Discussion Do you think life is a ''gift''? Why/ why not

[Xocoyotziin]

It's an imposition, first and foremost. I'm not going to lie and try to be hypercynical about it, sometimes there are gifts IN life that probably can't be found elsewhere. Does this justify the massive level of suffering that occurs on a secondly basis? You'll have to ask those who are suffering from what's happening to them, but I think no.
I'm extremely grateful for the cool things I have experienced, but I can't forget the fuel it runs on.

 

[Shiv15]

How do you know they like to get gifts?

Well, they tell you that. No one works for free. Even the beings of light with power beyond our comprehension.
You may ask, what do you I mean by "they tell you that". Communication with spirits and beings is possible but requires lots of meditation and being in control of your trance state. I don't want to go into further detail with this stuff.

Why call them "cunts" if you give them gifts?

Cunts as in, I am not fond if angels. There is a whole breed of angels that are "cunts". I won't mention you the name of the breed. (I know saying breed is offensive but you need to understand that I had higher expectations from "beings of light". I though of angels as friends and definition of greatness. But this expectation was not reality. which makes me very sad)

And i will work with angels who are nice and kind. Not angels who are easily provoked..

But I won't call them cunts or think about a angel negetively when dealing with them as I will always have some state of fear in me to show respect and a sign of obedience. Though angels aren't as nice. But there are some really nice and kind angels. Some saved my ass out of a shithole I was in. I will forever be grateful to them. But the word "cunts" was for some some angels. Not all. I bow down to the beings of light. (Please don't mention me using the word anymore. I kinda feel shit for saying that. I was a bit moody yesterday and regret using the word)

What makes you call them that?

I compare angels as a whole with my hindu Gods. And in comparison I was disappointed by how unsympathetic they are. For me, my hindu Gods are always at the top because of there kindness and love. But every being is different. There are some demons who are extremely strong and kind. Very forgiving and merciful while some angels are horrible.

If they are cunts why call them angels?

I don't think you understand what a demon and what a angel is.
Demon is a being who resides in hell.
Angel is a being who resides in heaven.

Now you may, why are angels in heaven if they are "cunts".
My answer to that:
Because they are provoked to attack people. If not provoked and dealt with accordingly they are ok and do not hurt. But some angels can be provoked very easily. And as a whole, they aren't as nice or sympathetic when compared to hindu gods.

But I will be honest with you.
I am wrong to call the angels cunts. Some hindu gods are cunts. some angels are cunts. It all depends. But I had higher expectation from hindu gods and my experince with angels has been a bit negative when compared to hindu gods.


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This is important:

My experience is based on my interactions with these beings. Yes I have interacted with spirits. But i don't want to talk about it. Sorry.

 

[Meditation guide]

Cunts as in, I am not fond if angels. There is a whole breed of angels that are "cunts". I won't mention you the name of the breed. (I know saying breed is offensive but you need to understand that I had higher expectations from "beings of light"

Those are not angels. They are demons who want you to think of them as high beings. They lie. A lot. Usually it's not hard to tell a demon from a higher being by the way they talk. It's mostly what we get here on this lower level.

 

[Shiv15]

Those are not angels. They are demons who want you to think of them as high beings. They lie. A lot.

No these are angels. There are ways for an angel to prove if they really are who they say they are. There is a whole theory and process for such interactions.
Yes demons may lie about being a spirit of light if a demon happens to pass through when you are calling upon an angel.

But you don't know much about the spiritual world.

Those are not angels. They are demons who want you to think of them as high beings. They lie. A lot. Usually it's not hard to tell a demon from a higher being by the way they talk. It's mostly what we get here on this lower level.

And also, if you ask the so called "angel" to sign there name and they refuse to do so, you banish, as it's an imposter spirit.

I will repeat this, you DO NOT know about the spiritual world.

 

[Meditation guide]

Yes demons many lie about being spirits of light.

Demons have a way of talking that is sort of humorous in a cynical way. It also encourages people to die sometimes. It also uses a lot of slang expressions. I don't know if you have slang in your country but demons love to have slang such as saying "shooting blanks" when describing a male I know who had a vasectomy. I had never heard of that expression before and had to look up the meaning, which means no sperm, such as after a vasectomy. They LOVE these expressions. They express hate quite a bit, they can't help it. Hate and dying are frequent topics they like.

I would like to hear how angels prove who they are. I'm surprised angels like gifts. I thought they would be above that kind of thing.

 

[Shiv15]

I would like to hear how angels prove who they are. I'm surprised angels like gifts. I thought they would be above that kind of thing.

Didn't see this before. so here is my response..

The reason they prove is for us. They help us out by proving who they are.
They realise how dangerous the spiritual world is and the mere art of calling the angels and speaking to them imposes lots of threats and dangers to us.

They do it for us.

Demons have a way of talking that is sort of humorous in a cynical way. It also encourages people to die sometimes. It also uses a lot of slang expressions. I don't know if you have slang in your country but demons love to have slang such as saying "shooting blanks" when describing a male I know who had a vasectomy. I had never heard of that expression before and had to look up the meaning, which means no sperm, such as after a vasectomy. They LOVE these expressions. They express hate quite a bit, they can't help it. Hate and dying are frequent topics they like.

I would like to hear how angels prove who they are. I'm surprised angels like gifts. I thought they would be above that kind of thing.

Shit sorry. M very tired. I can't read today lol.

Angels like gifts. everyone does. They aren't above those things. IT shows appreciation. They like poems too. But christians and westerners do not generally under this concept because you guys aren't into worshipping other entities other than the GOD.

Hindus for example will understand what I'm saying. Budhists too.

You guys do not understand the concept of offerings. Hindus and Budhists give offerings to the beings they worship regularly.

 

[ERASED]

no they don't. You have the choice whether you want to part of it. You don't decide what's right for others. You're not god
So in my opinion it's a gift I threw away. Sick of people whining "I didn't ask for this" No I didn't ask for a lot of things , they weren't all bad. If they were why? I either made them bad or other people did. People have definitely got worse. Think the whole fucking universe revolves around them, think everything is someone else's fault. So yeah I have problems with life but it's not life itself it's what we've done with it, what I've done with it.

Sorry but i was molested as a child and abused so yeah i fucking hate life.

 

[Nymph]

I don't think it's a gift, it's a commitment. If we were actually given an option to have a life or not I'd think of it more as a pet. You get a pet and now it's your responsibility to make it happy. But I can't make life happy, life is never happy. Life wants to die

 

[Wisdom3_1-9]

Well personally, my experience with Christians has led me to believe that they no only believe in the gift of free will to be from God but also he is the all knowing and kind. In the spiritual community, I once warned a christian lady that some of her actions may lead to negetive spiritual consequences, her response was that "God will save me". And this is the psychology and view of most christians I have come across. "God will save me".

Your experience may have been different, but to be honest I don't understand why our perception about the christians would be different.

My experience with many Christians is that many of them don't understand Christianity. Gandhi was once reported to have said, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

But you've also got all the suffering not due to free will like natural disasters etc.
And all the animal suffering, which is also not part of the free will scheme (although some humans use their free will to cause animal suffering, a different issue).

Ultimately, I think that the payoff of having free will is of less value than the price you actually have to pay for it.

Surely God could intervene sometimes, to alleviate some suffering.
He could occasionally rearrange particles and molecules to help people without trespassing on free will too much.
I'm sure a lot of people would be very grateful if he did, and they wouldn't be too upset about minor infringements on their free will.

I very much suspect it's because there is no God.

This is a very good point to which I have no valid counterpoint. Some Christians would cling to scripture and say that it is just beyond human understanding. "God's ways are not our ways. God's thoughts are not our thoughts." Or that things happen for a reason. I don't really believe that, so I won't go down that road.

 

[Journeytoletgo]

It's about ones quality of life. Life isn't a gift under man made system capitalism with looks/genes determining your social factors. I want to end myself because I'm not pretty and I'm not sociable I'm traumatized and I'm miserable a bad combination

 

[FuneralCry]

I do not think life is a gift. More like a curse. I appreciate that life can be good to some people as it is all based on luck. However I think it would be better to never be born in the first place. Just being born, means there is a unlimited potential for suffering. There is no limit as to how bad it can get. I see a right to die as important and having that would make up for all the pain this life gives us in a way.

 

[motel rooms]

 

[PaxAmerica]

For some life is a gift but for others it is a burden. Not everyones experience is the same.

 

[Makko]

In Nordic languages "gift" means "poison". Hmm.

 

[All Things Must Pass]

Just how many gifs do you have?

 

[motel rooms]

Just how many gifs do you have?

I just use the GIF search feature when I reply

 

[WOODESITY]

I think life is gift to the creators, by gift i think those who say that means that it's something to be appreciated, privilege, good thing

 

[MiseryWithoutCompany]

Life is not a gift. It didn't come with a gift receipt. :(

Life feels more like happenstance, that while, yes, we are unique and one-of-a-kind, we're also a string of concidences that played out in some random order. It's likely a man-made concept, as most animals I don't think really show much resistance to *another* animal CTB. (see: dolphins and stuff...?)

 

[filthyrottendirty]

I never understood that saying. Sometimes life sucks and people only experience pain and suffering and nothing good in their lives. There is potential but for a lot of people it never gets better. Not everyone's life is a gift.

 

[insanedoomer]

Hello, I have always heard that life is a ''gift''. I am always confused when someone says that to me. As my situation was far from a ''gift''. This ''gift'' is the reason why I want to ctb.

I'm curious to hear what you guys think.

Thanks for reading.

not all the gifts are likable .
YEAH SAME HERE .

 

[VicMackey]

Hello, I have always heard that life is a ''gift''. I am always confused when someone says that to me. As my situation was far from a ''gift''. This ''gift'' is the reason why I want to ctb.

I'm curious to hear what you guys think.

Thanks for reading.

I believe life is a gift, but..........

Not everyone gets a fair shot. We don't all start at the begining as equals with the same opportunities. Life then turns into dog eat dog. If someone can better themselves by fucking you over, for the fun of it, etc., they do it.

Some people win some lose. We come into this world with nothing and alone and we leave alone and with nothing.

The gift of life gets stolen from us by this cruel world during our time here.

 

[lugerepair]

I guess it depends on what you mean by "gift". If you mean it in a positive sense, like "being brought into existence is a good thing", then no, clearly not. If you mean it in the sense of "something someone gives to you", then.....then no, you weren't around to be given anything, and by the time you were, the thing in question had already been given. So I guess that no matter how you cut it, it's not a gift. As for why being brought into existence isn't a good thing, that's a matter of mere observation. Look around you. Peruse this forum. Think about all the suffering that goes on in the animal world, and the human world. Sure, there are also good things, but do they outweigh the bad? For a privileged few, perhaps. But for the rest of us, fuck no. Life is a prison, and for some the prison is a lot nicer than for others, but at the end of the day it still is a prison.

 

[Misfit72]

Yes, an unsolicited one, and the bad outweighs the good.

 

[cloudgazer26]

My gift of life was destroyed when I was by a friends dad. So that whole gift of life thing, life is precious thing went in the garbage when that happened

 

[Dear Agony]

No, because I never asked for it. I never asked to go through all this pain. I don't care there is happiness, or good moments. I would rather not have been born in the first place.

 

[ncmxm]

A gift is supposed to be something nice and something you want no? So no it's not a gift