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3/4Dead

3/4Dead

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When I am planning to commit suicide, is it unethical to date? is it unethical to make new friends?

This very specifically - in my case at least - applies to a partner or a friend who knows, im willing to talk openly about it, answer questions etc. etc. but i am not willing to cancel the date, nor move it, nor am i seeking some kind of solution in this person. Let's say this individual is fine with all of this, knows I am living on limited time, and still wants to be with me.

If I care deeply for this person too, is it an awful thing of me to do to be with them? Is it wrong of me to want something good for a little while? I don't mean that as a loaded question, I just mean to offer ideas.

I don't know who to ask.

I'm struggling with this now because I've seen other people on here pose similar questions. IDK how much traction this post will get but partly selfishly id like to hear what other peoples thoughts on this would be.
 
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hardcorebisnis

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TBH i've only had dumb little impulsive attempts, nothing ever seriously planned out, once i thought i'd bought SN but turns out it was nitrATE when i looked at it 2 years later lol (also an impulsive purchase when i was younger so maybe tht's why i never noticed) but whenever i think i'm at risk of doing something stupid i always break up with my boyfriends quite abruptly.

I don't know why i think it'll make much of a difference, because if i was to attempt relatively soon after they'd probably feel massively affected by it but in my head (well i lack emotional permanence) i think by breaking up with them they no longer care for me?
Recently I've been feeling awfully hopeless, pretty sure i've successfully found DMC and i'll buy next month when i can afford it but i've already started distancing myself from friends, if i had someone that i felt i could i share these feelings with, well i don't think i'd be feeling this way since my desire to CTB is mainly feeling alienated from people and without connections i'll never be able to achieve what i want.

I do try and this is honestly the last thing i'd want because i've seen how death of friends has affected this one dear friend of mine, and i'd hate to be contributing to that on purpose but i feel as though realistically, my situation won't get better.

sorry if this is all over the place
 
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Grown up people make their own decision when they enter a relationship. Suicidal or not any relationship comes with the risk of loosing that person. Be it due to death or other reasons. If they cant handle that then they should maybe not have relationships. Just dont get someone pregnant at this stage.
 
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these are just my opinions for myself: i'm of the opinion friendship is fine to maintain, questionable to form new ones that go beyond shallow acquaintanceship though. romantic relationships are an absolute no. sexual relationships are morally okay.

just basic math of least harm caused imo.

if i can commit fully to recovery and not waffle about it, that's when i would consider new friendships.

i don't think it's morally acceptable for me to date at any point if i'm being frank, even without the suicidal ideation. i'm very broken inside and i have such low self esteem that i get paranoia that everyone secretly hates me. and when i get paranoid i get angry and lash out at people like "i KNOW you secretly hate me and you've been laughing at me and using me this entire time don't lie!!!" and it just becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. i don't know that i'll ever heal that part of me even if i change the suicidal part.

i do wish more suicidal people would take this question into consideration, though. and i'll admit this is a little bit of me clawing at the other crabs in the bucket, but the thought that by isolating myself and being lonely, i'm doing a good thing, and making myself feel better by clinging to that belief, that everyone should suffer like this. i'm also honestly just jealous of people who just don't care about that and will form relationships willy nilly, i suppose, while my overthinking self will stay lonely forever.
 
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TBH i've only had dumb little impulsive attempts, nothing ever seriously planned out, once i thought i'd bought SN but turns out it was nitrATE when i looked at it 2 years later lol (also an impulsive purchase when i was younger so maybe tht's why i never noticed) but whenever i think i'm at risk of doing something stupid i always break up with my boyfriends quite abruptly.

I don't know why i think it'll make much of a difference, because if i was to attempt relatively soon after they'd probably feel massively affected by it but in my head (well i lack emotional permanence) i think by breaking up with them they no longer care for me?
Recently I've been feeling awfully hopeless, pretty sure i've successfully found DMC and i'll buy next month when i can afford it but i've already started distancing myself from friends, if i had someone that i felt i could i share these feelings with, well i don't think i'd be feeling this way since my desire to CTB is mainly feeling alienated from people and without connections i'll never be able to achieve what i want.

I do try and this is honestly the last thing i'd want because i've seen how death of friends has affected this one dear friend of mine, and i'd hate to be contributing to that on purpose but i feel as though realistically, my situation won't get better.

sorry if this is all over the place

Nah, not all over the place, i follow. that makes sense, you're distancing yourself but as you said it probably only changes so much.

Grown up people make their own decision when they enter a relationship. Suicidal or not any relationship comes with the risk of loosing that person. Be it due to death or other reasons. If they cant handle that then they should maybe not have relationships. Just dont get someone pregnant at this stage.

Sometimes when it comes to considering things like how my being suicidal impacts others I think i forget to consider their individual autonomy.
I'd hope not to get anyone pregnant lmao but I agree that would be quite the setback

these are just my opinions for myself: i'm of the opinion friendship is fine to maintain, questionable to form new ones that go beyond shallow acquaintanceship though. romantic relationships are an absolute no. sexual relationships are morally okay.

just basic math of least harm caused imo.

if i can commit fully to recovery and not waffle about it, that's when i would consider new friendships.

i don't think it's morally acceptable for me to date at any point if i'm being frank, even without the suicidal ideation. i'm very broken inside and i have such low self esteem that i get paranoia that everyone secretly hates me. and when i get paranoid i get angry and lash out at people like "i KNOW you secretly hate me and you've been laughing at me and using me this entire time don't lie!!!" and it just becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. i don't know that i'll ever heal that part of me even if i change the suicidal part.

i do wish more suicidal people would take this question into consideration, though. and i'll admit this is a little bit of me clawing at the other crabs in the bucket, but the thought that by isolating myself and being lonely, i'm doing a good thing, and making myself feel better by clinging to that belief, that everyone should suffer like this. i'm also honestly just jealous of people who just don't care about that and will form relationships willy nilly, i suppose, while my overthinking self will stay lonely forever.

That's a fair enough way to look at it I think.
I similarly swore off dating because I feel I'm too insecure and annoying - im not aggresive or anything, just a total buzzkill. and I know (or ig i think i know) people are hesitant to say anything because im also just very fucked up and sad and its hard to tell the guy who youve been watching struggle to live that he asks for reassurence too often, or talks too much.

I also wish more people wold think about it, again kinda selfishly because i wanna know what other people have to say, and i hope some more people respond too. regardless, yeah i almost feel like im doing something justifiable and righteous when I stop people from getting too close to me, yknow.


thank you all for your replies so far =]
 
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L'absent

L'absent

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When I am planning to commit suicide, is it unethical to date? is it unethical to make new friends?

This very specifically - in my case at least - applies to a partner or a friend who knows, im willing to talk openly about it, answer questions etc. etc. but i am not willing to cancel the date, nor move it, nor am i seeking some kind of solution in this person. Let's say this individual is fine with all of this, knows I am living on limited time, and still wants to be with me.

If I care deeply for this person too, is it an awful thing of me to do to be with them? Is it wrong of me to want something good for a little while? I don't mean that as a loaded question, I just mean to offer ideas.

I don't know who to ask.

I'm struggling with this now because I've seen other people on here pose similar questions. IDK how much traction this post will get but partly selfishly id like to hear what other peoples thoughts on this would be.
I don't believe this question can be addressed in terms of "morality" or "ethics," at least not as if these were objective and universal entities. These concepts are nothing more than human constructs, artifices of the collective mind designed to harness the chaos of existence into codified rules, social conventions, and shared narratives. Morality, in particular, is a convenient fiction created to ensure group cohesion, a tacit agreement that facilitates communal living, but it has no intrinsic reality or absolute value. To speak of morality as if it were an objective truth is, in my view, absurd—a hollow claim that crumbles under even the slightest critical scrutiny.
Morality changes over time, across cultures, and even from person to person. What is considered "immoral" today might have been perfectly acceptable in another historical context, and vice versa. Human societies have justified wars, slavery, genocide, and other atrocities in the name of moral codes that, when viewed from a different perspective, reveal themselves to be arbitrary constructs. Even what we call ethics, often seen as a more rational or universal discipline, is nothing more than an extension of this same relativism: a set of rules devised to rationalize behaviors and choices within a specific context.
To claim that morality or ethics are objective is akin to believing in metaphysical entities that hover above us, dictating the rules of human behavior. But there is nothing transcendent about these concepts. They arise from the human need for order, the attempt to make sense of chaos, but they are, ultimately, tools of control. Morality is nothing more than a distorting lens through which we interpret the world, a language that pretends to be universal but is always contingent, personal, and shaped by circumstances.
In the specific case presented, asking whether it is moral or immoral to form a relationship knowing that time is limited is, in my opinion, asking the wrong question. There is no moral or ethical code that can provide a valid answer. Any judgment on the matter is simply a reflection of the biases, beliefs, and mental constructions of the person making it.
If the individual in question desires to experience a moment of joy or connection, even if temporary, and if the other person accepts this reality with full awareness, then there is nothing to condemn. There is no universal ethical tribunal that can rule against the human desire to find meaning, however fleeting. Ethics, like morality, is merely a futile attempt to codify the infinite complexity of existence into rigid, prepackaged rules.
The question, then, is not whether it is moral or immoral, ethical or unethical, but rather: what does this mean for the people involved? What is the subjective value they attribute to this experience? Attempting to categorize life into moral or ethical frameworks only diminishes its richness, ignoring the fact that every decision, every relationship, is a unique, unrepeatable event entirely dependent on circumstances.
Ultimately, morality and ethics are nothing but masks we wear to give an appearance of order to the inherent disorder of our existence. Looking beyond these masks allows us to see things for what they truly are: choices, desires, needs—entirely subjective and free of universal judgment. In this case, there is nothing "right" or "wrong"; there is only the human desire to find a fragment of meaning in a world that, by its very nature, lacks it.
 
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I'm personally actively avoiding new connections because all I do is make people hate me, and I don't want them to get attached. I want to go by the end of the month
 
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I don't believe this question can be addressed in terms of "morality" or "ethics," at least not as if these were objective and universal entities. These concepts are nothing more than human constructs, artifices of the collective mind designed to harness the chaos of existence into codified rules, social conventions, and shared narratives. Morality, in particular, is a convenient fiction created to ensure group cohesion, a tacit agreement that facilitates communal living, but it has no intrinsic reality or absolute value. To speak of morality as if it were an objective truth is, in my view, absurd—a hollow claim that crumbles under even the slightest critical scrutiny.

Morality changes over time, across cultures, and even from person to person. What is considered "immoral" today might have been perfectly acceptable in another historical context, and vice versa. Human societies have justified wars, slavery, genocide, and other atrocities in the name of moral codes that, when viewed from a different perspective, reveal themselves to be arbitrary constructs. Even what we call ethics, often seen as a more rational or universal discipline, is nothing more than an extension of this same relativism: a set of rules devised to rationalize behaviors and choices within a specific context.

To claim that morality or ethics are objective is akin to believing in metaphysical entities that hover above us, dictating the rules of human behavior. But there is nothing transcendent about these concepts. They arise from the human need for order, the attempt to make sense of chaos, but they are, ultimately, tools of control. Morality is nothing more than a distorting lens through which we interpret the world, a language that pretends to be universal but is always contingent, personal, and shaped by circumstances.

In the specific case presented, asking whether it is moral or immoral to form a relationship knowing that time is limited is, in my opinion, asking the wrong question. There is no moral or ethical code that can provide a valid answer. Any judgment on the matter is simply a reflection of the biases, beliefs, and mental constructions of the person making it.

If the individual in question desires to experience a moment of joy or connection, even if temporary, and if the other person accepts this reality with full awareness, then there is nothing to condemn. There is no universal ethical tribunal that can rule against the human desire to find meaning, however fleeting. Ethics, like morality, is merely a futile attempt to codify the infinite complexity of existence into rigid, prepackaged rules.

The question, then, is not whether it is moral or immoral, ethical or unethical, but rather: what does this mean for the people involved? What is the subjective value they attribute to this experience? Attempting to categorize life into moral or ethical frameworks only diminishes its richness, ignoring the fact that every decision, every relationship, is a unique, unrepeatable event entirely dependent on circumstances.

Ultimately, morality and ethics are nothing but masks we wear to give an appearance of order to the inherent disorder of our existence. Looking beyond these masks allows us to see things for what they truly are: choices, desires, needs—entirely subjective and free of universal judgment. In this case, there is nothing "right" or "wrong"; there is only the human desire to find a fragment of meaning in a world that, by its very nature, lacks it.

I'm intruiged by both your stance on ehtics and my question. As far as morality goes, everything ever is technically subjective if you want to truly go tit for tat here. Most things we do as humans are social constructs which we build for the purpose of coexisting with other people. While it is true that mores fluctuate between cultures and time does that mean we simply choose not to care how out actions impact those around us?

a set of rules devised to rationalize behaviors and choices within a specific context
What isn't? Traffic rules carry this kind of relativism. Social customs carry this relativism. Family norms (all norms really) carry this relativism. Do we choose to stop trying to be good people because its what we as a collective decide is bad? Everything is realative. Everything. I don't think it matters.

They arise from the human need for order, the attempt to make sense of chaos,
This I agree with.
but they are, ultimately, tools of control. Morality is nothing more than a distorting lens through which we interpret the world, a language that pretends to be universal but is always contingent, personal, and shaped by circumstances.
This I do not. I think I've kinda hit this point already but just because something is flexible or subjective doesn't mean we stop trying or caring. I also think almost all people agree that morality and ethics are subjective.

Jumping ahead a little bit to add that I liked this bit
There is no universal ethical tribunal that can rule against the human desire to find meaning, however fleeting. Ethics, like morality, is merely a futile attempt to codify the infinite complexity of existence into rigid, prepackaged rules.

Any judgment on the matter is simply a reflection of the biases, beliefs, and mental constructions of the person making it.
What isn't 🤷 /lh We're a collection of our experiences. This is inevitable. The way I make my bed in the morning is a reflection of my biases, beliefs, and mental constructons. I believe a bed should be made with with the top of the blanket folded for easy access to the rest of the bed.

The question, then, is not whether it is moral or immoral, ethical or unethical, but rather: what does this mean for the people involved? What is the subjective value they attribute to this experience? Attempting to categorize life into moral or ethical frameworks only diminishes its richness, ignoring the fact that every decision, every relationship, is a unique, unrepeatable event entirely dependent on circumstances.

This is a cool thought. hadn't thought about some of this.

Your reply is a great read! I'm genuinely a philosophy major this is my favorite thing. I hope that in being blunt as I somtimes can be I do not sound like a dickhead lmfao. Thanks for your response!

I'm personally actively avoiding new connections because all I do is make people hate me, and I don't want them to get attached. I want to go by the end of the month

I kind of have the opposite affect- I try to make people hate me so theyll leave me alone and not get too attached and it does not work they just wind up feeling sorry for me lmfao. end of the month is soon! wishing you peace with whatever you should do. Thank you for your reply.
 
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I'm also struggling with this because I recently hooked up with an ex. He knows it was just sex and not us getting back together (he was also the one who ended things), but I still feel really guilty about it. I personally think it would be best to cool off from all forms of relationships, but at the same time, I don't want his final memories of me to be me shutting down emotionally and pushing him away. I'm also aware that there's nothing that really takes away the pain of losing someone close to you.

I do think that pursuing romantic relationships at this time would be morally wrong of me though. I might not be able to do anything to lessen someone's pain after the fact, but there's also no reason to intensify it either.
 
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