I Wish This Whole World Would End ™️

[whitetaildeer]

No, no, you don't understand. Suffering is a thing that exists in this world, so every single person is better off dead. I am very smart.

DANG IT! i've been outwitted... retreating to my corner of shame

 

[Rust]

I think the difference in opinion comes down to whether you have faith in humanity or not.
Personally, I would like the world to end. Not out of malice towards anyone but simply because I see humans as a species that naturally have it in them to oppress others. We also have the capability to hold malice for our entire lives. We're perhaps the only species that does that.

But yes, it is a selfish decision. Perhaps we could put it to a vote, and when the world becomes decrepit enough that more than 50% of the population want the world to end, then we collectively push the button. Others here are probably opting for a head start on that, but we can certainly see that the world isn't getting any better.

 

[Namelesa]

I do think it is slightly iffy to for happy lives to end involuntarily but all life dying instantly is better than what we have at the moment as if after-death is non-existence then anyone that was happy isn't actually harmed and the people who suffer do not have to anymore. To me a world where some people are happy and some people are suffering is worse than a world where there is no life.

If I was to make my perfect hypothetical button it would be that it kills everyone that wants to die instantly and painlessly and for the people that are happy continue to live but are sterilized so no more lives are created that can potential suffer more. The other hypothetical button that kills everyone is better than what we have now definitely but this button I made up I think would do the most good.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I do think it is slightly iffy to for happy lives to end involuntarily but all life dying instantly is better than what we have at the moment as if after-death is non-existence then anyone that was happy isn't actually harmed and the people who suffer do not have to anymore.

I see a lot of people here complaining about not consenting to be born, but what about not consenting to be killed?

 

[divinemistress36]

Hey everyone is depressed here we arent in our what my therapist would call "Wise" mind . Let people vent out their fustrations without judgement.

 

[Namelesa]

I see a lot of people here complaining about not consenting to be born, but what about not consenting to be killed?

The person that is actually dead is not in any harm cus they literally can't do or feel or want or fear anything in non-existence. I do think its bad to kill an individual without consent as they may be happy with life or want to stay for others or not want to go through the dying process but the end result of someone getting killed isn't a bad thing for the person as they are in non-existence.

Being born is bad cus the newly created person will suffer and potential have a more negative than positive life and cause more harm onto others. It will continue a cycle that just leads to more people suffering. As most living beings will want to continue to reproduce then they will create more and more lives that will suffer so everyone dying would be for the best to stop that from happening so I would say killing everyone is a lesser evil to letting life keep reproducing.

Obviously the best case scenario would be everyone that wants to die can do so peaceful, no one is forced to be born and the people who want to live get to continue that but that won't happen so all life ending would be the 2nd best thing.

 

[Chinaski]

I do think it is slightly iffy to for happy lives to end involuntarily but all life dying instantly is better than what we have at the moment as if after-death is non-existence then anyone that was happy isn't actually harmed and the people who suffer do not have to anymore. To me a world where some people are happy and some people are suffering is worse than a world where there is no life.

If I was to make my perfect hypothetical button it would be that it kills everyone that wants to die instantly and painlessly and for the people that are happy continue to live but are sterilized so no more lives are created that can potential suffer more. The other hypothetical button that kills everyone is better than what we have now definitely but this button I made up I think would do the most good.

Jesus Christ this is bordering on insane

 

[Sunset Limited]

Every happiness in this world has a nameless and innocent victim. In order for the magnificent modern civilization to continue to shine, there must always be victims. Billions of people have to spend their lives as slaves to pay for the luxury and prosperity of the elites. Because the system works like that. System needs victims. This is a sick existence. Arthur Schopenhauer says "Not even one person can be sacrificed for the happiness of a million people".

Does a living being that believes in selfish salvation, not social, and does not hesitate to destroy others for this cause deserve Mercy? We have destroyed 60% of species since the industrial revolution. We are dragging all species on the planet towards extinction along with ourselves. Why does a race that does not hesitate to destroy other races, even their own kind to selfish reasons deserve mercy? Mercy must be something that is deserved.

I am sorry but I would press that button to save all innocents not yet born from murderous, abusive, greedy, uncaring and selfish people. Even a peaceful CTB is not possible! Happiness cannot be built on unhappiness. This is a sick idea, it must be cured and if it cannot, there is no harm in destroying it.

 

[Chinaski]

I am sorry but I would press that button to save all innocents not yet born from murderous, abusive, greedy, uncaring and selfish people. Even a peaceful CTB is not possible! Happiness cannot be built on unhappiness. This is a sick idea, it must be cured and if it cannot, there is no harm in destroying it.

You could always just kill yourself and leave other motherfuckers alone, ever considered that as an alternative

 

[Salting the wounds]

Jesus Christ this is bordering on insane

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this publication is twisted.
People here think everyone suffers like they do.

 

[Sunset Limited]

You could always just kill yourself and leave other motherfuckers alone, ever considered that as an alternative

This is already my current scenario, but new sunset limiteds will be born. I cannot accept this. I cannot accept the necessity and complete helplessness of the victims. Because I know what it means to be a victim. Billions who have to choose between life and honor. I see no benefit in continuing this. Of course there is no button and I am just a crying loser and the anger of an unlived life can manipulate my mind.

 

[charcoalcat]

I think the difference in opinion comes down to whether you have faith in humanity or not.
Personally, I would like the world to end. Not out of malice towards anyone but simply because I see humans as a species that naturally have it in them to oppress others. We also have the capability to hold malice for our entire lives. We're perhaps the only species that does that.

But yes, it is a selfish decision. Perhaps we could put it to a vote, and when the world becomes decrepit enough that more than 50% of the population want the world to end, then we collectively push the button. Others here are probably opting for a head start on that, but we can certainly see that the world isn't getting any better.

 

[Whale_bones]

I think the difference in opinion comes down to whether you have faith in humanity or not.
Personally, I would like the world to end. Not out of malice towards anyone but simply because I see humans as a species that naturally have it in them to oppress others. We also have the capability to hold malice for our entire lives. We're perhaps the only species that does that.

But yes, it is a selfish decision.

I don't have faith in humanity; I have faith in certain individual humans, but I think it's a very low percentage compared to the amount of uncaring, thoughtless humans (many of whom have huge amounts of power). My opinion comes from prioritizing personal autonomy.

Like I said in my first post, my views on consciousness don't give me the right to make an irreversible decision for someone else, a decision that wipes out their possibility to pursue an afterlife that I can't know to be untrue.

I believe in the cessation of conciousness with brain death, I should have the right to act in accordance with that. Other people believe they need to complete certain things in life, or even have certain rituals completed with their dead body, in order to enter an afterlife; they should have the right to pursue that. It's their decision to believe that, they will experience the consequences if it's true or not true, same with me.

I have no right to make an irreversible decision for them, then have to say "err, I was wrong, there's an afterlife, but I thought I was doing what was best for everyone". Sure, if my views are correct it won't matter, but we can't guarantee that. No legitimate expert in the field of neuroscience will claim to know with certainty what happens after death; no person alive knows that.

With that said, I certainly wouldn't call anyone selfish for expressing their thoughts on this. I agree with a lot of the points made here about humanity and the state of the world. I just want to say that you can have a view that comes from prioritizing personal autonomy, while not having some rosy or even neutral view of things like humanity and the cycle of suffering.

 

[Rust]

With that said, I certainly wouldn't call anyone selfish for expressing their thoughts on this. I agree with a lot of the points made here about humanity and the state of the world. I just want to say that you can have a view that comes from prioritizing personal autonomy, while not having some rosy or even neutral view of things like humanity and the cycle of suffering.

It was presumptuous of me to assume that everyone either has faith in humanity or not, and that that dictates their decision. But I do try to simplify things for a reason. Some people's opinions here were dismissed due to being excessive. I simply wanted to identify some common ground that could help explain the separation. But I guess my assumption was either incorrect or just not applicable to everyone.

But I do still think that the action to end all life is selfish (as you've said, we have no right to make an irreversible decision for others). However, I don't have any issue with people expressing their thoughts on the subject.

 

[Dai]

There are some happy people who can laugh and love until they grow old and die, so the infinite amount of suffering in this world is totally worth it.

 

[Chinaski]

But I do still think that the action to end all life is selfish (as you've said, we have no right to make an irreversible decision for others). However, I don't have any issue with people expressing their thoughts on the subject.

I do have an issue tbh because it's the point this site crosses the line from pro choice to pro global annihilation and this immature shit should not be indulged

 

[Rust]

I do have an issue tbh because it's the point this site crosses the line from pro choice to pro global annihilation and this immature shit should not be indulged

I normally draw the line when colloquial terms on the topic start to be created. That's when I know we're entering radicalized territory.

 

[Whale_bones]

It was presumptuous of me to assume that everyone either has faith in humanity or not, and that that dictates their decision. But I do try to simplify things for a reason. Some people's opinions here were dismissed due to being excessive. I simply wanted to identify some common ground that could help explain the separation. But I guess my assumption was either incorrect or just not applicable to everyone.

No worries, my post was adding another point of view that wasn't being discussed as much, and saying I have common ground with those who express views like you did (for example, recognizing the tendency of humans to oppress others) even if I don't agree with the conclusion.

I do have an issue tbh because it's the point this site crosses the line from pro choice to pro global annihilation and this immature shit should not be indulged

I take this as a very theoretical discussion since it's about something that doesn't exist and never will- having a button in front of you that will end the world if pressed. If anyone was talking about real-life actions to harm others, I'd be completely against that from the start. With a hypothetical scenario that we know will never happen IRL for anyone here, I think it's fair to be discussed, especially when multiple opposing viewpoints are being shared.

 

[ma0]

hey fellas i just got some pringles did i miss any important discussions???

 

[Whale_bones]

hey fellas i just got some pringles did i miss any important discussions???

The important question is, what flavor of pringles and are you gonna share them??

 

[Pluto]

 

[ma0]

The important question is, what flavor of pringles and are you gonna share them??

i already ate them all :/

they were texas bbq tho, which i'm not sure is that popular...

 

[nogods4me]

The only valid opposition has already been made and it takes a generous person to let suffering continue on the off chance that certain religions might be right.

 

[nogods4me]

89 !

what is this referring to? revolution?

 

[voir2]

what is this referring to? revolution?

2025 Doomsday Clock Statement - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

It is 89 seconds to midnight.

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