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In the future someone could create a whole new species of plants that kill peacefully currently there are no plants that kill someone peacefully

A plant designed to "kill peacefully" would likely need to have qualities that make the process as painless and undisturbed as possible, which brings up many ethical, biological, and even technological questions. How would it function, and what kind of mechanisms would it use? Would it be a slow-acting toxin, a sedative, or something else entirely? There would also be huge moral concerns about creating such a species, considering the consequences and the potential for misuse.

For a plant designed to "kill peacefully," it would need a combination of biological and chemical traits that allow it to have a slow, painless effect. Here are some of the qualities it might require:

Slow-Acting, Non-Violent Mechanism: The plant would need a mechanism that doesn't cause immediate pain or distress. This could be something like a sedative or anesthetic compound that gradually puts the person into a deep, peaceful sleep before any irreversible damage occurs. The process would need to be gradual, so there's no panic or suffering.

Specific Toxin or Chemical Compound: The plant would have to produce a compound that is lethal but not violently so. This could be a toxin that disrupts bodily functions in a slow, controlled way (e.g., by affecting the nervous system or organs) without causing spasms, convulsions, or any kind of severe pain. The compound would need to be something that doesn't cause rapid physical trauma but instead quietly leads to an irreversible loss of consciousness and then death.

Low Risk of Overdose or Accidental Harm: The plant would have to be designed to minimize any risks to those handling or interacting with it unintentionally. Its toxins should only activate in specific conditions or when the plant's compounds are ingested or absorbed in a controlled way. This would prevent accidental harm to others, including animals or humans that might come into contact with it.

Minimal Environmental Impact: It would be essential for this plant not to disrupt the environment. The toxins or chemicals it produces should not spread uncontrollably into the soil or water, harming other species or the ecosystem. Its effects should be contained within the plant itself, or only in the immediate vicinity where it's intended to be used.

Targeted Mechanism: The plant might need some form of specificity in how it affects humans, meaning it wouldn't indiscriminately harm all living beings. It could target certain human systems (nervous, circulatory) while leaving other organisms unaffected. This could involve an advanced understanding of how toxins affect different species.

Ease of Use: The plant might need a form that allows it to be administered in a controlled way, such as through ingestion (in a tea, for example) or absorption (through the skin or lungs). It would need to be discreet and not require a high level of intervention, making it accessible yet still controlled enough to avoid misuse.

Non-Harmful to the Plant Itself: The plant would need to produce the lethal compound without harming its own biological systems. This would require evolutionary traits (or engineered modifications) that protect it from the effects of its own chemicals, possibly through internal safeguards that prevent self-poisoning.

Predictability: The plant's effects would need to be predictable and consistent. A person would have to be able to rely on the fact that ingesting or interacting with the plant will lead to the intended result (a peaceful death), without variation or the possibility of incomplete effects.
 
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whenever i go for a walk i look at the plants and wonder which one are poisonous and could kill me..
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Plants typically have very non peaceful poisons I assume, I mean the goal for these plants isn't to produce something peaceful, but yeah hopefully in the future there are better alternative methods.
 
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In the future someone could create a whole new species of plants that kill peacefully currently there are no plants that kill someone peacefully

A plant designed to "kill peacefully" would likely need to have qualities that make the process as painless and undisturbed as possible, which brings up many ethical, biological, and even technological questions. How would it function, and what kind of mechanisms would it use? Would it be a slow-acting toxin, a sedative, or something else entirely? There would also be huge moral concerns about creating such a species, considering the consequences and the potential for misuse.

For a plant designed to "kill peacefully," it would need a combination of biological and chemical traits that allow it to have a slow, painless effect. Here are some of the qualities it might require:

Slow-Acting, Non-Violent Mechanism: The plant would need a mechanism that doesn't cause immediate pain or distress. This could be something like a sedative or anesthetic compound that gradually puts the person into a deep, peaceful sleep before any irreversible damage occurs. The process would need to be gradual, so there's no panic or suffering.

Specific Toxin or Chemical Compound: The plant would have to produce a compound that is lethal but not violently so. This could be a toxin that disrupts bodily functions in a slow, controlled way (e.g., by affecting the nervous system or organs) without causing spasms, convulsions, or any kind of severe pain. The compound would need to be something that doesn't cause rapid physical trauma but instead quietly leads to an irreversible loss of consciousness and then death.

Low Risk of Overdose or Accidental Harm: The plant would have to be designed to minimize any risks to those handling or interacting with it unintentionally. Its toxins should only activate in specific conditions or when the plant's compounds are ingested or absorbed in a controlled way. This would prevent accidental harm to others, including animals or humans that might come into contact with it.

Minimal Environmental Impact: It would be essential for this plant not to disrupt the environment. The toxins or chemicals it produces should not spread uncontrollably into the soil or water, harming other species or the ecosystem. Its effects should be contained within the plant itself, or only in the immediate vicinity where it's intended to be used.

Targeted Mechanism: The plant might need some form of specificity in how it affects humans, meaning it wouldn't indiscriminately harm all living beings. It could target certain human systems (nervous, circulatory) while leaving other organisms unaffected. This could involve an advanced understanding of how toxins affect different species.

Ease of Use: The plant might need a form that allows it to be administered in a controlled way, such as through ingestion (in a tea, for example) or absorption (through the skin or lungs). It would need to be discreet and not require a high level of intervention, making it accessible yet still controlled enough to avoid misuse.

Non-Harmful to the Plant Itself: The plant would need to produce the lethal compound without harming its own biological systems. This would require evolutionary traits (or engineered modifications) that protect it from the effects of its own chemicals, possibly through internal safeguards that prevent self-poisoning.

Predictability: The plant's effects would need to be predictable and consistent. A person would have to be able to rely on the fact that ingesting or interacting with the plant will lead to the intended result (a peaceful death), without variation or the possibility of incomplete effects.
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Mar 16, 2025
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Reminds me of the movie The Happening where all the trees and plants try to kill you.
 
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DoomCry

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A crude opium decoction of about 25-30 grams can lead to a peaceful death. To obtain 25-30 grams of crude opium: If each poppy produces 1 gram, you will need about 25–30 poppies. If each poppy produces 2 grams, you will need about 13–15 poppies. The plant is called "Papaver somniferum". The sale of seeds is legal, but cultivation is not.
 
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A crude opium decoction of about 25-30 grams can lead to a peaceful death. To obtain 25-30 grams of crude opium: If each poppy produces 1 gram, you will need about 25–30 poppies. If each poppy produces 2 grams, you will need about 13–15 poppies. The plant is called "Papaver somniferum". The sale of seeds is legal, but cultivation is not.
Right plant but the numbers are absolute bollocks. I checked with S.W.I.M. and if you think an individual pod can yield 1-2g of raw opium you're either high, or you've never been anywhere near a scored poppy or raw opium.

It's also important to note that yields in opium producing countries may be significantly higher due to climate, cultivation technique, strain, and experience gathering the raw material from the plant.

Typical yields in moderate climates are 30-80mg/capsule, occasionally reaching or slightly exceeding 100mg when conditions are ideal. Yields in opium producing regions may be slightly higher, but they work on crop density and acreage, not individual yields to produce quantities for a commercial product.

That isn't to say that poppy straw or unprocessed poppy seed tea aren't potentially potent and very dangerous decoctions that have lead to deaths: they are, but the numbers you claim here are wildly off base.

S.W.I.M. spent five summers in a lovely garden enjoying what nature provides, but it's a LOT more work than grabbing 15 heads and off you go. You might get a light buzz off that as poppy tea. It takes months of growing/tending, weeks of collection, and then you have something that's gonna last a week or less. It's fun but it's not practical.

Contrary to your statement - merely cultivating Papaver Somniferum is not illegal in many countries, including the US- unless it is with the intent to extract and consume the alkaloid content (or sell to others).

If they can pin that on you then you could well end up in Deep Shit:


(and they will exaggerate like hell whatever you did have ... $500,000 from an acre? LMFAO. They've clearly applied the maximal yield and "street price" multipliers on that claim).

This guy lucked out because the narcotics team lead was crooked: multiple prosecutions collapsed after a 'Giglio letter' was issued against the guy, formally acknowledging credibility issues, and the DA additionally barred him from testifying in any further cases.

And if it does happen, it's "manufacturing" for sure.
 
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Right plant but the numbers are absolute bollocks. I checked with S.W.I.M. and if you think an individual pod can yield 1-2g of raw opium you're either high, or you've never been anywhere near a scored poppy or raw opium.

It's also important to note that yields in opium producing countries may be significantly higher due to climate, cultivation technique, strain, and experience gathering the raw material from the plant.

Typical yields in moderate climates are 30-80mg/capsule, occasionally reaching or slightly exceeding 100mg when conditions are ideal. Yields in opium producing regions may be slightly higher, but they work on crop density and acreage, not individual yields to produce quantities for a commercial product.

That isn't to say that poppy straw or unprocessed poppy seed tea aren't potentially potent and very dangerous decoctions that have lead to deaths: they are, but the numbers you claim here are wildly off base.

S.W.I.M. spent five summers in a lovely garden enjoying what nature provides, but it's a LOT more work than grabbing 15 heads and off you go. You might get a light buzz off that as poppy tea. It takes months of growing/tending, weeks of collection, and then you have something that's gonna last a week or less. It's fun but it's not practical.

Contrary to your statement - merely cultivating Papaver Somniferum is not illegal in many countries, including the US- unless it is with the intent to extract and consume the alkaloid content (or sell to others).

If they can pin that on you then you could well end up in Deep Shit:


(and they will exaggerate like hell whatever you did have ... $500,000 from an acre? LMFAO. They've clearly applied the maximal yield and "street price" multipliers on that claim).

This guy lucked out because the narcotics team lead was crooked: multiple prosecutions collapsed after a 'Giglio letter' was issued against the guy, formally acknowledging credibility issues, and the DA additionally barred him from testifying in any further cases.

And if it does happen, it's "manufacturing" for sure.
The context of the thread is entirely theoretical, and I stayed perfectly within that scope — in fact, I explicitly used the conditional ("if it produced…"). The goal was to speculate about a plant capable of providing a peaceful, painless, and serene death. And I simply pointed out that such a plant already exists: it's called Papaver somniferum. There's no need to invent it. It's true that one plant isn't enough; you'd need several. But that's irrelevant. Cultivation, although restricted or outright banned in most of Europe, still occurs illegally in many contexts — public gardens, municipal flowerbeds, abandoned lots. People plant them intentionally, often scattering the seeds in multiple locations to avoid losing everything in a single seizure. So yes, anyone determined to obtain the 25–30 grams needed for a lethal decoction can absolutely do it.
Regarding the legal framework, I was speaking from my continent — Europe. I don't know where you're from, but I assume you're in the United States. You stated that cultivation is allowed, but you neglected to mention that under U.S. federal law, all parts of Papaver somniferum — except for the seeds — are classified as Schedule II controlled substances. The seeds may be legal to sell, but cultivating the plant without a federal license is illegal. The DEA has clearly stated this: growing opium poppy without authorization is prohibited, regardless of intended use. So no, it's not correct to say that growing it is broadly permitted.
Furthermore, there are Papaver somniferum plants that can produce over 100 mg of latex per capsule in optimal conditions — and this isn't speculation. It's supported by documentation, including a UNODC report referenced on ojp.gov. Varieties like 'Morgana' and 'Meara' have shown total alkaloid content in dry capsules exceeding 2.4%. A 2024 study published in Plants (MDPI, doi:10.3390/plants13121640) confirms that these cultivars have significantly higher yields than common types. Additionally, institutions like CSIRO in Australia have genetically modified Papaver somniferum to increase yield, remove undesired alkaloids like narcotine, and enhance resistance to mold, drought, and pests. There are even hybrids between P. somniferum and P. bracteatum with superior alkaloid profiles. This isn't science fiction: it's peer-reviewed research, and it's already in use in the pharmaceutical industry. And to be clear, genetic engineering has already produced OGM plants of rice, cotton, corn, tobacco, and grapevine with enhanced resistance traits — the poppy is no exception.
So no, I didn't misrepresent the topic or make ungrounded claims. I answered directly within the scope of the original thread. And whether it takes 5 plants or 100 to achieve a specific dose — it doesn't change the fact that the plant described by the OP already exists. It's up to the user to know how to grow, harvest, and process it. End of discussion.