omoidarui

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PS If you put the word confiscated in the forum's search gizmo, you'll see many hits from June/July that are related to the brouhaha over reports of police raids.

most of those were fake

it became obvious with the posting history of one of the accounts who claimed to have been raided. They had liked several of known troll WideAwake's posts in his topic, and nobody else's. Then they appeared in June-July to post in adamant support of the claims being made, before eventually making a claim themselves with the accompanying text: "I thought this was all fake, but it's real!" (even though up until then they'd been defending the claims.)

it was laughably contrived and no im not saying anything about this topic im just encouraging erry1 to keep an open mind about what they read because apparently Lying Is So Fun for some people
 
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Thanks for pointing that out, @omoidarui; that (and/or other suspicions, fears, sex, lies and videotape) was indeed a big part of the brouhaha. It was divisive and confusing and paranoid-making. Among other unfortunate results it led to A suspending activity for a while. Obviously lots of people who had access to the PPH never heard of the whole sorry mess and kept emailing him, and apparently he started responding at some point.
 
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I believe this info is good to know. Yes it is negative, but it is better that people know. So I will tell you. I ordered N from AV in May. I got it 11 days later in the US. I had it 29 days and did not use it. I wanted to get the Metoclopramide, do a will, advanced directive, cremation plan, etc. I should have left all that alone and used it, or done all that first. If I had done all that first, I think I would have used it before the police came. I was visited by police 29 days after I received it. They took it. I was put in a psychiatric facility for 16 days. I am now being forced to use anti-psychotic drugs because of a court order that lasts a year. Some of those drugs are torturous the way they affect me, with anxiety and extreme restlessness. I talked my prescriber into letting me use Seroquel because I had used it before and it doesn't do that to me, but it has other bad effects. If I miss an appointment for any reason or they think I am not taking the drug, I will be locked up in that place again, for how long I don't know. It has no windows, nobody is taken outside ever, you're lucky if you can watch TV, because there is nothing to do but walk back and forth. The walking area is 50 feet, that's it. The staff were respectful, but later I realized like many others do, they screw you over with a smile on their face. They labeled me psychotic, not depressed, by lying on their documents by twisting a few things I said into something else. I said "I can't be here, rent is due on the first and if I don't pay it I will be homeless and lose everything I own." The doctor stated in the documents "He said 'I can't be here.'" Like I said it in a suicidal way. I appealed because my rights were violated many ways. Legally I never should have been put in that place. I should have gone home within 24 hours. They also treat men harshly, and are easy on women. Of the 8 women, 2 got court ordered. Of the 5 men, 4 got court ordered. And some of the females actually tried to kill themselves. If you get N, you better have everything ready so you can use it soon after getting it. The police found out somehow. I told NOBODY, absolutely nobody! And the package was not opened by customs. It did not come from Mexico, the police think it did. I really wonder if AV is law enforcement, and this is their way of punishing people, or "helping" them.

"AV?"

Try the police probably watch this site.

What is "AV" anyway?
 
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"AV?"
Try the police probably watch this site.
What is "AV" anyway?

The same as A.

I'm sure this site is indeed watched but that isn't an explanation for the reported confiscations.
 
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I really don't understand.. no I take that back I do understand that majority of us want to believe despite any and all accounts that trying to obtain N won't be without risk but that just isn't the case. There is a risk involved point blank period. That isn't to deter anyone but I'll be the first to admit that's my hesitancy with it because no one knows what will happen. Some people won't have an issue at all with receiving it and some people will. That's just the long and short of it. It sucks but pretending that there is no possibility or room for error just isn't realistic.
 
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Peeps, please! A was *the* reliable source until a wave of disturbing reports very like @sleepy dog's circa June this year. As a result A shut down operations for a while.

That wave was very disruptive to this site, even for people who never intended to use N. There were multiple threads about it, but some were deleted and others locked so even with a thorough search it's unlikely you'd find a coherent picture.

Please let's not start again. @sleepy dog is quite right not to provide details; @Blackjack, I understand your concerns but please don't be so hard on @sleepy dog. S/He doesn't know you from Adam, after all, and what happened to him/her is pretty high on the paranoid-making scale. What s/he's said, including about the point of origin of packets from A to the US, is consistent with what others have said.

People, please be careful. Keep your stuff in creative hiding places - even outside of your residences if possible, underground, up a mighty oak tree, in a safe deposit box or wherever.

PS If you put the word confiscated in the forum's search gizmo, you'll see many hits from June/July that are related to the brouhaha over reports of police raids. It's not pleasant. Let's all be careful, peeps, please.

I'm not being hard on him; I took my questions to him via PM. But the more people know about what to do should something like this happen again, the better.
 
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I'm Swiss and I disagree. I had to deal with the police because of a drug offense. And I can tell you that, they're not nice. They wil lie to your face, shout at you, twist the truth and try to make you look guilty. For what? 1g of cocaine. The officer lied and said I have to say the truth but in Switzerland, you don't have to incriminate yourself. He thought I'm another weak person that will fall for the lies of the police. But when I told that police officer that I know my rights and the law that protects me, he instantly stopped the confrontation. He realized I didn't fall for the imaginary myth that the police is friendly in Switzerland. They're not your friend and helper. The police is fucked up and that applies to every country on this planet. They will enforce laws even if they're unjust. Never trust them. It doesn't matter if you live in Switzerland or in the US or any other country. They're not your friend.

To all the other members: if you want to be safe, hide your N. Don't put it in plain sight. Don't hand it over to them. Make the police look for it, if they ever come to your house. Don't let them in without a search warrant. You don't have to. Don't talk to them, get a lawyer if necessary. You don't have to incriminate yourself. Make it as difficult as possible for the police to work your case.
Good to know!
 
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ThisIsTheLastNight

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I was visited by police 29 days after I received it. They took it.
Just want to say that I believe you. It is well known that the old courier has been arrested in the United States and now the FBI has a list of all the customers addresses. Whether the courier passed on the list itself to get a milder punishment or the FBI by evaluating the computer to the list I do not know. In the end, it doesnt matter. But nobody has to be afraid of that because the own addresson the list is not sufficient for the police for a permit for a house search. There were often cases where such things were sent to the innocent people and the package was intercepted in front of the front door.
The police will only appear at the address and ask if you bought N. They only allowed to search the apartment when you admit that you buyd the N. If you say you have no idea what they are talking about, they will leave. They may say that they have the package token and can trace the package back to the address, but that is a bluff. I know that the FBI has notified the police authorities around the world. So people outside the usa are also affected. If you admit you bought the N, you're in serious trouble. Buying N is a serious offence, as serious as buying heroin. And your driving license will be also gone. Even if the cops will pretend to care about you, it's just a trick. If they had solid evidence that would be enough for a conviction then they would not ring you and pretend that they are worried about your welfare or kindly asked if you had bought N. They would take apart your apartment with 5 policemen. Do yourself a favor and admit nothing. For your own sake.

They're not your friend and helper. The police is fucked up and that applies to every country on this planet. They will enforce laws even if they're unjust. Never trust them. It doesn't matter if you live in Switzerland or in the US or any other country. They're not your friend.

To all the other members: if you want to be safe, hide your N. Don't put it in plain sight. Don't hand it over to them. Make the police look for it, if they ever come to your house. Don't let them in without a search warrant. You don't have to. Don't talk to them, get a lawyer if necessary. You don't have to incriminate yourself. Make it as difficult as possible for the police to work your case.

Everything you said is absolutely correct. Not even a single time when i had to do with the police they said that i don't have to incriminate myself, although they are obliged to. Nobody should basically never talk to a policeman, they can say you said something you didn't say and then his word stands against yours, and they win because the court will give them more faith. If you talk to policemen you can only lose.
 
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source? thx
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/increasing-police-activity-megathread.19481/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/n-from-a.19311/

There are many such threads. I do not want to say where I know that the courier was arrested because I had to prove that again and I honestly do not feel like it. I do not owe anything to anyone here. If someone does not believe me then this is absolutely fine for me. It's quite enough for me that people who have N are now forewarned and know they don't have to be afraid. The people who bought the N have enough problems already. Such a police investigation is what could overflow the barrel and they really do something to themselves. This should not be a personal attack on you. I think it's good that the people here in the forum have become mistrustful, formerly people in the forum simply come through with it if they wanted attention or have said the untruth. But this is about police investigations and everyone has to decide how far he wants to go. And that's as far as I want to go.
 
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I do not want to say ... because I had to prove that again and I honestly do not feel like it. I do not owe anything to anyone here. If someone does not believe me then this is absolutely fine for me.

Thanks for the links but I must say you must've taken some amount of time investigating what went down on the forums during your hiatus (as it seems you last posted five months ago?) for someone "not feeling like it", since you've already kindly gone to such trouble you may as well go the extra distance and support your claim surely : P

but i understand

The topics you provided don't really prove the FBI have a list of customers unless I missed something though. I don't believe anything in the second topic (and worry for anyone who does), and the first topic is just me and mi fellow alt slayers not-a-robot and onlymehere slaying all the alts ^ in hurr thx for the nostalgia though, I miss them ;{

I think it's good that the people here in the forum have become suspicious, formerly people in the forum simply come through with it if they wanted attention or have said the untruth. But this is about police investigations and everyone has to decide how far he wants to go. And that's as far as I want to go.

wat

I don't want to lower people's vigilance, especially as there have been confirmed police checks in regards to this method. Every method comes with a layer of risk, I just want everyone to be aware of the presence of at least 1 idiot from blackhatworld on this forum who posts the same crap under lots of names
 
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Anyone can write anything they want on this forum or any other and there's no way to know if any of it is true. If A was the only option available then it might be worth the risk, but it's not. Darknet markets are currently thriving and people are successfully ordering very illegal things every day. It doesn't take long to do the necessary research to safely order whatever you want on the darknet markets, there's no reason to risk any other source right now...
 
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Anyone can write anything they want on this forum or any other and there's no way to know if any of it is true. If A was the only option available then it might be worth the risk, but it's not. Darknet markets are currently thriving and people are successfully ordering very illegal things every day. It doesn't take long to do the necessary research to safely order whatever you want on the darknet markets, there's no reason to risk any other source right now...

If successfully getting quality N from the darknet were currently happening, this info would be blasted all over SS. If what you say is true, why is this not happening?
 
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If successfully getting quality N from the darknet were currently happening, this info would be blasted all over SS. If what you say is true, why is this not happening?

Indeed, no source, no verification, but wishful thinking as if it was a sort of fairy market.
 
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If successfully getting quality N from the darknet were currently happening, this info would be blasted all over SS. If what you say is true, why is this not happening?


I just checked Empire market. Many results for N including at least one vendor with good trust level and feedback that ships worldwide. There's always a risk that you won't receive your package but you have a much better chance on a market like that rather than a forum, because of their vendor ranking and feedback system.
 
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I just checked Empire market. Many results for N including at least one vendor with good trust level and feedback that ships worldwide. There's always a risk that you won't receive your package but you have a much better chance on a market like that rather than a forum, because of their vendor ranking and feedback system.

You just checked it? I doubt that. I just tried 3 different onion sites for it and none work. And "trust" ratings and feedback can be faked with multiple accounts and friends, etc.
 
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I just checked Empire market. Many results for N including at least one vendor with good trust level and feedback that ships worldwide. There's always a risk that you won't receive your package but you have a much better chance on a market like that rather than a forum, because of their vendor ranking and feedback system.

Again, if this were a viable & successful option for N, it would be on uber blast all over SS, and it's not.
 
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I really don't understand.. no I take that back I do understand that majority of us want to believe despite any and all accounts that trying to obtain N won't be without risk but that just isn't the case. There is a risk involved point blank period. That isn't to deter anyone but I'll be the first to admit that's my hesitancy with it because no one knows what will happen. Some people won't have an issue at all with receiving it and some people will. That's just the long and short of it. It sucks but pretending that there is no possibility or room for error just isn't realistic.
I live in the U.S...I'm trying to find out if people are being raided in the U.S. but I'm not sure...I got a reply from him (at least I hope it is) but I'm scared to purchase now, but I scared if I don't act soon then it will be too late. They say their's a Chinese supplier but he's new to me and I can't find many reviews. His name is "B". I'm not sure what to do.
 
Blackjack

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I live in the U.S...I'm trying to find out if people are being raided in the U.S. but I'm not sure...I got a reply from him (at least I hope it is) but I'm scared to purchase now, but I scared if I don't act soon then it will be too late. They say their's a Chinese supplier but he's new to me and I can't find many reviews. His name is "B". I'm not sure what to do.

Yes, there were reports of law enforcement activity in the U.S. in June-July, but nothing since then that I've read. You assume 100% risk when you order from A (or anyone else.) If you are not 100% prepared for that risk, do not order.
 
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I live in the U.S...I'm trying to find out if people are being raided in the U.S. but I'm not sure...I got a reply from him (at least I hope it is) but I'm scared to purchase now, but I scared if I don't act soon then it will be too late. They say their's a Chinese supplier but he's new to me and I can't find many reviews. His name is "B". I'm not sure what to do.

I'm in the U.S. also. I'm sorry that you're scared, unfortunately this is just one of those instances where you will have to make an educated/informed decision about your personal situation and purchasing the product. I personally just haven't gotten there to make the leap, even though I very much so want it. I hope I didn't scare you, that wasn't my intention by any means.. I just don't agree when people down play the real fact that there is no 100% guarantee that everything goes smoothly for everyone that orders because that isn't realistic.
 
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whereisfreedom

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I'm Swiss and I disagree. I had to deal with the police because of a drug offense. And I can tell you that, they're not nice. They wil lie to your face, shout at you, twist the truth and try to make you look guilty. For what? 1g of cocaine. The officer lied and said I have to say the truth but in Switzerland, you don't have to incriminate yourself. He thought I'm another weak person that will fall for the lies of the police. But when I told that police officer that I know my rights and the law that protects me, he instantly stopped the confrontation. He realized I didn't fall for the imaginary myth that the police is friendly in Switzerland. They're not your friend and helper. The police is fucked up and that applies to every country on this planet. They will enforce laws even if they're unjust. Never trust them. It doesn't matter if you live in Switzerland or in the US or any other country. They're not your friend.

To all the other members: if you want to be safe, hide your N. Don't put it in plain sight. Don't hand it over to them. Make the police look for it, if they ever come to your house. Don't let them in without a search warrant. You don't have to. Don't talk to them, get a lawyer if necessary. You don't have to incriminate yourself. Make it as difficult as possible for the police to work your case.
same experience with police in my country (not switzerland) but also country in europe.
And I had search warrant many years ago + were arrested for few seconds to intimidate me, few years ago.
 
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mnjkl

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You just checked it? I doubt that. I just tried 3 different onion sites for it and none work. And "trust" ratings and feedback can be faked with multiple accounts and friends, etc.


Try links from here:

You're right about the rating system, it's not perfect but it's much better than no rating system. Vendors with high ratings, many sales, lots of feedback etc are likely reliable. It's better to trust certain vendors rather than trusting any of the markets.
 
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whereisfreedom

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In dnm there is no trustworthy seller of this stuff, except of one from china who look trustworthy.
All others are 100% scam.
Would not recommend onion.live to check markets.

Only: darkfailllnkf4vf.onion and register in dread community to get information about markets. Dread is currently down and there are rumors about police seized dread or got the admin. Dread was/is the first source about scam-sellers/markets.
 
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In dnm there is no trustworthy seller of this stuff, except of one from china who look trustworthy.
All others are 100% scam.
Would not recommend onion.live to check markets.

Only: darkfailllnkf4vf.onion and register in dread community to get information about markets. Dread is currently down and there are rumors about police seized dread or got the admin. Dread was/is the first source about scam-sellers/markets.


Yes, I would probably still try the one from China before A though since hearing about the raids. N is a very niche market so it might be hard to find an established vendor, I would just order heroin instead to accomplish the same thing. I just started checking out the darknet markets again, it looks like there's a lot more phishing and scams than there used to be. I'll take your word about onion.live, I should really get caught up before recommending any link directories.
 
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Yes, I would probably still try the one from China before A though since hearing about the raids. N is a very niche market so it might be hard to find an established vendor, I would just order heroin instead to accomplish the same thing. I just started checking out the darknet markets again, it looks like there's a lot more phishing and scams than there used to be. I'll take your word about onion.live, I should really get caught up before recommending any link directories.

A has successfully delivered N since the "raids" and is still widely regarded as the most reliable N supplier.
 
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sleepy dog

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And my educated assumption is that all of those people will experience what happened to myself and others. Police, confiscation, involuntary confinement and forced drugging in a psychiatric institution.
 
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Kingkelly

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I believe this info is good to know. Yes it is negative, but it is better that people know. So I will tell you. I ordered N from AV in May. I got it 11 days later in the US. I had it 29 days and did not use it. I wanted to get the Metoclopramide, do a will, advanced directive, cremation plan, etc. I should have left all that alone and used it, or done all that first. If I had done all that first, I think I would have used it before the police came. I was visited by police 29 days after I received it. They took it. I was put in a psychiatric facility for 16 days. I am now being forced to use anti-psychotic drugs because of a court order that lasts a year. Some of those drugs are torturous the way they affect me, with anxiety and extreme restlessness. I talked my prescriber into letting me use Seroquel because I had used it before and it doesn't do that to me, but it has other bad effects. If I miss an appointment for any reason or they think I am not taking the drug, I will be locked up in that place again, for how long I don't know. It has no windows, nobody is taken outside ever, you're lucky if you can watch TV, because there is nothing to do but walk back and forth. The walking area is 50 feet, that's it. The staff were respectful, but later I realized like many others do, they screw you over with a smile on their face. They labeled me psychotic, not depressed, by lying on their documents by twisting a few things I said into something else. I said "I can't be here, rent is due on the first and if I don't pay it I will be homeless and lose everything I own." The doctor stated in the documents "He said 'I can't be here.'" Like I said it in a suicidal way. I appealed because my rights were violated many ways. Legally I never should have been put in that place. I should have gone home within 24 hours. They also treat men harshly, and are easy on women. Of the 8 women, 2 got court ordered. Of the 5 men, 4 got court ordered. And some of the females actually tried to kill themselves. If you get N, you better have everything ready so you can use it soon after getting it. The police found out somehow. I told NOBODY, absolutely nobody! And the package was not opened by customs. It did not come from Mexico, the police think it did. I really wonder if AV is law enforcement, and this is their way of punishing people, or "helping" them.
How did they get your info. Esp since the package did not even come from Mexico? What did the police say when they came? How did they know you had it?
 
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does this chinese source start with a c on empire?
 

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