Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[fox_wannabe]

you can say your dad asked you to buy gas. You need argon and like 5l tank or above. Also need flow regulator that fits It.

 

[ExpiredLion]

you can say your dad asked you to buy gas. You need argon and like 5l tank or above. Also need flow regulator that fits It.

and do most stores allow you to just load it in any car? I thought i read that airgas would only sell if you have a truck

 

[fox_wannabe]

and do most stores allow you to just load it in any car? I thought i read that airgas would only sell if you have a truck

I bought mine via internet and It came with regulator.

 

[ExpiredLion]

I bought mine via internet and It came with regulator.

i see yeah i figured i couldn't buy it online since i live at an apartment and it might raise suspicions either by them delivering it or my apartment complex. it's why i'm so frustrated those balloon time tanks no longer work since that at least has a better cover if my landlord sees it

 

[fox_wannabe]

i see yeah i figured i couldn't buy it online since i live at an apartment and it might raise suspicions either by them delivering it or my apartment complex. it's why i'm so frustrated those balloon time tanks no longer work since that at least has a better cover if my landlord sees it

Damn sorry to hear that. If you are worried that others will see it you might have to look for different method, sorry to say.

 

[ExpiredLion]

Damn sorry to hear that. If you are worried that others will see it you might have to look for different method, sorry to say.

yeah i was really wanting to do this one since it appears more peaceful but i think i'm just going to have to grow a pair and buy a gun

 

[fox_wannabe]

yeah i was really wanting to do this one since it appears more peaceful but i think i'm just going to have to grow a pair and buy a gun

I am sorry to hear that

 

[johnbooster]

About the regulator, I've tried to tight the bolt by hand but there was a leak. Do you know if a wrench is a must have or hands should be enough?
Does it mean my regulator is broken?

 

[fox_wannabe]

About the regulator, I've tried to tight the bolt by hand but there was a leak. Do you know if a wrench is a must have or hands should be enough?
Does it mean my regulator is broken?

I used wrench, it seams a must for a good fit

 

[johnbooster]

I used wrench, it seams a must for a good fit

I'll give it a try, thank you!

 

[Miri]

Are there many confirmed ctb via the inert method we know of here?
From what i can see It seems more people ctb via SN despite investigating the inert gas method.

I have the same question

 

[mandyjohnuk]

On here I think only a few. Only a while back I remember seeing a guy write about using Nitrogen and he. Said he could do the bag over his head so he purchased a cheap medical non rebreather mask to aid him. I think he pulled it off as I have not heard anything of him.

 

[CinnamonScrolls]

Does anyone have any resources on making the actual exit bag with elastic etc. Someone said there were videos in this mega thread but I can't find them. Thanks.

 

[johnbooster]

Does anyone have any resources on making the actual exit bag with elastic etc. Someone said there were videos in this mega thread but I can't find them. Thanks.

One of the members here have a detailed blogspot about this method :
@Greenberg
I won't put the website since I'm not sure it's allowed to do.
Check this profile, you'll easily find it.

Found everything I wanted on it.

 

[PrincessInWhite]

Is anyone willing to take a look at my materials and confirm they'll work well together? I have severe insomnia and cognition is difficult so I would so appreciate anyone knowledgeable confirming my regulator end tank should be good to go

 

[Greenberg]

@PrincessInWhite, I would be happy to review your setup. Best, G

 

[LastTime]

I'm not sure how to reassure your fears; they can be so complex, and things I have done to prepare myself --donning the bag every so often just to acclimate myself to having it on my head, etc.-- may not be useful to you.

Survival instinct is a bitch. As I've described elsewhere(?), in that moment where I started to black out it was as though I became two people: the persona who was desperate to ctb, and a much, much steadier persona, less present in my mindset but somehow more forceful, who took control of my body and removed the bag from my head. I did not tear the bag off or struggle, I just quickly and dexterously removed it from my head. Then that second persona vanished and I collapsed in a sobbing heap. The description coming to my mind now is that it was akin to being a small child, and lifted away from my games by a far larger adult that I hadn't a chance to even struggle against effectively. It had shades of the same sense of impotence, fury, frustration, indignation, injustice.

Will I try again? Yes. At least that's my current intent. The method is as proven as any other, from what I can tell it is as painless as all sources say it is, and it will not leave so unpleasant a corpse as my back-up method (firearm). So I will keep trying for so long as I have enough N2 in the tank to get the job done and not leave myself alive but brain damaged. What have I got to lose?

I CANNOT afford to fail. I have one tank and ... I just can't so ... how do I tie my hands or secure my hands so I can't pull the bag away

Argon should be fine, from what I can tell. Others here are going that route. The only Ar failure I've heard was due (I think) to using a repurposed snorkle mask rather than an exit bag, and that wasn't the Ar's fault.

As for the ketamine: My experience is that I've failed three times with eb/ig. Each time, I got close to blacking out and survival instinct kicked in and I pulled the bag away. Judging from those experiences, I don't think that an immobilizer would have helped. There's about a two minute window between when you need to have your wits about you and full coordination, to get the gas flowing and the bag ready, and when you either black out or pull the bag away. That's a rough guess, but call it two minutes between opening the valve and unconscious. The ketamine would need to have a very, very fast onset, and you'd need to time it just exactly right, otherwise you'd either be too uncoordinated to start the process, or it would be pointless to have bothered with the ketamine.

In short, I wouldn't bother with the ketamine. I think either it would be pointless or it would sabotage you from the outset.

So then please expound on your thoughts with the sleeping pills. A bird bought some doxylamine succinate ... is that a waste too ? From what it sounds with the survival instinct - which is odd as f---- of the human body - sounds like some are meant to die by this and some aren't??? You see all these pictures of people dead by this method but you have done it 3 times ... People make it seem like this method is fail proof...

I read about a guy who fastened his hands to his belt loop some how ... how would that work in two minutes ...??

I CANNOT afford to fail. I have one tank and ... I just can't so ... how do I tie my hands or secure my hands so I can't pull the bag away

So then please expound on your thoughts with the sleeping pills. A bird bought some doxylamine succinate ... is that a waste too ? From what it sounds with the survival instinct - which is odd as f---- of the human body - sounds like some are meant to die by this and some aren't??? You see all these pictures of people dead by this method but you have done it 3 times ... People make it seem like this method is fail proof...

I read about a guy who fastened his hands to his belt loop some how ... how would that work in two minutes ...??

Also, brain dead ... is that a risk with this? Can you render yourself brain dead ?

Argon should be fine, from what I can tell. Others here are going that route. The only Ar failure I've heard was due (I think) to using a repurposed snorkle mask rather than an exit bag, and that wasn't the Ar's fault.

As for the ketamine: My experience is that I've failed three times with eb/ig. Each time, I got close to blacking out and survival instinct kicked in and I pulled the bag away. Judging from those experiences, I don't think that an immobilizer would have helped. There's about a two minute window between when you need to have your wits about you and full coordination, to get the gas flowing and the bag ready, and when you either black out or pull the bag away. That's a rough guess, but call it two minutes between opening the valve and unconscious. The ketamine would need to have a very, very fast onset, and you'd need to time it just exactly right, otherwise you'd either be too uncoordinated to start the process, or it would be pointless to have bothered with the ketamine.

In short, I wouldn't bother with the ketamine. I think either it would be pointless or it would sabotage you from the outset.

So then please expound on your thoughts with the sleeping pills. A bird bought some doxylamine succinate ... is that a waste too ? From what it sounds with the survival instinct - which is odd as f---- of the human body - sounds like some are meant to die by this and some aren't??? You see all these pictures of people dead by this method but you have done it 3 times ... People make it seem like this method is fail proof...

I read about a guy who fastened his hands to his belt loop some how ... how would that work in two minutes ...??

Argon should be fine, from what I can tell. Others here are going that route. The only Ar failure I've heard was due (I think) to using a repurposed snorkle mask rather than an exit bag, and that wasn't the Ar's fault.

As for the ketamine: My experience is that I've failed three times with eb/ig. Each time, I got close to blacking out and survival instinct kicked in and I pulled the bag away. Judging from those experiences, I don't think that an immobilizer would have helped. There's about a two minute window between when you need to have your wits about you and full coordination, to get the gas flowing and the bag ready, and when you either black out or pull the bag away. That's a rough guess, but call it two minutes between opening the valve and unconscious. The ketamine would need to have a very, very fast onset, and you'd need to time it just exactly right, otherwise you'd either be too uncoordinated to start the process, or it would be pointless to have bothered with the ketamine.

In short, I wouldn't bother with the ketamine. I think either it would be pointless or it would sabotage you from the outset.

So then please expound on your thoughts with the sleeping pills. A bird bought some doxylamine succinate ... is that a waste too ? From what it sounds with the survival instinct - which is odd as f---- of the human body - sounds like some are meant to die by this and some aren't??? You see all these pictures of people dead by this method but you have done it 3 times ... People make it seem like this method is fail proof...

I read about a guy who fastened his hands to his belt loop some how ... how would that work in two minutes ...??

Too, I'm using Argon ...not much on the web about it. I only found one fatal and one failed. Supposedly the kid had the bag on for less than an hour when his parents came home to find him only unconscious? The report said his bag may not have been tight enough ... ugh, I'm starting to think I should have opted for the scuba / diving mask ...

Argon should be fine, from what I can tell. Others here are going that route. The only Ar failure I've heard was due (I think) to using a repurposed snorkle mask rather than an exit bag, and that wasn't the Ar's fault.

As for the ketamine: My experience is that I've failed three times with eb/ig. Each time, I got close to blacking out and survival instinct kicked in and I pulled the bag away. Judging from those experiences, I don't think that an immobilizer would have helped. There's about a two minute window between when you need to have your wits about you and full coordination, to get the gas flowing and the bag ready, and when you either black out or pull the bag away. That's a rough guess, but call it two minutes between opening the valve and unconscious. The ketamine would need to have a very, very fast onset, and you'd need to time it just exactly right, otherwise you'd either be too uncoordinated to start the process, or it would be pointless to have bothered with the ketamine.

In short, I wouldn't bother with the ketamine. I think either it would be pointless or it would sabotage you from the outset.

It seems the mask is more secure and harder to take off with that second persona ... how did they fail?

 

[Apricity]

When I aborted my attempt the other night, my bag had just barely filled up when my wife called. After having a video chat with her with an inflated exit bag on my head, I took it off and held it against my face just to see if it really felt the same as just breathing regular air. It does.

I honestly couldn't tell the difference between regular air and pure nitrogen, until my body started running out of oxygen. I started breathing faster, as if trying to catch my breath. I started getting dizzy as well, then I let the bag fall off my face. I'm definitely going to need a benzo for this. Any thoughts @Greenberg ?

 

[LastTime]

When I aborted my attempt the other night, my bag had just barely filled up when my wife called. After having a video chat with her with an inflated exit bag on my head, I took it off and held it against my face just to see if it really felt the same as just breathing regular air. It does.

I honestly couldn't tell the difference between regular air and pure nitrogen, until my body started running out of oxygen. I started breathing faster, as if trying to catch my breath. I started getting dizzy as well, then I let the bag fall off my face. I'm definitely going to need a benzo for this. Any thoughts @Greenberg ?

So... you panicked?
Would you say it that way?

So... you panicked?
Would you say it that way?

I guess to clarify I'm asking did you feel panicked ... is that why you let the bag come off?

 

[Greenberg]

When I aborted my attempt the other night, my bag had just barely filled up when my wife called. After having a video chat with her with an inflated exit bag on my head, I took it off and held it against my face just to see if it really felt the same as just breathing regular air. It does.

I honestly couldn't tell the difference between regular air and pure nitrogen, until my body started running out of oxygen. I started breathing faster, as if trying to catch my breath. I started getting dizzy as well, then I let the bag fall off my face. I'm definitely going to need a benzo for this. Any thoughts @Greenberg ?

Yes, controlling SI is key. Meds would help but may interfere with your focus. I would suggest breathing normally as the process is very quick and everything will go dark without notice.

 

[Miri]

Yes, controlling SI is key. Meds would help but may interfere with your focus. I would suggest breathing normally as the process is very quick and everything will go dark without notice.

@Greenberg, Could it possible taking Nembutal before putting the exit bag mixing two methods?

Yes, controlling SI is key. Meds would help but may interfere with your focus. I would suggest breathing normally as the process is very quick and everything will go dark without notice.

IS can be active although you are unconciouss?

 

[Greenberg]

@Greenberg, Could it possible taking Nembutal before putting the exit bag mixing two methods?

IS can be active although you are unconciouss?

Is there a reason why you would want to combine methods? Both are effective methods. You are adding complexity to the process.

I do not know what you mean by SI being active while unconscious.

 

[mandyjohnuk]

Is there a reason why you would want to combine methods? Both are effective methods. You are adding complexity to the process.

I do not know what you mean by SI being active while unconscious.

I thought Nembutal was a method on its own. You wouldn't need another method combining.

 

[LastTime]

yeah i was really wanting to do this one since it appears more peaceful but i think i'm just going to have to grow a pair and buy a gun

A regulator screws on to the cylinder and does two things: 1) it reduces the pressure in the cylinder to a useable level, otherwise the 2000psi tank pressure would just blow the exit bag off your head as soon as you opened the valve, and 2) it controls the rate of gas flow into the exit bag —specifically, it should release it at 15Lpm, which is the minimum adequate to carry away exhaled CO2 and fool your lungs into believing there's enough air.

The good news is that while gas cylinder sizes are not globally standardized, the cylinder valve threads are —and both N2 and Ar cylinders have the same threads (other gasses have different threads), so a regulator that fits on one cylinder will fit equally well on another.

You don't need to worry about being sure to choose a regulator that will reduce the pressure: they all do that. The flowmeter is the critical element of the regulator for our purposes.

Some regulators come with a "click adjust" flowmeter that is very simple, allowing you to dial in 15Lpm without needing to think about it. To the best of my knowledge, these are medical grade regulators; generally very good quality, but often a bit more expensive. Others here may know more about them, and where to acquire them, than I do.

A typical welding regulator will have two gauges: the tank pressure gauge (unimportant to us) and the flowmeter gauge.

A welding regulator's flowmeter gauge will be marked in either cubic feet per hour (Cfh), Lpm, or both. Some welding systems require a fairly low flow of inert gas, much lower than our necessary 15Lpm, and this low flow is most easily measured in Cfh. If you see a gauge marked only in Cfh, it probably will not work for our purpose. Look at the highest Cfh setting on the flowmeter and do the math, to be certain. If the gauge reads in Lpm, a glance should tell you whether the regulator provides the necessary 15Lpm flow.

Harbor Freight Tools offers a cheap CO2/Ar regulator (it also works for N2) with a flowmeter that shows flow in both Cfh and Lpm and goes high enough for our purposes. This is what I have.

The Hose:

The hose needs to be long enough to reach from the gas cylinder beside you, up into the exit bag on your head. I have found it easiest to lead the hose up my back and into the bag at the very back of my neck. It seems to disrupt the fit of the bag less right there.

Some regulators come with a hose that threads directly into the regulator body. Some regulators come with a hose-barb, onto which a length of soft tubing can be pressed. Some regulators come with neither.

For the first situation, just thread the hose into the regulator, tighten it with a wrench, and it's ready.

(Regardless of what type of threaded fitting is used, you do need to wrench-tighten this fitting: a lot of gas can leak out at this connection. If it is a brass fitting, you should not need teflon tape on the threads; the soft metal deforms enough when tightened to provide an adequately gas-tight connection.)

For the second situation, take the hose-barb to a hardware / home improvement store and purchase tubing that fits onto the barb. Once home from the hardware store, thread the barb into the regulator body, tighten with a wrench, and press the tube onto the barb. It should be a snug fit; if you're worried it's too loose, use a small hose clamp / jubilee clip to secure it in place. If it's a little too tight to get the hose into place, soak the end of the tube in very hot water to soften it and press it onto the barb. I used clear vinyl tubing. Aquarium tubing should work. Surgical tubing may not; I don't know for sure.

For the third situation, you'll need a hose-barb fitting (typically brass) that threads into the regulator body. Take the entire regulator to the hardware store and ask someone to help you fit it with a hose barb. Then proceed as for the second situation.

Cover story: as with purchasing the gas cylinder, you're using N2 for brewing, or Ar for filling partial paint cans. Why Ar? because it's heavier than air and settles down onto the paint surface inside the can. For extra confidence that they won't ask inconvenient questions, you're doing it for your father, or your brother, and you don't know why they want it for their paint locker, they just said to get a hose barb and six feet of tubing…

The Exit Bag:

There are several videos on YouTube detailing construction of exit bags. I strongly recommend watching them. That's how I learned.

The short version of what you want is a turkey roasting bag —available in the supermarket, in with the zip-locks and cling wrap— with an elastic drawcord worked into a turned hem, and a cord-lock to adjust the drawcord's tension.

I used 3/8" elastic cord. I purchased both it and the cord lock at a sewing and crafts store (JoAnn's).

To construct the turned hem you'll need micropore (surgical) tape, available at a pharmacy in the first aid section. It's the right tape to use because it will reliably stick to the material of the bag itself. Sometimes it isn't labeled as "micropore." Ask a clerk if you can't find it.

Cover story: you were asked to re-stock the family first aid kit with micropore tape and you don't recognize any of the brands available.

Using an elastic drawcord is important: it needs to fit snugly around your neck, but not seal tightly. It must still be flexible enough for the flow of inert gas, lightly pressurizing the exit bag, to push past the elastic and flush away the CO2 you're exhaling. Don't use a non-elastic drawcord or do something like duct tape the bag to your neck; you don't want to create a seal, just a restriction.

Has anyone been trying the method here... I'm using your exact method and getting hung up at a lot of stops. Right now, I have the same regulator discussed here but getting hung up on the attaching the tube. It seems the pressure would be too high and the fittings for it are not meant for this regulator as it's for a TORCH ... it has to be converted ... can anyone help?

People, it's not so complicated

Read the PPH

Have you done this? I am following @TiredHorse 'so method and getting hung upmat quite a few stops

Has anyone been trying the method here... I'm using your exact method and getting hung up at a lot of stops. Right now, I have the same regulator discussed here but getting hung up on the attaching the tube. It seems the pressure would be too high and the fittings for it are not meant for this regulator as it's for a TORCH ... it has to be converted ... can anyone help?

Have you done this? I am following @TiredHorse 'so method and getting hung upmat quite a few stops

@Greenberg

The Regulator:

A regulator screws on to the cylinder and does two things: 1) it reduces the pressure in the cylinder to a useable level, otherwise the 2000psi tank pressure would just blow the exit bag off your head as soon as you opened the valve, and 2) it controls the rate of gas flow into the exit bag —specifically, it should release it at 15Lpm, which is the minimum adequate to carry away exhaled CO2 and fool your lungs into believing there's enough air.

The good news is that while gas cylinder sizes are not globally standardized, the cylinder valve threads are —and both N2 and Ar cylinders have the same threads (other gasses have different threads), so a regulator that fits on one cylinder will fit equally well on another.

You don't need to worry about being sure to choose a regulator that will reduce the pressure: they all do that. The flowmeter is the critical element of the regulator for our purposes.

Some regulators come with a "click adjust" flowmeter that is very simple, allowing you to dial in 15Lpm without needing to think about it. To the best of my knowledge, these are medical grade regulators; generally very good quality, but often a bit more expensive. Others here may know more about them, and where to acquire them, than I do.

A typical welding regulator will have two gauges: the tank pressure gauge (unimportant to us) and the flowmeter gauge.

A welding regulator's flowmeter gauge will be marked in either cubic feet per hour (Cfh), Lpm, or both. Some welding systems require a fairly low flow of inert gas, much lower than our necessary 15Lpm, and this low flow is most easily measured in Cfh. If you see a gauge marked only in Cfh, it probably will not work for our purpose. Look at the highest Cfh setting on the flowmeter and do the math, to be certain. If the gauge reads in Lpm, a glance should tell you whether the regulator provides the necessary 15Lpm flow.

Harbor Freight Tools offers a cheap CO2/Ar regulator (it also works for N2) with a flowmeter that shows flow in both Cfh and Lpm and goes high enough for our purposes. This is what I have.

The Hose:

The hose needs to be long enough to reach from the gas cylinder beside you, up into the exit bag on your head. I have found it easiest to lead the hose up my back and into the bag at the very back of my neck. It seems to disrupt the fit of the bag less right there.

Some regulators come with a hose that threads directly into the regulator body. Some regulators come with a hose-barb, onto which a length of soft tubing can be pressed. Some regulators come with neither.

For the first situation, just thread the hose into the regulator, tighten it with a wrench, and it's ready.

(Regardless of what type of threaded fitting is used, you do need to wrench-tighten this fitting: a lot of gas can leak out at this connection. If it is a brass fitting, you should not need teflon tape on the threads; the soft metal deforms enough when tightened to provide an adequately gas-tight connection.)

For the second situation, take the hose-barb to a hardware / home improvement store and purchase tubing that fits onto the barb. Once home from the hardware store, thread the barb into the regulator body, tighten with a wrench, and press the tube onto the barb. It should be a snug fit; if you're worried it's too loose, use a small hose clamp / jubilee clip to secure it in place. If it's a little too tight to get the hose into place, soak the end of the tube in very hot water to soften it and press it onto the barb. I used clear vinyl tubing. Aquarium tubing should work. Surgical tubing may not; I don't know for sure.

For the third situation, you'll need a hose-barb fitting (typically brass) that threads into the regulator body. Take the entire regulator to the hardware store and ask someone to help you fit it with a hose barb. Then proceed as for the second situation.

Cover story: as with purchasing the gas cylinder, you're using N2 for brewing, or Ar for filling partial paint cans. Why Ar? because it's heavier than air and settles down onto the paint surface inside the can. For extra confidence that they won't ask inconvenient questions, you're doing it for your father, or your brother, and you don't know why they want it for their paint locker, they just said to get a hose barb and six feet of tubing…

The Exit Bag:

There are several videos on YouTube detailing construction of exit bags. I strongly recommend watching them. That's how I learned.

The short version of what you want is a turkey roasting bag —available in the supermarket, in with the zip-locks and cling wrap— with an elastic drawcord worked into a turned hem, and a cord-lock to adjust the drawcord's tension.

I used 3/8" elastic cord. I purchased both it and the cord lock at a sewing and crafts store (JoAnn's).

To construct the turned hem you'll need micropore (surgical) tape, available at a pharmacy in the first aid section. It's the right tape to use because it will reliably stick to the material of the bag itself. Sometimes it isn't labeled as "micropore." Ask a clerk if you can't find it.

Cover story: you were asked to re-stock the family first aid kit with micropore tape and you don't recognize any of the brands available.

Using an elastic drawcord is important: it needs to fit snugly around your neck, but not seal tightly. It must still be flexible enough for the flow of inert gas, lightly pressurizing the exit bag, to push past the elastic and flush away the CO2 you're exhaling. Don't use a non-elastic drawcord or do something like duct tape the bag to your neck; you don't want to create a seal, just a restriction.

As far as the hose, what if we were to use a regular hose ... like this https://www.harborfreight.com/38-in-x-8-ft-15-ft-rubber-air-hose-remnant-60356.html ... would the gas still get through?

 

[Greenberg]

Has anyone been trying the method here... I'm using your exact method and getting hung up at a lot of stops. Right now, I have the same regulator discussed here but getting hung up on the attaching the tube. It seems the pressure would be too high and the fittings for it are not meant for this regulator as it's for a TORCH ... it has to be converted ... can anyone help?

Have you done this? I am following @TiredHorse 'so method and getting hung upmat quite a few stops

@Greenberg

As far as the hose, what if we were to use a regular hose ... like this https://www.harborfreight.com/38-in-x-8-ft-15-ft-rubber-air-hose-remnant-60356.html ... would the gas still get through?

I surmise that the flow rate is also a function of the diameter of the hose. May I suggest you that stay with standard oxygen tubing to retain the desired flow? Best, G

 

[LastTime]

I surmise that the flow rate is also a function of the diameter of the hose. May I suggest you that stay with standard oxygen tubing to retain the desired flow? Best, G

I'm kind of stuck with this regulator ... but when you say oxygen tubing ... what do you mean ? ...

 

[mandyjohnuk]

I'm kind of stuck with this regulator ... but when you say oxygen tubing ... what do you mean ? ...

Just look up non rebreather medical mask and look at the tubing.

 

[LastTime]

I surmise that the flow rate is also a function of the diameter of the hose. May I suggest you that stay with standard oxygen tubing to retain the desired flow? Best, G

@Greenberg ... As far as the conversion ... I'm being told you have to piece together attachments to fit the regulator and then connect the hose if it need be plastic... do you have any pictures to share of this finished product? ... and what would happen if one were to use a standard hose and snipped one side ?

 

[mandyjohnuk]

@Greenberg ... As far as the conversion ... I'm being told you have to piece together attachments to fit the regulator and then connect the hose if it need be plastic... do you have any pictures to share of this finished product? ... and what would happen if one were to use a standard hose and snipped one side ?

 

[LastTime]

Just look up non rebreather medical mask and look at the tubing.

@mandyjohnuk okay, yes. I thought that was the desired feel we were going for with the plastic tubing period ... but it seems the problem is the thinness of it still ... the regulator I have (because I couldn't get one with the low pressure needed quickly) is apparently to use the gas as a TORCH so it would push the air out "harder" and blow the tubing off ... I'm kind of stuck with this regulator ... Tired Horse made everything sound so easy ... what would happen if we use a regular hose and snipped the end going into the bag?