Height is important and im tired of people pretending its not

[imontheloose]

The gish-galloping in this thread is laughable. I understand you. When you're truly short, your life is hell. People will tell you, "well hey-ho kiddo, I'm 190cm and rich, but I still frown sometimes, so cheer up, can't be that bad!". Insensitive tossers. Of course there is no inherent better in life, but current society is very sociologically and evidently biased towards taller males than shorter males.

This site doesn't understand these problems anymore, it's filled with normie children now sadly. You can tell most people on the site aren't even sentient adults yet.

 

[darksouls]

people have made my life hell,
I have been treated like trash by people my entire life,
I am over 6 feet tall

 

[l1ablemistakes]

Feel like I should chime in as a 180cm woman. I'm taller than my boyfriend and it honestly doesnt bother me at all. I used to be insecure about my height and people sometimes teased me over it but now I have many other things to stress over lol. It's a shitty insecurity to have, I get you. But I promise people worth your time won't care

 

[aufrechtm7]

The gish-galloping in this thread is laughable. I understand you. When you're truly short, your life is hell. People will tell you, "well hey-ho kiddo, I'm 190cm and rich, but I still frown sometimes, so cheer up, can't be that bad!". Insensitive tossers. Of course there is no inherent better in life, but current society is very sociologically and evidently biased towards taller males than shorter males.

This site doesn't understand these problems anymore, it's filled with normie children now sadly. You can tell most people on the site aren't even sentient adults yet.

I am short, my life isn't hell because of my height. Not sure what gish galloping you're about, again universal truth claims require substantiation.

 

[emptymiku]

i fucking hate being tall. im biologically a woman and im like 5'8 and i hate it. so much

 

[Jello Biafra]

The gish-galloping in this thread is laughable. I understand you. When you're truly short, your life is hell. People will tell you, "well hey-ho kiddo, I'm 190cm and rich, but I still frown sometimes, so cheer up, can't be that bad!". Insensitive tossers. Of course there is no inherent better in life, but current society is very sociologically and evidently biased towards taller males than shorter males.

This site doesn't understand these problems anymore, it's filled with normie children now sadly. You can tell most people on the site aren't even sentient adults yet.

Just because people have the inability to identify with yours or anyone else's specific problems doesn't preclude them from offering some encouragement or attempting to explain that we all have problems that have brought us here. That's what maturity and empathy is.

Nobody is twisting your arm forcing you to come here to interact with all the "normie children", my guy, and certainly only a child would think that playing an edge lord on an anonymous suicide forum, stomping your feet and throwing an e-tantrum because your specific issue isn't coddled, is pretty far from some representative trait of an actual adult.

Now re-read your post but this time listen real closely for the irony.

 

[android]

Im 6 2, have never kissed or held hands with a woman, and have never been happy a day in my life. Your mind is the problem, not your body.

 

[joey2424]

Just because people have the inability to identify with yours or anyone else's specific problems doesn't preclude them from offering some encouragement or attempting to explain that we all have problems that have brought us here. That's what maturity and empathy is.

Nobody is twisting your arm forcing you to come here to interact with all the "normie children", my guy, and certainly only a child would think that playing an edge lord on an anonymous suicide forum, stomping your feet and throwing an e-tantrum because your specific issue isn't coddled, is pretty far from some representative trait of an actual adult.

Now re-read your post but this time listen real closely for the irony.

This is an unnecessarily harsh reply. I think you should also re-read your post and think about whether this is how you want to be interacting with strangers on a suicide forum.

 

[Jello Biafra]

This is an unnecessarily harsh reply. I think you should also re-read your post and think about whether this is how you want to be interacting with strangers on a suicide forum.

Hi Joey,

I have not a single solitary negative interaction with anyone here in almost 2 years of posting here. Every single one of my posts have been nothing but helpful, empathetic, and encouraging.

But I'm also not a push over. And if you think I'm going sit idly by while some edgelord berated all the people who took time to respond to OP, as well as the forum in general, sorry, I'm not going to do that.

I do find it curious that you took no issue with that person's post, which was essentially mocking the people who replied to OP, labeling the forum as a bunch of "normie children", and instead find a problem with my reaction to such.

I have friends and real connections here. I'm not going to let some call of duty casual make fun of them.

All the best,

Jello

 

[joey2424]

Hi Joey,

I have not a single solitary negative interaction with anyone here in almost 2 years of posting here. Every single one of my posts have been nothing but helpful, empathetic, and encouraging.

But I'm also not a push over. And if you think I'm going sit idly by while some edgelord berated all the people who took time to respond to OP, as well as the forum in general, sorry, I'm not going to do that.

I do find it curious that you took no issue with that person's post, which was essentially mocking the people who replied to OP, and instead find a problem with my reaction to such.

I think a lot of comments have been dismissing of what the OP said is a big issue for them in their life. And the OP has also said that tall people keep telling them that being short isn't the problem, but they don't know what it's like to be short. So the person you've replied to, while I agree was rude, was also recognizing and addressing that the OPs pain is valid. Maybe I feel more compelled by your comment because it's directed at a specific person, which feels harsher. In other words, you're both in the wrong, but I did interpret the other person as at least sympathizing with the post. I really didn't like you saying "that your issue isn't coddled". We should be allowed to share whatever our issues are.

 

[Jello Biafra]

I think a lot of comments have been dismissing of what the OP said is a big issue for them in their life. And the OP has also said that tall people keep telling them that being short isn't the problem, but they don't know what it's like to be short. So the person you've replied to, while I agree was rude, was also recognizing and addressing that the OPs pain is valid. Maybe I feel more compelled by your comment because it's directed at a specific person, which feels harsher. In other words, you're both in the wrong, but I did interpret the other person as at least sympathizing with the post. I really didn't like you saying "that your issue isn't coddled". We should be allowed to share whatever our issues are.

Everyone who replied to OP, from what I can tell, did so out of concern. Dismissing that, by the person in question, is what I took issue with.

Perhaps you misunderstood my post - nowhere was I implying that anyone's specific issue or problem is not important. Rather, what I was saying was just because his specific issue wasn't being addressed by people who could relate to said problem, didn't mean they were "gish galloping", or obfuscating the person's problem. Believe it or not, I can empathize with other people's misery without suffering from a near replication of their circumstance, and for someone to waltz in here and dismiss that is pretty short sighted and juvenile.

In sum, I was basically taking issue with someone who was reacting in a manner that you implied of me.

Maybe it's just me, but accusing everyone of "gish-galloping", calling them a bunch of "tossers", and labeling the entire forum of being a bunch of "children" is not the best way to earn sympathy or respect.

No hard feelings - Jello

 

[aufrechtm7]

I think a lot of comments have been dismissing of what the OP said is a big issue for them in their life. And the OP has also said that tall people keep telling them that being short isn't the problem, but they don't know what it's like to be short. So the person you've replied to, while I agree was rude, was also recognizing and addressing that the OPs pain is valid. Maybe I feel more compelled by your comment because it's directed at a specific person, which feels harsher. In other words, you're both in the wrong, but I did interpret the other person as at least sympathizing with the post. I really didn't like you saying "that your issue isn't coddled". We should be allowed to share whatever our issues are.

I reread all of the replies and I disagree that most of them were being dismissive of OP's feelings, it really was the opposite. Everyone was attempting to explain that these feelings are not strictly a result of being short, it's just the easiest explanation one can provide.

It seems like an extremely uncomfortable topic for the OP, but that's why I asked if they wanted to vent or have a discussion. The best way to understand your feelings is to think about em after all.

 

[joey2424]

I reread all of the replies and I disagree that most of them were being dismissive of OP's feelings, it really was the opposite. Everyone was attempting to explain that these feelings are not strictly a result of being short, it's just the easiest explanation one can provide.

It seems like an extremely uncomfortable topic for the OP, but that's why I asked if they wanted to vent or have a discussion. The best way to understand your feelings is to think about em after all.

I'm not saying anyone had bad intentions! I really just didn't like the tone of the message I replied to but I acknowledge that the post it was replying to was mean too. I can't speak for OP but it kinda seemed like they wanted to vent. So I'm just kinda like ya, being tall does make things easier for men, just like being thin and curvy makes things easier for women. These things are out of our control. It's not everything, but it's still real. I don't want to fight with anyone and I'm sorry for coming off wrong I just felt like it was a harsh response. I don't mean any harm to anyone.

 

[sanctionedusage]

nothing more agitating than someone complaining about an objectively unlucky insecurity and then people with the ideal coming in and saying how theyre still sad in spite of having the ideal.

fat women complaining about how theyre treated socially, medical negligence, etc. and then skinny women coming in and saying 'well i got called twig when i was 9,' and even vice versa. yes, it's inherently dismissive. imagine someone posting about having garbage parents and someone comes in and says 'well i have two loving parents and im still suicidal' LOL. the conversation had nothing to do with you.

nowhere did hurb say he was only suicidal because of his height. hes venting about/discussing one thing in life that weighs on him. there was literally one piece of advice in this entire thread that wasn't just outright denial of societal pillars. a problem doesnt have to be genuinely earth shattering to be negatively affected by it.

 

[aufrechtm7]

I'm not saying anyone had bad intentions! I really just didn't like the tone of the message I replied to but I acknowledge that the post it was replying to was mean too. I can't speak for OP but it kinda seemed like they wanted to vent. So I'm just kinda like ya, being tall does make things easier for men, just like being thin and curvy makes things easier for women. These things are out of our control. It's not everything, but it's still real. I don't want to fight with anyone and I'm sorry for coming off wrong I just felt like it was a harsh response. I don't mean any harm to anyone.

I think the issue was just getting off on the wrong foot. Maybe OP will come back at another time and revisit this.

But I still disagree with the claims that are being pushed about our biases as a society towards certain body types. Just because social bias exists doesn't mean those things are strictly good or that you're superior to those who are the opposite, life is extremely complex people's problems can't just be boiled down to not simply not being tall or curvy enough.

 

[Mr.Tristesse]

Height definitely matters, as in is liable to make a tangible difference, especially if you're a man. It's not an immunizing factor against misery and suicidal ideation, as nothing is, nor is it a guarantee of a bad life, as nothing is. That doesn't mean it doesn't matter. I don't know why that is hard to understand lol.

Height is a privilege. What is a privilege? That word gets tossed around so much it is understandable if it feels meaningless and trite. The way I define privilege is if everything else is equal except for one factor and on *balance* the presence of that factor makes your life easier, then that thing is a privilege. It is clear that height falls into that, especially if you're a man, who usually are going to be the ones who bemoan lack of statute the most.

 

[aufrechtm7]

Height definitely matters, as in is liable to make a tangible difference, especially if you're a man. It's not an immunizing factor against misery and suicidal ideation, as nothing is, nor is it a guarantee of a bad life, as nothing is. That doesn't mean it doesn't matter. I don't know why that is hard to understand lol.

Height is a privilege. What is a privilege? That word gets tossed around so much it is understandable if it feels meaningless and trite. The way I define privilege is if everything else is equal except for one factor and on *balance* the presence of that factor makes your life easier, then that thing is a privilege. It is clear that height falls into that, especially if you're a man, who usually are going to be the ones who bemoan lack of statute the most.

The main topic is about OP's height in relation to their vulnerability or perceived safety. Being short isn't the actual explanation as to why they feel the way they do, correlation≠causation. Being tall can be a privilege in the same sense that being white can be a privilege, but being tall/white does not make you inherently superior to others who don't possess those traits.

Nobody was trying to invalidate OP's feelings, but exaggerating the impact of privilege and feeding into negative biases at the same time isn't really helpful.

 

[crackaddict117]

sorry op, I hope you are blessed with being at least average in your next life. Not specifically about height but I know very well how much it sucks to feel genetically inferior to others.

And to your point about feeling "vulnerable" around taller people. Height and weight are supremely important in a fight but going to a gym and learning how to throw a punch and grapple puts you ahead of lots of dudes who might otherwise overpower you. Also, its pretty vain but being short might help you build a muscular looking physique since you have less surface area to fill out.

 

[aufrechtm7]

sorry op, I hope you are blessed with being at least average in your next life. Not specifically about height but I know very well how much it sucks to feel genetically inferior to others.

And to your point about feeling "vulnerable" around taller people. Height and weight are supremely important in a fight but going to a gym and learning how to throw a punch and grapple puts you ahead of lots of dudes who might otherwise overpower you. Also, its pretty vain but being short might help you build a muscular looking physique since you have less surface area to fill out.

Being short isn't genetic inferiority, but I agree with the second part of your comment. Being shorter makes it easier to build muscle mass.

 

[violetforever]

The gish-galloping in this thread is laughable. I understand you. When you're truly short, your life is hell. People will tell you, "well hey-ho kiddo, I'm 190cm and rich, but I still frown sometimes, so cheer up, can't be that bad!". Insensitive tossers. Of course there is no inherent better in life, but current society is very sociologically and evidently biased towards taller males than shorter males.

This site doesn't understand these problems anymore, it's filled with normie children now sadly. You can tell most people on the site aren't even sentient adults yet

i agree with u but saying "normie children" and then talking about being a sentient adult made me laugh)

 

[imontheloose]

i agree with u but saying "normie children" and then talking about being a sentient adult made me laugh)

Need to have the ying and the yang!

I am short, my life isn't hell because of my height. Not sure what gish galloping you're about, again universal truth claims require substantiation.

If you want to be so pedantic about arguing, then your first sentence is a logical fallacy. Anyway, no one claimed universal truth. We have plenty sociological evidence backing that being shorter means you're more likely to suffer in several regards.

Just because people have the inability to identify with yours or anyone else's specific problems doesn't preclude them from offering some encouragement or attempting to explain that we all have problems that have brought us here. That's what maturity and empathy is.

Nobody is twisting your arm forcing you to come here to interact with all the "normie children", my guy, and certainly only a child would think that playing an edge lord on an anonymous suicide forum, stomping your feet and throwing an e-tantrum because your specific issue isn't coddled, is pretty far from some representative trait of an actual adult.

Now re-read your post but this time listen real closely for the irony.

Get back to Reddit. Pathetic attempt at white-knighting. You got that stroppy about me finally not dismissing OP's feelings that you spent ten minutes editing your response.

"attempting to explain that we all have problems that have brought us here. That's what maturity and empathy is."

In a venting thread, it's empathetic to say "hey we all have problems. Look at me for example, I'm everything you wanted but I also feel sad", for sure fella. Maybe if you didn't view yourself as this beacon of empathy with the right of policing people then things would be different.

 

[aufrechtm7]

If you want to be so pedantic about arguing, then your first sentence is a logical fallacy. Anyway, no one claimed universal truth. We have plenty sociological evidence backing that being shorter means you're more likely to suffer in several regards.

I'm not being pedantic about anything and that isn't a logical fallacy, you claimed that being truly short makes your life hell. What you are doing though, is shifting the goal posts.

Universal truth has been argued multiple times in this thread, someone quite literally just said being short is a genetic inferiority which is 100% false. Lacking in privilege doesn't automatically equate to suffering and you guys keep stating otherwise without actually explaining why.

 

[android]

This is an unnecessarily harsh reply. I think you should also re-read your post and think about whether this is how you want to be interacting with strangers on a suicide forum.

I don't think it is harsh. If you genuinely think the root cause of your problems is height, your suffering is 100% mental. It is a form of body dismorphia. How is it any different from thinking "life as a slightly chubby 25kg woman is not worth it"? The root cause is not your height. It's your unhealthy perception of your body.

In fact, validating this is harmful. It is no different from "thinspo". Why should we encourage them into thinking that the source of their problems is genuinely physical when it is in fact mental? Do you tell an anorexic girl that indeed, her problems in life are because she is so fat?

We aren't talking about dwarfism here, don't get it twisted.

 

[Hellonearth]

Of course it matters - if you're male. Men are more submissive and respectful towards you; women desire you because you have the physical features of a protector, a conqueror. It's basic biology - and yes, it sucks.

I'm sorry you didn't win the genetic lottery in this regard. If you still have some courage at your disposal, I would suggest improving your financial and social situation. Some short men can punch above their weight, so to speak, if they have everything else in their life working perfectly.

Ultimately it all boils down to whether you want to play this ruthless videogame called life.

 

[joey2424]

I don't think it is harsh. If you genuinely think the root cause of your problems is height, your suffering is 100% mental. It is a form of body dismorphia. How is it any different from thinking "life as a slightly chubby 25kg woman is not worth it"? The root cause is not your height. It's your unhealthy perception of your body.

In fact, validating this is harmful. It is no different from "thinspo". Why should we encourage them into thinking that the source of their problems is genuinely physical when it is in fact mental? Do you tell an anorexic girl that indeed, her problems in life are because she is so fat?

We aren't talking about dwarfism here, don't get it twisted.

This is an interesting take. I don't believe OP suggested that height is the root of their problems, it's just one thing they are insecure about.

I am a woman who has had eating disorders. And if I were to share that my negative body image is something I struggle with which makes life more difficult, that is valid. It's my experience. It's not the only factor/root cause of my problems. But it is true for me. If someone sympathizes with me and agrees that the ideal body portrayed in media is thin, that doesn't count as thinspo. They're just acknowledging something real.

But what I really find interesting is you saying that "your suffering is mental". Well yes, I would say that is true for me. I have mental health issues and everything I am suffering from is mental. I am physically healthy. Is that not valid suffering?

 

[aufrechtm7]

I don't think it is harsh. If you genuinely think the root cause of your problems is height, your suffering is 100% mental. It is a form of body dismorphia. How is it any different from thinking "life as a slightly chubby 25kg woman is not worth it"? The root cause is not your height. It's your unhealthy perception of your body.

In fact, validating this is harmful. It is no different from "thinspo". Why should we encourage them into thinking that the source of their problems is genuinely physical when it is in fact mental? Do you tell an anorexic girl that indeed, her problems in life are because she is so fat?

We aren't talking about dwarfism here, don't get it twisted.

I mostly agree, but the examples you provided are a bit different. Validating the argument (their emotions are still 100% valid ofc) is harmful.

Probability isn't fate and there is reasoning in this thread that's similar to incel ideology which is harmful. Feeling unsafe around people who are a lot taller is an issue that goes beyond just being shorter, and to suggest otherwise is not only misleading but harmful/self defeating as well.

Of course it matters - if you're male. Men are more submissive and respectful towards you; women desire you because you have the physical features of a protector, a conqueror. It's basic biology - and yes, it sucks.

I'm sorry you didn't win the genetic lottery in this regard.

I'm not trying to be rude, but this isn't true and please stop referring to this sort of thing as "losing the genetic lottery".

I don't believe OP suggested that height is the root of their problems, it's just one thing they are insecure about.

I am a woman who has had eating disorders. And if I were to share that my negative body image is something I struggle with which makes life more difficult, that is valid. It's my experience. It's not the only factor/root cause of my problems. But it is true for me. If someone sympathizes with me and agrees that the ideal body portrayed in media is thin, that doesn't count as thinspo. They're just acknowledging something real.

But what I really find interesting is you saying that "your suffering is mental". Well yes, I would say that is true for me. I have mental health issues and everything I am suffering from is mental. I am physically healthy. Is that not valid suffering?

There are many replies not just from the OP that suggest otherwise unfortunately.

Your suffering is always valid, but what's important is to not play into negative biases and treat them as absolute because that's harmful and counterproductive. You aren't less valuable as a person because you don't conform to what is "ideal" by society.

 

[Dot]

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[davidtorez]

Tall people risk to get cut down by me axe; what if I mistake you for spruce?

Are threatening me with a good time?

you are depressed despite being tall*
also i never said the only reason im depressed is because of being short , it is just an extra problem to other problems i have to deal with

I get it. I'm just trying to uplift your spirits by letting you know being tall isnt all that its cracked up to be

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

Are threatening me with a good time?

You asked for it, you're getting chopped down

 

[Jello Biafra]

Need to have the ying and the yang!

If you want to be so pedantic about arguing, then your first sentence is a logical fallacy. Anyway, no one claimed universal truth. We have plenty sociological evidence backing that being shorter means you're more likely to suffer in several regards.

Get back to Reddit. Pathetic attempt at white-knighting. You got that stroppy about me finally not dismissing OP's feelings that you spent ten minutes editing your response.

"attempting to explain that we all have problems that have brought us here. That's what maturity and empathy is."

In a venting thread, it's empathetic to say "hey we all have problems. Look at me for example, I'm everything you wanted but I also feel sad", for sure fella. Maybe if you didn't view yourself as this beacon of empathy with the right of policing people then things would be different.

I find it highly ironic that you bitched about me "editing my post", when everyone can clearly see at the bottom of your post that you did so as well. Maybe you should look up the word "ironic" in the dictionary. Or "hypocritical", that works too.

I am certainly not some "beacon of empathy", but I do have the maturity to understand that empathy does not necessitate experiencing a complete replication of someone else's problems. Perhaps this confuses you because you lack the wherewithal to understand anyone else's problems that you yourself don't experience personally.

You waltzed in here accusing others who were responding to OP as "gish-galloping", labeled them as "tossers", and then claimed the entire forum was a bunch of "normie children".

You're dumb-ass little gif only emphasizes my point. You want to conduct yourself as some e-bully who throws out insults towards people you don't even know as some little juvenile edgelord act, as if you are so above everyone else that you reserve the right to denigrate anyone that your narrow little opinion deems a target.

I get it - you have some incessant need to bark because you wear shoes made in women's sizes. Just know that your small stature doesn't make you an asshole, it's more your attitude and the way you conduct yourself. It's pretty obvious that you think you are perceived as some intellectual heavyweight by casting insults and having a mean gif game, but really, you only come across as some sad little individual who is under the impression that acting all hard on an anonymous internet forum is the behavior of someone who can't stand looking in the mirror.

I don't dislike you - I feel sorry for you. As I said in my first post, if this place is so beneath you, why do you even bother coming here and interacting with a bunch of "tossers"? Have you no self control? Or do you just come here to pick on people, somehow thinking you are enacting revenge on all the people who picked on you?

Sorry, but I care about people here, I don't think they are "tossers" or "normie children". And if you think for 1 second that because you're the size of a 5th grader this gives you license to lash out at others, you're just a weak minded individual. You know why? Because your behavior is demonstrative of the very real abuse that people face every day. Have a nice day.