying to ctb and people start talking shit about them. Calling them liars. How did you type this that. Then cocongratulating each other on catching "trolls". Then Calling other users other than op trolls, saying they are fake..because they are on all the posts with DSMO...then other users getting angry and retaliating. I mean, my God. Is this the atmosphere you want here? I don't know how you find this kind of behavior reassuring. I certainly don't.

 

[Chinaski]

Now to the main point: all of you skeptics yourself claim that nothing posted here about ppl ctb has any value since it can't be verified and no one will believe it.

This is correct. There is a huge difference between calling literally every ctb a fake, which is what you're describing in your post, and making the very valid point that very few ctbs can be confirmed and assuming one person has passed peacefully with a new and novelty method based on anonymous online postings alone is potentially very dangerous.

I think all of us face enough judgement and cynicism in the outside world. The point of this forum is to give SUPPORT and NOT TO JUDGE others for the failed/successful ctbs. If people start calling BS on posts and suspecting other users as liars with agenda or generally harrassing others, I feel its not keeping with the ethos of this forum. I don't think it will create a pleasant environment here. So please, keep your doubts to yourself.

I suggest the opposite of this. The "ethos" you seem to be describing, the fluffy compassionate safe haven of empathy, without a single check or balance, is what has allowed numerous scammers, manipulators, malicious alts and bad sock-puppeting to thrive. If the atmosphere occasionally seems unpleasant that is the fault of those behind the significant number of phoneys, scammers and fakers who have created the need for caution, not with those who exercise this caution with a balanced judgement. Furthermore, l strongly object to your use of the word "harassment" in this context, but that's by the by.

 

[JustAboutDone]

I do not think anyone can 100% say someone is a troll. And if you see the posts on this thread..I mean it's appalling. Someone says they are trying to ctb and people start talking shit about them. Calling them liars. How did you type this that. Then cocongratulating each other on catching "trolls". Then Calling other users other than op trolls, saying they are fake..because they are on all the posts with DSMO...then other users getting angry and retaliating. I mean, my God. Is this the atmosphere you want here? I don't know how you find this kind of behavior reassuring. I certainly don't.

I did say in my post:

"Not talking about today but more generally"
Please don't vent your spleen at me.

 

[Sickman75]

You know I feel pretty shitty about it. I didn't want to argue. I tried to get out of it, I really did.
I don't think it's good that we bully a person who just got done trying to catch the bus because they took dsom are you kidding me here? Omfg. If I tried to ctb and it failed my head would be spun and then be delebritaly harrased because I didn't take a tried and true method of ctb Ok. Just because a few users want to Xerexes method out of the picture. Class act. There couldn't have been a more positive way than what happened?
You riddiculed me and called me names man when I was trying to opt out. That makes you feel great doesn't it? People can just call you names and say whatever they want to you. I guess so.

 

[Rex2019]

Great respect for your post, Rex, but it's just that we are afraid of some people deliberately posting false information. That of course can be most critical for us. Places like this do sometimes attract strangely crazy malevolent people, like that forum where someone calling himself The Colonel, and others, seemingly devoting their whole lives harassing people who for one reason or another wish to move on to the next world sooner rather than later.

You can't have it both ways. On one hand the skeptics claim that nothing on here can be believed since nothing can be proved. You are saying you are afraid of people posting false info here. How do you draw the line? How do you decide this OPs or someone else's posts are fake? Because the "skeptics" felt like it? So just because they felt it is fake, it gives them the right to harass people? Like seriously. What is the standard based on which we decide who is a liar? Is it, " oh a group of us feel you are fake. So it's ok to harass you." Because if so that is a dangerous precedent. There is no way we can establish the veracity or falsehood of any posts here. Especially in failed ctb cases. All you end up doing is discouraging people from posting. Is it not conceivable that people like the OP here are posting about this because there is so little info about this method. Maybe their aim is to help others. Instead people call them liars. What does this accomplish? It only discourages posting anything new that they tried coz God forbid if you failed to ctb, you can come back to a bunch of people calling you everything from stupid to a liar. Like seriously guys. As someone said before isnt the world harsh enough. And anyway everyone knows 100% you can't believe everything on here. But I'd like people who are experimenting, to feel free to post here without judgement and harrassment. To know that if they fail or do something stupid, we will be here to support them and to not judge them

 

[Rex2019]

I did say in my post:

"Not talking about today but more generally"
Please don't vent your spleen at me.

Sorry. True. I meant even generally speaking it's hard to find trolls and will just lead to a situation like this thread

 

[Chinaski]

You can't have it both ways. On one hand the skeptics claim that nothing on here can be believed since nothing can be proved. You are saying you are afraid of people posting false info here. How do you draw the line? How do you decide this OPs or someone else's posts are fake? Because the "skeptics" felt like it? So just because they felt it is fake, it gives them the right to harass people? Like seriously. What is the standard based on which we decide who is a liar? Is it, " oh a group of us feel you are fake. So it's ok to harass you." Because if so that is a dangerous precedent. There is no way we can establish the veracity or falsehood of any posts here. Especially in failed ctb cases. All you end up doing is discouraging people from posting. Is it not conceivable that people like the OP here are posting about this because there is so little info about this method. Maybe their aim is to help others. Instead people call them liars. What does this accomplish? It only discourages posting anything new that they tried coz God forbid if you failed to ctb, you can come back to a bunch of people calling you everything from stupid to a liar. Like seriously guys. As someone said before isnt the world harsh enough. And anyway everyone knows 100% you can't believe everything on here. But I'd like people who are experimenting, to feel free to post here without judgement and harrassment. To know that if they fail or do something stupid, we will be here to support them and to not judge them

Come off it now. There's been a daily routine of liveblogging an attempt to ctb via a method propelled by one particular user, who everyone seems ready and willing to enthusiastically accept has somehow peacefully passed. It warrants a reality check, given the high stakes. Whatever safe space you want this to be, it should not be a safe space for those who wish to propel false information for kicks, which could cause serious harm to others.

You know I feel pretty shitty about it. I didn't want to argue. I tried to get out of it, I really did.
I don't think it's good that we bully a person who just got done trying to catch the bus because they took dsom are you kidding me here? Omfg. If I tried to ctb and it failed my head would be spun and then be delebritaly harrased because I didn't take a tried and true method of ctb Ok. Just because a few users want to Xerexes method out of the picture. Class act. There couldn't have been a more positive way than what happened?
You riddiculed me and called me names man when I was trying to opt out. That makes you feel great doesn't it? People can just call you names and say whatever they want to you. I guess so.

This cry-bullying is getting beyond pathetic now, the earlier exchange has been deleted (much to my annoyance, given how it completely disproved this weaselly crap you're attempting to push now), clearly nobody gives a fuck, turn it in.

 

[Rex2019]

This is correct. There is a huge difference between calling literally every ctb a fake, which is what you're describing in your post, and making the very valid point that very few ctbs can be confirmed and assuming one person has passed peacefully with a new and novelty method based on anonymous online postings alone is potentially very dangerous.



I suggest the opposite of this. The "ethos" you seem to be describing, the fluffy compassionate safe haven of empathy, without a single check or balance, is what has allowed numerous scammers, manipulators, malicious alts and bad sock-puppeting to thrive. If the atmosphere occasionally seems unpleasant that is the fault of those behind the significant number of phoneys, scammers and fakers who have created the need for caution, not with those who exercise this caution with a balanced judgement. Furthermore, l strongly object to your use of the word "harassment" in this context, but that's by the by.

If you tried to ctb and posted about it, and people all called you a liar trying to seek attention...if that's not harrassment what is it?

Also exactly how are you doing the check and balance on here? Care to elaborate? All I see is " oh I don't believe you, you are a liar..coz I just got a feeling you can't type like that or you are on all the demo posts so you must be a troll or your photos look funny" last I checked if you could not prove or disprove and at least in the justice system, we give people benefit of doubt. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?! Also I think people can protect themselves from trolls. If your definition of protecting users is calling OPs liars, I'd rather that you don't protect anyone.

 

[Sickman75]

Come off it now. There's been a daily routine of liveblogging an attempt to ctb via a method propelled by one particular user, who everyone seems ready and willing to enthusiastically accept has somehow peacefully passed. It warrants a reality check, given the high stakes. Whatever safe space you want this to be, it should not be a safe space for those who wish to propel false information for kicks, which could cause serious harm to others.



This cry-bullying is getting beyond pathetic now, the earlier exchange has been deleted (much to my annoyance, given how it completely disproved this weaselly crap you're attempting to push now), clearly nobody gives a fuck, turn it in.

You are bully. Does that make feel superior? Feel better?

 

[Rex2019]

Come off it now. There's been a daily routine of liveblogging an attempt to ctb via a method propelled by one particular user, who everyone seems ready and willing to enthusiastically accept has somehow peacefully passed. It warrants a reality check, given the high stakes. Whatever safe space you want this to be, it should not be a safe space for those who wish to propel false information for kicks, which could cause serious harm to others.



This cry-bullying is getting beyond pathetic now, the earlier exchange has been deleted (much to my annoyance, given how it completely disproved this weaselly crap you're attempting to push now), clearly nobody gives a fuck, turn it in.

Look man, I am not trying to say "oh everyone including criminals must be blindly protected, blah blah" What I'm trying to say is this: on this forum, it is very difficult to know who is a troll and who is not. So I feel calling people like the OP and the other person trolls and then proceeding to harass them is unwarranted. Now Dsmo method maybe attractive to many people. People are trying it and posting about it. If the method is fake, I think we as a community gain more if people who try it post and discuss than if you guys harass those people or others into silence so no one who is trying it posts about it due to fear of being called a liar. How will we know if the method is fake or not? Or what happens with them method? Do you have some sort of proof? No you are saying basically, a lot of people are trying it and failing so all those people must be trolls. I don't know how you get to that conclusion. It is only because people who tried posted about it so we have some knowledge. You are now saying there is someone whom if I understand, you have some sort of proof is a troll( if I understand correctly?) If so report them to the moderators and deal with them appropriately. All I'm saying is, just because you found someone is a troll, just assuming that all the other people like the op and minudah are trolls and then calling them liars is not a great strategy. Just ends up with some innocent people feeling sad and hurt. Anyway just my 2 cents.

 

[Chinaski]

You are bully. Does that make feel superior? Feel better?

You've embarrassed yourself by pointlessly picking a fight and got told to fuck off. That's not bullying, I'm afraid.

If you tried to ctb and posted about it, and people all called you a liar trying to seek attention...if that's not harrassment what is it?

Also exactly how are you doing the check and balance on here? Care to elaborate? All I see is " oh I don't believe you, you are a liar..coz I just got a feeling you can't type like that or you are on all the demo posts so you must be a troll or your photos look funny" last I checked if you could not prove or disprove and at least in the justice system, we give people benefit of doubt. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?! Also I think people can protect themselves from trolls. If your definition of protecting users is calling OPs liars, I'd rather that you don't protect anyone.

The "innocent until proven guilty" thing works well in theory, but is not quite appropriate here where literally all we have to go on is the content each individual shares. If it looks suss, and can establish clear and obvious reasons as to why it looks suss, it's absolutely fine to say so, in fact I'd say it's good practice here to put those views out in the open, given the reasonable number of bullshit accounts that have passed through here with all manner of dubious intentions.

You might not have been here when they emerged but at least two N scammers, and other dubious users besides, have been given their marching orders as a result of a couple of sceptical users having the balls to confront it publicly. Anyone can believe what they wish to here, but if something looks a bit off, it generally is, and it's not something I'd be keen to ignore because it offends a few who prefer comfortable bullshit to the often uncomfortable truth.

 

[OfficerK]

I thought a lot about whether I should write this or not since I don't like confrontations. But I felt it needed to be said especially because I have seen a lot of the same skeptics popping up on every ctb/good bye blog and calling it fake.

First of all, on my laptop at least, the = is right above [ ] and I can type both without using shift or anything. Just fyi.

Now to the main point: all of you skeptics yourself claim that nothing posted here about ppl ctb has any value since it can't be verified and no one will believe it. Having said it yourself, why do you people feel the need to come to every post and attack the op calling BS? What are you fighting for? Obviously according to yourselves, no one is going to believe it. So why don't you refrain from harrassing the OPs and others? Is there a chance than the posts are fake? Yes, there is. I think everyone on here knows that. But is there a chance they are true? Yes there is. Not all attempts are made by people who plan everything meticulously. Now out of the 2 choices, which one is more harmful? Is it more harmful if an OP genuinely is trying to ctb and posts and instead of support receives cynicism and gets called a liar and is harrasesed? Or is it more harmful if we don't call out trolls? I think it's the former.

So please , i request respectfully that you all refrain from calling OPs liars and harassing them on their posts. I think all of us face enough judgement and cynicism in the outside world. The point of this forum is to give SUPPORT and NOT TO JUDGE others for the failed/successful ctbs. If people start calling BS on posts and suspecting other users as liars with agenda or generally harrassing others, I feel its not keeping with the ethos of this forum. I don't think it will create a pleasant environment here. So please, keep your doubts to yourself. if you feel someone is a troll, you can always not follow/see the post. And as you guys said, no one is going to believe anything here, so there is nothing for you save/ defend. Leave the Op and others who are supporting them alone. Calling people out is going to do more harm than good.

I feel you. My post is rude, and I was hesitant about whether I should post it at all. In previous threads I have said the same thing as you are here, urging people to be respectful and to give people the benefit of the doubt. However, we've recently gotten to the point where there are so many suspicious "attempts" that deviate from and contradict earlier more believable claimed attempts, and that all seem to be convinced that a drug combination even less tried than the standard SN setup. Trolling is not always harmless and inconsequential, especially when its purpose is to persuade others to use a very dubious new method and cause them harm. In that case it might better to be extra careful not to risk letting them influence others, as opposed to being careful not to hurt someone's feelings.

Before posting I checked three different configurations to see if I could replicate his post and failed to do so. Perhaps you have a keyboard that is different from every keyboard I've owned, and he has the same keyboard. But even if that were the case, how do you explain the dramatic change from being able to write perfectly well to being unable to write at all mid-sentence? And why would he hit "post"? With the exception of one other person, who displayed some suspicious behavior that made people question his honesty (which is rare), nobody that I can think of has had a reaction similar to OP's.

 

[Sickman75]

@Chinaski bullies need to look superior and you want to say you told me to fuck off to humilate me or embarrass me? You better come up with something better than that for it to work.


@Mich517 if I said anything to you that made you uncomfortable I apologize that wasn't my intention at all. This really fucked your thread up that posted about in the first place. Thanks for sharing your experience with SS anyways.

 

[Chinaski]

If so report them to the moderators and deal with them appropriately.

I'd also add here that this again works fine in theory, but places a great deal of trust in staff to act accordingly and l personally think the users are far more effective at pointing out suspicious behaviour to other users than staff are with dealing with it, tbh.

 

[Rex2019]

I feel you. My post is rude, and I was hesitant about whether I should post it at all. In previous threads I have said the same thing as you are here, urging people to be respectful and to give people the benefit of the doubt. However, we've recently gotten to the point where there are so many suspicious "attempts" that deviate from and contradict earlier more believable claimed attempts, and that all seem to be convinced that a drug combination even less tried than the standard SN setup. Trolling is not always harmless and inconsequential, especially when its purpose is to persuade others to use a very dubious new method and cause them harm. In that case it might better to be extra careful not to risk letting them influence others, as opposed to being careful not to hurt someone's feelings. T

Before posting, I checked three different configurations to see if I could replicate his post and failed to do so. Perhaps you have a keyboard that is different from every keyboard I've owned, and he has the same keyboard. But even if that were the case, how do you explain the dramatic change from being able to write perfectly well to being unable to write at all mid-sentence? And why would he hit "post"? With the exception of one other person, who displayed some suspicious behavior that made people question his honesty (which is rare), nobody that I can think of has had a reaction similar to OP's.

See again, it's all about how was it typed like that blah blah. I don't know maybe the person's vision dimmed half way through? Who knows? Exactly what should someone do not to look suspicious. Write perfectly till they stop writing? Write messed up from beginning? Look man like I said before, is there a chance, they are trolls? There is. Is there a chance they are not trolls? Yes there is. In such a situation, acting out on which belief is going to cause less damage? Somebody else was saying that xeres is a troll and this method is bad. If anything, all these posts on dsmo and sn only prove that this method maybe dangerous. They are in no way, promoting or making this method look good. So I don't know what is to be gained by calling the op and others liars except them being sad if they are regular users. Anyway I just felt I should share my thinking. I don't have any control over what you people do here. Everyone is free to do what they think is constructive I guess. Sorry if I offended you or any of the other angry people. Peace x