Story I had N...

[burnedCookie]

I gotta tell ya, Cookie, that's a sweet idea that is incredibly, almost mind-bogglingly naive. There was recently a cop (now in county jail) that was planting meth in cars at routine traffic stops recently... this is two counties away from me in Florida. Cops are, by and large, absolutely delighted to make an arrest, much less for drug charges. Some of them are incentivized by bonuses and promotions.

I'm not particularly naive, it's just that I don't live in the US. Here in Switzerland and in most part of Europe cops are correct, polite, they work for and not against the people and they don't plant meth in cars. And most importantly they don't give a shit about someone buying 2 bottles of N to end his/her life, that's not H or F.

You have no idea how many people are in jail because they tried to play dumb against the police.
If you have something to hide, never talk to them unless they have a warrant. Simple as that.
For people reading along, please take gingerplum's advice.

US too ?

 

[gingerplum]

I'm not particularly naive, it's just that I don't live in the US. Here in Switzerland and in most part of Europe cops are correct, polite, they work for and not against the people and they don't plant meth in cars. And most importantly they don't give a shit about someone buying 2 bottles of N to end his/her life, that's not H or F.



US too ?

I'm sorry, Cookie. I owe you an apology for assuming you were in the US or the UK. Switzerland is... different. You guys have a clean, safe, educated and polite country that has no need to fear the police... you're practically living in DisneyWorld when it comes to safety and police cuture; we're more like a really unstable militarized zone.

 

[Soul]

In June or whenever it was there were several reports of N allegedly being confiscated from people's home well after delivery. Some of the reports were set in Europe, including Switzerland. I hope @sleepy dog's story is part of that same brouhaha and not the start of a new one.

 

[bea1974]

There are dodgy cops all over the world. Even in Europe. Even in Switzerland.

Shocking, I know.

Whether cops are dodgy or not, always the best advice is to no comment. Always. Anywhere in the Western world.

 

[sleepy dog]

It was part of the April to June effort by law enforcement. I received it on June 23rd. I put it in the fridge. I was taken into custody on July 22nd. One person in the UK used Protonmail and Bitcoin and was visited by police. Both Protonmail and Bitcoin are supposed to be the most secure method for email and payment. But it seems like the perfect method, and I had it! I should have had a great hiding place. And I still would probably have been taken into custody and everything else, I don't know.

 

[burnedCookie]

I'm sorry, Cookie. I owe you an apology for assuming you were in the US or the UK. Switzerland is... different. You guys have a clean, safe, educated and polite country that has no need to fear the police... you're practically living in DisneyWorld when it comes to safety and police cuture; we're more like a really unstable militarized zone.

Hey no need to apologize. I too should have taken into consideration that there might be people here who live outside of Europe :) But we are not alone in DisneyWorld huh ? Most European countries are like that now.

In June or whenever it was there were several reports of N allegedly being confiscated from people's home well after delivery. Some of the reports were set in Europe, including Switzerland. I hope @sleepy dog's story is part of that same brouhaha and not the start of a new one.

He said he ordered in May, was delivered 11 day later and visited by the police 29 days after he received it. So no it's not part of a new one.

 

[rata1]

There are dodgy cops all over the world. Even in Europe. Even in Switzerland.

Shocking, I know.

Whether cops are dodgy or not, always the best advice is to no comment. Always. Anywhere in the Western world.

our rigth not to say anything does not depend on how nice or not nice cops are. its a fucking basic human right people fougth for during centuries!

It was part of the April to June effort by law enforcement. I received it on June 23rd. I put it in the fridge. I was taken into custody on July 22nd. One person in the UK used Protonmail and Bitcoin and was visited by police. Both Protonmail and Bitcoin are supposed to be the most secure method for email and payment. But it seems like the perfect method, and I had it! I should have had a great hiding place. And I still would probably have been taken into custody and everything else, I don't know.

it is a very good method but the adress is still on the envelope. there is no perfect method!

 

[Blackjack]

I believe this info is good to know. Yes it is negative, but it is better that people know. So I will tell you. I ordered N from AV in May. I got it 11 days later in the US. I had it 29 days and did not use it. I wanted to get the Metoclopramide, do a will, advanced directive, cremation plan, etc. I should have left all that alone and used it, or done all that first. If I had done all that first, I think I would have used it before the police came. I was visited by police 29 days after I received it. They took it. I was put in a psychiatric facility for 16 days. I am now being forced to use anti-psychotic drugs because of a court order that lasts a year. Some of those drugs are torturous the way they affect me, with anxiety and extreme restlessness. I talked my prescriber into letting me use Seroquel because I had used it before and it doesn't do that to me, but it has other bad effects. If I miss an appointment for any reason or they think I am not taking the drug, I will be locked up in that place again, for how long I don't know. It has no windows, nobody is taken outside ever, you're lucky if you can watch TV, because there is nothing to do but walk back and forth. The walking area is 50 feet, that's it. The staff were respectful, but later I realized like many others do, they screw you over with a smile on their face. They labeled me psychotic, not depressed, by lying on their documents by twisting a few things I said into something else. I said "I can't be here, rent is due on the first and if I don't pay it I will be homeless and lose everything I own." The doctor stated in the documents "He said 'I can't be here.'" Like I said it in a suicidal way. I appealed because my rights were violated many ways. Legally I never should have been put in that place. I should have gone home within 24 hours. They also treat men harshly, and are easy on women. Of the 8 women, 2 got court ordered. Of the 5 men, 4 got court ordered. And some of the females actually tried to kill themselves. If you get N, you better have everything ready so you can use it soon after getting it. The police found out somehow. I told NOBODY, absolutely nobody! And the package was not opened by customs. It did not come from Mexico, the police think it did. I really wonder if AV is law enforcement, and this is their way of punishing people, or "helping" them.

You said you didn't get your N from A from Mexico, correct? Your N came from you said AV. Who is AV and where did AV ship to you from?

 

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

I believe this info is good to know. Yes it is negative, but it is better that people know. So I will tell you. I ordered N from AV in May. I got it 11 days later in the US. I had it 29 days and did not use it. I wanted to get the Metoclopramide, do a will, advanced directive, cremation plan, etc. I should have left all that alone and used it, or done all that first. If I had done all that first, I think I would have used it before the police came. I was visited by police 29 days after I received it. They took it. I was put in a psychiatric facility for 16 days. I am now being forced to use anti-psychotic drugs because of a court order that lasts a year. Some of those drugs are torturous the way they affect me, with anxiety and extreme restlessness. I talked my prescriber into letting me use Seroquel because I had used it before and it doesn't do that to me, but it has other bad effects. If I miss an appointment for any reason or they think I am not taking the drug, I will be locked up in that place again, for how long I don't know. It has no windows, nobody is taken outside ever, you're lucky if you can watch TV, because there is nothing to do but walk back and forth. The walking area is 50 feet, that's it. The staff were respectful, but later I realized like many others do, they screw you over with a smile on their face. They labeled me psychotic, not depressed, by lying on their documents by twisting a few things I said into something else. I said "I can't be here, rent is due on the first and if I don't pay it I will be homeless and lose everything I own." The doctor stated in the documents "He said 'I can't be here.'" Like I said it in a suicidal way. I appealed because my rights were violated many ways. Legally I never should have been put in that place. I should have gone home within 24 hours. They also treat men harshly, and are easy on women. Of the 8 women, 2 got court ordered. Of the 5 men, 4 got court ordered. And some of the females actually tried to kill themselves. If you get N, you better have everything ready so you can use it soon after getting it. The police found out somehow. I told NOBODY, absolutely nobody! And the package was not opened by customs. It did not come from Mexico, the police think it did. I really wonder if AV is law enforcement, and this is their way of punishing people, or "helping" them.

Where are u located?

 

[sleepy dog]

You said you didn't get your N from A from Mexico, correct? Your N came from you said AV. Who is AV and where did AV ship to you from?

I didn't say anything about "A from Mexico". But AV is the same as A. I am not going to say where it came from. I am sure you can understand why.

Where are u located?

I am not going to answer that except to say the USA. I am sure you can understand why.

 

[Blackjack]

I believe this info is good to know. Yes it is negative, but it is better that people know. So I will tell you. I ordered N from AV in May. I got it 11 days later in the US. I had it 29 days and did not use it. I wanted to get the Metoclopramide, do a will, advanced directive, cremation plan, etc. I should have left all that alone and used it, or done all that first. If I had done all that first, I think I would have used it before the police came. I was visited by police 29 days after I received it. They took it. I was put in a psychiatric facility for 16 days. I am now being forced to use anti-psychotic drugs because of a court order that lasts a year. Some of those drugs are torturous the way they affect me, with anxiety and extreme restlessness. I talked my prescriber into letting me use Seroquel because I had used it before and it doesn't do that to me, but it has other bad effects. If I miss an appointment for any reason or they think I am not taking the drug, I will be locked up in that place again, for how long I don't know. It has no windows, nobody is taken outside ever, you're lucky if you can watch TV, because there is nothing to do but walk back and forth. The walking area is 50 feet, that's it. The staff were respectful, but later I realized like many others do, they screw you over with a smile on their face. They labeled me psychotic, not depressed, by lying on their documents by twisting a few things I said into something else. I said "I can't be here, rent is due on the first and if I don't pay it I will be homeless and lose everything I own." The doctor stated in the documents "He said 'I can't be here.'" Like I said it in a suicidal way. I appealed because my rights were violated many ways. Legally I never should have been put in that place. I should have gone home within 24 hours. They also treat men harshly, and are easy on women. Of the 8 women, 2 got court ordered. Of the 5 men, 4 got court ordered. And some of the females actually tried to kill themselves. If you get N, you better have everything ready so you can use it soon after getting it. The police found out somehow. I told NOBODY, absolutely nobody! And the package was not opened by customs. It did not come from Mexico, the police think it did. I really wonder if AV is law enforcement, and this is their way of punishing people, or "helping" them.

You said "It did not come from Mexico".

 

[rata1]

does a mean perhaps antarctic? good place to store n by the way.

 

[Blackjack]

I didn't say anything about "A from Mexico". But AV is the same as A. I am not going to say where it came from. I am sure you can understand why.


I am not going to answer that except to say the USA. I am sure you can understand why.

If AV is the same as A, it came from Mexico originally since he doesn't ship from anywhere else. Or you bought it from someone else who had originally acquired it from A and yours came from them and not A directly?

 

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

I didn't say anything about "A from Mexico". But AV is the same as A. I am not going to say where it came from. I am sure you can understand why.


I am not going to answer that except to say the USA. I am sure you can understand why.

That was enough. Thanks!


@sleepy dog please dont answer about where it came from since you ordered from A. People in the US have successfully acquired it. Any further info could be read on here by law enforcement and screw up new patrons.

If AV is the same as A, it came from Mexico originally since he doesn't ship from anywhere else. Or you bought it from someone else who had originally acquired it from A and yours came from them and not A directly?

I would stop with the details. every time we have these discussion more "crumbs" are left for law enforcement.

 

[rata1]

I am not going to say where it came from. I am sure you can understand why.

@sleepy dog please dont answer about where it came from. People in the US are still it successfully. Any further info could be read on here by law enforcement and screw up new patrons.

 

[Dubs]

I believe this info is good to know. Yes it is negative, but it is better that people know. So I will tell you. I ordered N from AV in May. I got it 11 days later in the US. I had it 29 days and did not use it. I wanted to get the Metoclopramide, do a will, advanced directive, cremation plan, etc. I should have left all that alone and used it, or done all that first. If I had done all that first, I think I would have used it before the police came. I was visited by police 29 days after I received it. They took it. I was put in a psychiatric facility for 16 days. I am now being forced to use anti-psychotic drugs because of a court order that lasts a year. Some of those drugs are torturous the way they affect me, with anxiety and extreme restlessness. I talked my prescriber into letting me use Seroquel because I had used it before and it doesn't do that to me, but it has other bad effects. If I miss an appointment for any reason or they think I am not taking the drug, I will be locked up in that place again, for how long I don't know. It has no windows, nobody is taken outside ever, you're lucky if you can watch TV, because there is nothing to do but walk back and forth. The walking area is 50 feet, that's it. The staff were respectful, but later I realized like many others do, they screw you over with a smile on their face. They labeled me psychotic, not depressed, by lying on their documents by twisting a few things I said into something else. I said "I can't be here, rent is due on the first and if I don't pay it I will be homeless and lose everything I own." The doctor stated in the documents "He said 'I can't be here.'" Like I said it in a suicidal way. I appealed because my rights were violated many ways. Legally I never should have been put in that place. I should have gone home within 24 hours. They also treat men harshly, and are easy on women. Of the 8 women, 2 got court ordered. Of the 5 men, 4 got court ordered. And some of the females actually tried to kill themselves. If you get N, you better have everything ready so you can use it soon after getting it. The police found out somehow. I told NOBODY, absolutely nobody! And the package was not opened by customs. It did not come from Mexico, the police think it did. I really wonder if AV is law enforcement, and this is their way of punishing people, or "helping" them.

What payment method did you use? I assume bitcoin, but please update to let us know. Bitcoin is not that secure. I'm guessing what happened in June was some law enforcement agency got a warrant for a payment processor and all the bitcoin addresses that sent money to A's address. They took all the names/addresses from the warrant and sent them to the relevant law agencies. This matches everything we know about the June raids and seems to be the only reasonable explanation.

 

[Blackjack]

It was part of the April to June effort by law enforcement. I received it on June 23rd. I put it in the fridge. I was taken into custody on July 22nd. One person in the UK used Protonmail and Bitcoin and was visited by police. Both Protonmail and Bitcoin are supposed to be the most secure method for email and payment. But it seems like the perfect method, and I had it! I should have had a great hiding place. And I still would probably have been taken into custody and everything else, I don't know.

So the police in the USA came in to your home, you told them the N was in your refrigerator and they arrested you?

 

[sleepy dog]

What payment method did you use? I assume bitcoin, but please update to let us know. Bitcoin is not that secure. I'm guessing what happened in June was some law enforcement agency got a warrant for a payment processor and all the bitcoin addresses that sent money to A's address. They took all the names/addresses from the warrant and sent them to the relevant law agencies. This matches everything we know about the June raids and seems to be the only reasonable explanation.

"This matches everything we know..." ?
Then you have received incorrect information. Payment method had nothing to do with LE finding out. People visited used different methods of payment.

 

[Dubs]

"This matches everything we know..." ?
Then you have received incorrect information. Payment method had nothing to do with LE finding out. People visited used different methods of payment.

Even if you are correct that doesn't rule out my theory. Based upon the way A was operating it would take FBI one day to get a warrant for Western Union and a few major bitcoin processors and serve them asking for all transactions related to A's accounts. In general I believe they found him through the financial system, it would by far be the "lowest hanging fruit" to find buyers. How did you pay?

 

[sleepy dog]

I would stop with the details. every time we have these discussion more "crumbs" are left for law enforcement.

I was not going to give any details. And I have given less details than are in the PPH.

 

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

@rata1 Not sure what's the purpose of memorializing my typo but I hope it helps you!

 

[sleepy dog]

A correction to the original post. I stated "I got it 11 days later in the US". I said that wrong and might have created a misunderstanding. I meant I got it 11 days after it was shipped. I found that out from the date on the shipping label. Time passed between ordering it and it being shipped as others who have ordered can verify.

 

[Blackjack]

I was not going to give any details. And I have given less details than are in the PPH.

You can't make a post like that then think people aren't going to ask you for details.

 

[rata1]

@rata1 Not sure what's the purpose of memorializing my typo but I hope it helps you!

just wanted to clear up things

 

[sleepy dog]

You can't make a post like that then think people aren't going to ask you for details.

Certain details should not be asked for. I am sure you can understand why.

 

[Blackjack]

Certain details should not be asked for. I am sure you can understand why.

I pm'd you.

 

[mnjkl]

I am very sorry you had to go through all of that. That they force you on drugs is disgusting.
Seems you got caught up in the police raids that affected many customers of A this summer. Lots of discussion some time back on this forum. Raids happened in the US, Canada, Europe, Australia... Still unclear how the authorities managed to get a list of A's customers that received N about a time frame of a few months this year. Consensus seems to be that A himself is probably not implicated, but lawful interception at Protonmail, or parcel tracking?

WTF? I'm new here and I've heard of A, but I had no idea about this. Why would ANYONE still be trying to order from him? If A wasn't working for LE or being monitored before, he probably is now. Why did people here trust A in the first place? I'm assuming there were people who said they successfully received N from him and tested it or used it to know that it was real, but there is no way to know who made an account just to bait people into sending their address to "A". For all we know, a large number of the regular accounts on this site could be just from a couple of people working for LE.

And by the way... it could just as easily have been this website. Does anyone else find it very strange for a site like this to encourage you to reveal your real ip address when you create an account?

 

[Blackjack]

WTF? I'm new here and I've heard of A, but I had no idea about this. Why would ANYONE still be trying to order from him? If A wasn't working for LE or being monitored before, he probably is now. Why did people here trust A in the first place? I'm assuming there were people who said they successfully received N from him and tested it or used it to know that it was real, but there is no way to know who made an account just to bait people into sending their address to "A". For all we know, a large number of the regular accounts on this site could be just from a couple of people working for LE.

And by the way... it could just as easily have been this website. Does anyone else find it very strange for a site like this to encourage you to reveal your real ip address when you create an account?

If you're so suspicious of everything here, then why are you here? A has been a very reliable source of N for a long time. He wouldn't be listed in the PPH or talked about here were he not. And the most satisfied customers can't sing his praises, obviously.

 

[mnjkl]

If you're so suspicious of everything here, then why are you here? A has been a very reliable source of N for a long time. He wouldn't be listed in the PPH or talked about here were he not. And the most satisfied customers can't sing his praises, obviously.

I still like the site, I just think it's better to be suspicious. Maybe A has been reliable in the past, but if a bunch of people were raided after ordering from him then I think it's safe to say he's no longer reliable. I hate the idea of someone being busted for buying N because they weren't careful enough, it's better to trust no one keep everything secure on your end.

 

[Soul]

Peeps, please! A was *the* reliable source until a wave of disturbing reports very like @sleepy dog's circa June this year. As a result A shut down operations for a while.

That wave was very disruptive to this site, even for people who never intended to use N. There were multiple threads about it, but some were deleted and others locked so even with a thorough search it's unlikely you'd find a coherent picture.

Please let's not start again. @sleepy dog is quite right not to provide details; @Blackjack, I understand your concerns but please don't be so hard on @sleepy dog. S/He doesn't know you from Adam, after all, and what happened to him/her is pretty high on the paranoid-making scale. What s/he's said, including about the point of origin of packets from A to the US, is consistent with what others have said.

People, please be careful. Keep your stuff in creative hiding places - even outside of your residences if possible, underground, up a mighty oak tree, in a safe deposit box or wherever.

PS If you put the word confiscated in the forum's search gizmo, you'll see many hits from June/July that are related to the brouhaha over reports of police raids. It's not pleasant. Let's all be careful, peeps, please.