Does God forgive suicide?

[Shorine]

Personally, I am terrified about the idea that if one commits suicide, they will go to hell. I do not know why one would go to hell after they suffered so much on Earth though. It seems really unreasonable and unfair that only more pain awaits after death. But still, the question remains if God would forgive people like me.

 

[fisil]

I think baby Jesus does and that's great

 

[Severen]

If he is the kind of god that lets people go to hell for committing suicide, he will probably let everyone burn in hell, anyway just for entertainment purposes.

 

[Darkhaven]

I reckon He doesn't.
Thou shall not kill... or something.
If you kill yourself tecnhically that's taking a live, so its one of the worst sins you can commit if you believe in that sort of thing.
However don't believe in such things as Hell/Heaven. Even the bible provides proof that there s no such things as hell: Ecclesiastes 9:10; Romans 6:7; Deuteronomy 32:4; Genesis 3:19.
Death is a permanent state of unconsciousness you cannot wake up from.
Now that's one of thousands of interpretations of the bible adding to the uncountable number of different religions so believe in which one you think is the most corredocorrectn't worry too much about it.

 

[CelestialSky]

I honestly believe that if God is real, and can see our true hearts, He knows that we did this because of deep, deep suffering. I would like to hope that He would understand our reasons for wanting to end our lives, and therefore forgive us because He knows we can't bear the pain anymore. That's what I hope to be true. Although I can imagine the pain we leave behind to ones who care about us, that may be enough to send us to hell. But I hope not.

 

[Walilamdzi]

I don't believe in those things.

 

[not_a_robot]

Personally, I am terrified about the idea that if one commits suicide, they will go to hell. I do not know why one would go to hell after they suffered so much on Earth though. It seems really unreasonable and unfair that only more pain awaits after death. But still, the question remains if God would forgive people like me.

God can kiss my fat pink ass.
I'm much more concerned with whether the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny, and Harry Potter will forgive me.

(if a compassionate god actually existed, I'm sure it would forgive you.)

 

[Severen]

God can kiss my fat pink ass.
Have you read the Bible? it's stupid. That god is a petty spiteful asshole.
Fuck God.

Well in some parts, he is a asshole and in some parts, he is the opposite. It makes no sense... It's like what is happening to the Star Wars universe right now. J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson, just changing everything to fit into their vision. And even Star Wars can teach you more about life than the bible...

 

[Circles]

Personally, I am terrified about the idea that if one commits suicide, they will go to hell. I do not know why one would go to hell after they suffered so much on Earth though. It seems really unreasonable and unfair that only more pain awaits after death. But still, the question remains if God would forgive people like me.

Hell is just an added bonus to keep people stuck and scared in an already manipulative doctrine. Eternal damnation for already feeling like we were in hell in this life already? If a deity is that much of a piece of shit then it ain't worth following or worshipping period imo.

 

[not_a_robot]

Well in some parts, he is a asshole and in some parts, he is the opposite. It makes no sense... It's like what is happening to the Star Wars universe right now. J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson, just changing everything to fit into their vision.

I edited a minute later because I didn't want to hurt OPs feelings. I'm an insensitive bastard.

 

[Severen]

I edited a minute later because I didn't want to hurt OPs feelings. I'm an insensitive bastard.

Yeah, same here. It's kind of hard NOT to be an insensitive bastard though. The world tries very hard to make you one.

 

[Shamana]

If I were to believe in God, I would expect to have mercy on people who commit suicide, because they are unable to tolerate the suffering they are enduring.

I'm a buddhist and unfortunately suicide can lead to rebirth in hell realms. Hells in buddhism are not eternal, but you get there by own negative karma, such as killing. The karma for killing oneself in buddhism is the same as killing another.

My buddhist teacer said that in best case scenario people who commit suicide are reborn as in animal.

There are also buddhist teachings saying that if you commit suicide, you will commit suicide again in hundreds of lives.

 

[Severen]

Hell is just an added bonus to keep people stuck and scared in an already manipulative doctrine. Eternal damnation for already feeling like we were in hell in this life already? If a deity is that much of a piece of shit then it ain't worth following or worshipping period imo.

The perfect hell is the one we are living in... So worst case scenario, going to hell is just being reincarnated.

 

[Circles]

If god knows everything then it could atleast know and comprehend how bad we felt. At the very least a god should be understanding with its creations, but alas just because I think it should be doesn't mean he/it is.

 

[PatKat]

"They say God is real, I disagree
'Cause if that were true, then we'd all be free, all be free (yah, yah)"

 

[SadGirl]

I believe that God does not exist, or if it exists, it is not the way religions say it. I believe that when we die anyway, we only sleep forever. But there are always spiritual situations that others believe, but there it is from you. For me, science is the only truth.

 

[KnightOfEnceladus]

@Shorine: don't fear the God or Hell of the Abrahamic religions. The idea of eschatology, hell itself, and the end of the world/battle of armageddon was introduced into Judaism during the Babylonian Exile; it's Zoroastrianism all the way down (up?) from then on. The Hebrews had no concept of heaven or hell before then; like the Ancient Near-East peoples they descended/split off from, they believed everyone went to a common grave, "Sheol," no matter who they were or what they did. It was Persian influence during the Exile and later Greek religious thought that twisted the religion's thinking, which got passed down to Christianity and Islam.

@Shamana: that's not necessarily true either. I am not a Buddhist and believe I know otherwise based on experience, but even Buddha himself is said to have told people not to believe what offends their conscience. There is an unfortunate amount of superstition and control among Buddhism, an order of magnitude worse than Christianity because of how much older it is.
Besides which, no finite being with finite powers and a finite reach can commit infinite crimes in finite time. The idea of endless torment for crimes which end is a monstrous blasphemy, if you ask me.

 

[Severen]

@Shorine: don't fear the God or Hell of the Abrahamic religions. The idea of eschatology, hell itself, and the end of the world/battle of armageddon was introduced into Judaism during the Babylonian Exile; it's Zoroastrianism all the way down (up?) from then on. The Hebrews had no concept of heaven or hell before then; like the Ancient Near-East peoples they descended/split off from, they believed everyone went to a common grave, "Sheol," no matter who they were or what they did. It was Persian influence during the Exile and later Greek religious thought that twisted the religion's thinking, which got passed down to Christianity and Islam.

@Shamana: that's not necessarily true either. I am not a Buddhist and believe I know otherwise based on experience, but even Buddha himself is said to have told people not to believe what offends their conscience. There is an unfortunate amount of superstition and control among Buddhism, an order of magnitude worse than Christianity because of how much older it is.
Besides which, no finite being with finite powers and a finite reach can commit infinite crimes in finite time. The idea of endless torment for crimes which end is a monstrous blasphemy, if you ask me.

If you do a lot of research, you can see that most of the bible is just stuff that has been taken from other previous religions. It's like a bunch of powerful people are like "We need to create a religion as quickly as possible." and then slapped some stuff together and voila.

 

[throwaway777]

if god really existed , it would be curious to see if we would forgive him instead ..

 

[Trainstation]

In my opinion god is an idiot\moron

 

[Alchemist]

Gods are just fiction created by primitive people and hell isn't real either, so no need to worry.

 

[Shamana]

@Shorine: don't fear the God or Hell of the Abrahamic religions. The idea of eschatology, hell itself, and the end of the world/battle of armageddon was introduced into Judaism during the Babylonian Exile; it's Zoroastrianism all the way down (up?) from then on. The Hebrews had no concept of heaven or hell before then; like the Ancient Near-East peoples they descended/split off from, they believed everyone went to a common grave, "Sheol," no matter who they were or what they did. It was Persian influence during the Exile and later Greek religious thought that twisted the religion's thinking, which got passed down to Christianity and Islam.

@Shamana: that's not necessarily true either. I am not a Buddhist and believe I know otherwise based on experience, but even Buddha himself is said to have told people not to believe what offends their conscience. There is an unfortunate amount of superstition and control among Buddhism, an order of magnitude worse than Christianity because of how much older it is.
Besides which, no finite being with finite powers and a finite reach can commit infinite crimes in finite time. The idea of endless torment for crimes which end is a monstrous blasphemy, if you ask me.

I'm simply repeating the words of the buddha and buddhist scriptures. Also the teachers I have consulted on this is issue are the most qualified in the western world. I am not saying that this it the way it is, I'm saying that is what buddhism teaches. Geniuenly enlightened teachers can see what happens to people's souls after death, and my teacher whom I consider the best in the western world asked his teacher(who was the most enlightened in Tibet) and teachers whether people commit suicide got what they were looking for and the answer was always no.

I would much rather believe that it's lights out when we die or heaven, even if we suicide, but it's not what I belive, which really sucks because my life has become a personal nightmare and would love it to end.

 

[deathenvoy]

There are also buddhist teachings saying that if you commit suicide, you will commit suicide again in hundreds of lives.

So maybe 99 incarnations before I committed suicide and in this life I will CTB for last time :D Or at least I will be closer to the end of suicide cycle.

 

[KnightOfEnceladus]

@Shamana, mediums and other spiritual practitioners outside Buddhism have said otherwise. I'm sorry, but based on the totality of evidence I have to say the teachers aren't entirely right on this; and this is coming from someone who has a deep respect for and fascination with Buddhism and reads the (English translated) Bardo Thodol. It just doesn't seem to be the case based on what I personally have researched and witnessed.

 

[Alois22]

I feel the same, I'm awfully religious and it's very conflicting

 

[Kikoo Loool]

Does God exist?

If he does, he would forgive everything.

 

[KnightOfEnceladus]

@WideAwake: no, no, think harder: awareness, existence, etc, are the prerequisites for suffering. That is not a gift. That is, at best, an unwanted imposition; more realistically, it is a willful decision to cause sentient beings to suffer.

 

[bluesky1972-2019]

All written bibles, scriptures, or whatever you choose to call them are written by human beings on earth. They the "teachers" or Holy men" know no more than anyone else. They choose to write what they believe or what they have read and preach to others.
I could set up my own religion tomorrow and preach what I want and that would be as true as any other religion.
Nobody truly knows what happens after we die or where we came from. All I know is I was born in 1972 and I will probably go back to where I came from before that time.
The world, galaxy, universe has been around for millions of years. Far longer than any religion made up by man!

 

[WideAwake]

@WideAwake: no, no, think harder: awareness, existence, etc, are the prerequisites for suffering. That is not a gift. That is, at best, an unwanted imposition; more realistically, it is a willful decision to cause sentient beings to suffer.

I fully disagree. A life without suffering would be hell. If we were given everything we ever wanted and didn't know suffering, we'd have nothing with which to contrast happiness or even contentedness. To know suffering is, in and of itself, a gift. Which is why when I'm told that Heaven is eternal blissfulness, I feel like that is not somewhere I want to go.

 

[Shamana]

@Shamana, mediums and other spiritual practitioners outside Buddhism have said otherwise. I'm sorry, but based on the totality of evidence I have to say the teachers aren't entirely right on this; and this is coming from someone who has a deep respect for and fascination with Buddhism and reads the (English translated) Bardo Thodol. It just doesn't seem to be the case based on what I personally have researched and witnessed.

You are free to believe in trust in whatever or whomever you know that you consider be authorities on this. As a buddhist I take refuge in buddha and his teachings in showing the way. I have a close relationship with teachers and practioners I consider real life enlightened masters and I believe only enlightened being are free from delusion. They all consider suicide to be hugely deluded act in the sense that it is delusional to believe that killing your body will bring peace.

If you are an Arhat meaning that your mind is liberated from samsara thus free from all afflictions such as ignorance, hatred, desire etc. Then you can freely kill your body without any negative consequenses.